[Fedoras of Salvation] - White Knights ITT

[Lightning_Dolt]

My Abzan box had a Jeskai seeded booster.

[Mcdonalds]

Green, isn't green like half of everything you hate in magic?

[Self Medicated]

Alex is gone, yay.

http://youtu.be/Pqfxzj7tFB8

WHAT THE FUCK DID I JUST WATCH AND WHY ARE MY EYES BLEEDING?

[zemanjaski]

Lucky Star is fine in very small doses.

[Dechs Kaison]

Lucky Star is perfectly fine when done safely.

[zemanjaski]

Pretty much. It gets mind numbing pretty fast but it's good for a chuckle now and then.

[zemanjaski]

Anyone seen No Game No Life?

[Jamie]

I don't feel like soulfireduder or monestary mentdude are good enough to main in uwr burn but I don't want to lose the week1 arms race on frf release

[Jamie]

at the same time blaklanner's list looks good and it uses all the good new cards

[zemanjaski]

UWR burn isnt a good deck, perhaps that is the problem.

[zemanjaski]

Now tell me it won a GP.

[Jamie]

yeah well uw heroic is a cheap deck. no honor

[zemanjaski]

OK. I'll keep winning, you keep losing.

You hit a point in playing games competitively where you stop caring about forcing your own expectations onto the game and just approach it with an open mind - there is winning and losing and beyond that nothing.

If you think UW Heroic is cheap, you're a scrub and holding yourself back.

[LP, of the Fires]

Heroic seems pretty mediocre in all honesty. The more you play against it, the easier it gets to exploit the wholes in the deck. It's basically bant hexproof with less nut draws.

Jeskai on the other hand gained a TON from the new set. The more I've dicked around with the new cards, the more I'm liking soulfire grandmaster. Untapping with it in play gives you complete control over how aggressive or attrition based you want to the game to play out. Valorous stance is infinitely better then I though it would be since both halves actually do something. Oh, and shock's pretty good at being a cheap loot enabler in Token/ascendancy build while being a huge tempo swing.

[zemanjaski]

Sure, but one deck put up a lot more consistent results than the other, whatever impression the decks give.

[zemanjaski]

It doesn't help that most heroic decks are like 5+ cards from being good and the pilots are awful, but what can you expect from people who approach it from the mindset of "budget nutdraw deck"?

[LP, of the Fires]

In the states at least, neither deck has put up great results besides opens where it's like 50/50 and at the GP level, I think jeskai decks have more top 16s so I don't know where your getting your info from.

[zemanjaski]

I believe your impression of the data is not accurate, but I will do my best to dig up some real numbers. At least on mtgo (the gold standard for how good a deck is) UW does very well.

[Kaitscralt]

Stop talking about UWR "burn" and start talking about UWR Tokens

one of these things has put up results

UW Heroic puts up consistent results on the SCG circuit. You can now decide once and for all if those results matter to you. You can't only have them matter for the bad things or the good things.

[Kaitscralt]

btw that is not a shot against UW Heroic, it's just by far most prevalent in the Tom Ross world, but it does very well there

[zemanjaski]

The prevalent opinion in the pro community is that the only good decks at the end of the format were Jeskai Tokens, Abzan Aggro and UW Heroic. Whip decks were playable but slightly below the others.

[zemanjaski]

Yeah Jeskai Tokens or bust.

[zemanjaski]

Stop talking about UWR "burn" and start talking about UWR Tokens

one of these things has put up results

UW Heroic puts up consistent results on the SCG circuit. You can now decide once and for all if those results matter to you. You can't only have them matter for the bad things or the good things.

It was UWR Burn when it won the Russian GP right?

[Kaitscralt]

i don't look in the direction of the motherland

[LP, of the Fires]

Has there been a standard Russian GP this format? Cause I don't think there was.

And I was also wrong about heroic and jeskai not top 8ing anything. Both decks Top 8'd GP san Antonio.

If anyone cares, before rotation, my shortlist of top decks would be all the siege rhino decks, GB constellation, and the various RW/x decks, pilgrim or tokens. Everything else is underpowered, inconsistent, or suffers typical positioning issues. What I mean by that is take UB control or RG agro decks. Both decks are good and have shown they can do really well, but they need specific metagames and won't show up in big numbers.

The constellation deck has basically been the best deck in the format for a while, but nobody plays it because it's excrutiatingly grindy and there are lots of tricky boardstates with a lot of stuff going on.

[Kaitscralt]

[BlakLanner]

at the same time blaklanner's list looks good and it uses all the good new cards

I am going to be making a few more modifications to the list in the coming days now that I have some testing on trice under my belt.

[Lightning_Dolt]

Green, isn't green like half of everything you hate in magic?

Abzan was best positioned for 2HG last time, so I went for that. You have to play things you don't like in limited.

I ended up playing UWR control and my partner was Sultai Midrange-ish. We ended up second and lost to a team that opened three mythics. Ugin is a card.

Prize structure was bullshit. 24-8-8-8. Tournament organizer is a tool.

[Khaospawn]

Why are we discussing Magic cards?

Nerds.

[Aodh]

3-1 at PR w/ Mardu tokens. Lost a miserable game one in the last round to exacsies including 8 mana to double-pump a high sentinel and a black card (only card in hand) reveal to a Ruthless Ripper from 10->0. Won game 2 on a mulligan to 5, then got wrecked game 3 by outlast shenanigans and greed (Mardu Charm to block a 3/2 into his Abzan Charm for counters).

The black Rabblemaster is okay; the general is phenomenal in swarm decks; the +2/+1 for 4-mana spell was excellent.

[Khaospawn]

[Jamie]

That feeling when people respond unironically to your baits and it makes you look like an idiot.
Just kill me

[Jamie]

0-|=>2015
0-|=>not using meme daggers

[Mcdonalds]

The troll life is a rough one but you shall prevail

[Jamie]

Today I learned I was a scrub holding myself back. You've swayed me zem! It's time to approach the game a winner and not a lowly scrub

[Jamie]

Let's have another "fun" argument. The last one was pretty good

[Mcdonalds]

Magic is srs bsns, anyone who says other wise is a filthy casual and should be banned

[Mcdonalds]

Standard hobos who play budget garbage should be looked upon with suspicion

Vorthos players should be treated with the same level of contempt as doctor who fans

[Kaitscralt]

That feeling when people respond unironically to your baits and it makes you look like an idiot.
Just kill me

The difference between a good troll and a bad troll is that a good troll doesn't post this afterwards

Half of mtgs thinks I am the most retarded and uninformed human being in the universe. I would walk into community issues and walk out leaving at least half the thread thinking I'm mentally retarded

[Khaospawn]

Doesn't that happen here too?