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Pretty much. It gets mind numbing pretty fast but it's good for a chuckle now and then.

redthirst » Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:20 am wrote:1 - Drunk, surly zem
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redthirst » Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:20 am wrote:1 - Drunk, surly zem
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UWR burn isnt a good deck, perhaps that is the problem.

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Now tell me it won a GP.

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OK. I'll keep winning, you keep losing.
You hit a point in playing games competitively where you stop caring about forcing your own expectations onto the game and just approach it with an open mind - there is winning and losing and beyond that nothing.
If you think UW Heroic is cheap, you're a scrub and holding yourself back.
You hit a point in playing games competitively where you stop caring about forcing your own expectations onto the game and just approach it with an open mind - there is winning and losing and beyond that nothing.
If you think UW Heroic is cheap, you're a scrub and holding yourself back.

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Heroic seems pretty mediocre in all honesty. The more you play against it, the easier it gets to exploit the wholes in the deck. It's basically bant hexproof with less nut draws.
Jeskai on the other hand gained a TON from the new set. The more I've dicked around with the new cards, the more I'm liking soulfire grandmaster. Untapping with it in play gives you complete control over how aggressive or attrition based you want to the game to play out. Valorous stance is infinitely better then I though it would be since both halves actually do something. Oh, and shock's pretty good at being a cheap loot enabler in Token/ascendancy build while being a huge tempo swing.
Jeskai on the other hand gained a TON from the new set. The more I've dicked around with the new cards, the more I'm liking soulfire grandmaster. Untapping with it in play gives you complete control over how aggressive or attrition based you want to the game to play out. Valorous stance is infinitely better then I though it would be since both halves actually do something. Oh, and shock's pretty good at being a cheap loot enabler in Token/ascendancy build while being a huge tempo swing.
You gotta understand, I love the beatdown. I really do. I always have.
Beatdown is hard, though.
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Beatdown is hard, though.
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Sure, but one deck put up a lot more consistent results than the other, whatever impression the decks give.

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It doesn't help that most heroic decks are like 5+ cards from being good and the pilots are awful, but what can you expect from people who approach it from the mindset of "budget nutdraw deck"?

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In the states at least, neither deck has put up great results besides opens where it's like 50/50 and at the GP level, I think jeskai decks have more top 16s so I don't know where your getting your info from.
You gotta understand, I love the beatdown. I really do. I always have.
Beatdown is hard, though.
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I believe your impression of the data is not accurate, but I will do my best to dig up some real numbers. At least on mtgo (the gold standard for how good a deck is) UW does very well.

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Stop talking about UWR "burn" and start talking about UWR Tokens
one of these things has put up results
UW Heroic puts up consistent results on the SCG circuit. You can now decide once and for all if those results matter to you. You can't only have them matter for the bad things or the good things.
one of these things has put up results
UW Heroic puts up consistent results on the SCG circuit. You can now decide once and for all if those results matter to you. You can't only have them matter for the bad things or the good things.
Lord_Mcdonalds » Yesterday, 3:13 pm wrote: Standard hobos who play budget garbage should be looked upon with suspicion.
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btw that is not a shot against UW Heroic, it's just by far most prevalent in the Tom Ross world, but it does very well there
Lord_Mcdonalds » Yesterday, 3:13 pm wrote: Standard hobos who play budget garbage should be looked upon with suspicion.
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The prevalent opinion in the pro community is that the only good decks at the end of the format were Jeskai Tokens, Abzan Aggro and UW Heroic. Whip decks were playable but slightly below the others.

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Yeah Jeskai Tokens or bust.

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It was UWR Burn when it won the Russian GP right?Stop talking about UWR "burn" and start talking about UWR Tokens
one of these things has put up results
UW Heroic puts up consistent results on the SCG circuit. You can now decide once and for all if those results matter to you. You can't only have them matter for the bad things or the good things.

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Lord_Mcdonalds » Yesterday, 3:13 pm wrote: Standard hobos who play budget garbage should be looked upon with suspicion.
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Has there been a standard Russian GP this format? Cause I don't think there was.
And I was also wrong about heroic and jeskai not top 8ing anything. Both decks Top 8'd GP san Antonio.
If anyone cares, before rotation, my shortlist of top decks would be all the siege rhino decks, GB constellation, and the various RW/x decks, pilgrim or tokens. Everything else is underpowered, inconsistent, or suffers typical positioning issues. What I mean by that is take UB control or RG agro decks. Both decks are good and have shown they can do really well, but they need specific metagames and won't show up in big numbers.
The constellation deck has basically been the best deck in the format for a while, but nobody plays it because it's excrutiatingly grindy and there are lots of tricky boardstates with a lot of stuff going on.
And I was also wrong about heroic and jeskai not top 8ing anything. Both decks Top 8'd GP san Antonio.
If anyone cares, before rotation, my shortlist of top decks would be all the siege rhino decks, GB constellation, and the various RW/x decks, pilgrim or tokens. Everything else is underpowered, inconsistent, or suffers typical positioning issues. What I mean by that is take UB control or RG agro decks. Both decks are good and have shown they can do really well, but they need specific metagames and won't show up in big numbers.
The constellation deck has basically been the best deck in the format for a while, but nobody plays it because it's excrutiatingly grindy and there are lots of tricky boardstates with a lot of stuff going on.
You gotta understand, I love the beatdown. I really do. I always have.
Beatdown is hard, though.
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Lord_Mcdonalds » Yesterday, 3:13 pm wrote: Standard hobos who play budget garbage should be looked upon with suspicion.
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I am going to be making a few more modifications to the list in the coming days now that I have some testing on trice under my belt.at the same time blaklanner's list looks good and it uses all the good new cards

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Abzan was best positioned for 2HG last time, so I went for that. You have to play things you don't like in limited.Green, isn't green like half of everything you hate in magic?
I ended up playing UWR control and my partner was Sultai Midrange-ish. We ended up second and lost to a team that opened three mythics. Ugin is a card.
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hamfactorial » Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:41 pm wrote:In a pinch, Khaos' beard can help turn this around.
Col. Khaddafi » Thu Jul 04, 2013 6:02 pm wrote:I rarely skip a Khaospawn wall of text because I know there is always piss at the end of the rainbow.
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The black Rabblemaster is okay; the general is phenomenal in swarm decks; the +2/+1 for 4-mana spell was excellent.
The black Rabblemaster is okay; the general is phenomenal in swarm decks; the +2/+1 for 4-mana spell was excellent.
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hamfactorial » Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:41 pm wrote:In a pinch, Khaos' beard can help turn this around.
Col. Khaddafi » Thu Jul 04, 2013 6:02 pm wrote:I rarely skip a Khaospawn wall of text because I know there is always piss at the end of the rainbow.
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The difference between a good troll and a bad troll is that a good troll doesn't post this afterwardsThat feeling when people respond unironically to your baits and it makes you look like an idiot.
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Lord_Mcdonalds » Yesterday, 3:13 pm wrote: Standard hobos who play budget garbage should be looked upon with suspicion.
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Doesn't that happen here too?

hamfactorial » Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:41 pm wrote:In a pinch, Khaos' beard can help turn this around.
Col. Khaddafi » Thu Jul 04, 2013 6:02 pm wrote:I rarely skip a Khaospawn wall of text because I know there is always piss at the end of the rainbow.
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