Dies to Removal

Les faltaron pelotas...

This is a good time to grab a few drinks and move the fuck on. Im tired of caring, tired of trying, and tired of lies.

I absolutely refuse to answer specific questions like that. I'm willing talk about my own experiences or how I felt about an issue, but I'm not going to give you anything on anyone else. Ask him yourself.

I did and he gave me no direct answer citing MTGS policy

Then when I went to kpaca here, he said he was unwilling but the majority of DTR except Khadaffi and some others n Kpaca's words might be willing to talk over time.

Then boub came . promised to review , disappeared, Sene and the rest came over as you said , both sides got more tic for tac , and here we are now


I am done N_S

I am done N_S

Good.

Thank you

Well, good then. It means you still sport a conscience, which is not too shabby in times like these.

You know, I still believe that basically all the moderators have their hearts in the right place. No one is out to screw anyone over, and no one ever has been. All the bad stuff that's happened over the years basically boils down to misunderstanding and misguided application of force. We (now they) have made plenty of mistakes, but that's what they are. Mistakes. They think they're doing the right thing, and sometimes it's the wrong thing, but it's never an intentional abuse of power or
anything like that. All it is is a bunch of young adults trying to run a website effectively and screwing up a few times along the way.

Like, complain about ER not responding to user complaints or the WTC guys' word-of-god style all you want. There are plenty of ways in which all the moderators could improve, no doubt. Maybe some of them aren't fit for their jobs. But calling them corrupt or implying that they don't have a conscience is just ridiculous and always has been.

nazis thought they were doing good. #godwinslawinvokition #annoyingpeoplewith #hashtags

There's too much serious in my blather thread.

And yet not once they presented a proper apology. Always playing the misunderstanding card. Maybe things could have gone differently if they had the balls to apologise?

I dunno. I guess it's hard to apologise for something when the other guy still thinks you're a liar? Have you ever said "Yes, I understand that there were misunderstandings on both sides. I understand that you guys had the best interests of the site at heart and just fucked up. I'd still like an apology."

Or, if we're feeling totally crazy, have you ever apologized yourself? Assume they're telling the truth for a sec with the "bullshit" they've been feeding you about the misunderstandings. Put yourself in their shoes and realise that most of the
moderators are human.

This site is a big dump in many senses, and we for sure don't have the manpower to do many things we would like in order to improve it. And although we made a bunch of new friends (like the FoS people) and met a lot of wacky/insane people, the fact is that as of today, I'd say only 1/3 of the gutter regulars who were posting at the time people announced the shutdown are still hanging around and posting here. That's some real damage right there, and just because some random corporation didn't like nasty words posted in hidden subsections of the site.

Yep, real damage, for sure. If it helps any, I still believe the Gutter was a net negative to the site and never should have been created. Despite that, I also still believe that it didn't need to be closed down. Either way, a less damaging solution could
have come about.

I said this more than once: If people had been honest and came forward with something like "Hey guys, bad news, the site is being sold to a larger corporation, and there is no way that something like the gutter is going to be allowed to stay. What can we do to help you guys move on with the minimum of casualties?"

Yep, that would have been better. It also would have been better if the heart-and-soul members of the Gutter hadn't gone off the handle and gotten themselves banned based on rumours and conjecture.

There's too much serious in my blather thread.

well I apologize for my own posts

There's too much serious in my blather thread.

This is how blather threads were born, it's only natural.

Like a star exploding.

There's too much serious in my blather thread.

well I apologize for my own posts

*writes apology*
*doesn't realise he's being serious again*

Like a star exploding.

Where do you think Stardust comes from anyway?

@ dust:

That's where people like you and Talore make me scratch my head. You add insult to injury by saying that people got themselves banned. Like posting a fucking link in the Gutter-Staff pegging chamber (a hidden area) is a bannable offense. ‹^› ‹(•¿•)› ‹^›

Like a star exploding.

Where do you think Stardust comes from anyway?

:mindblown:

I assume people make the choice to post things they know to be off limits. Scumbag surely did when he posted what he did. I understand why he did it, but I also think he probably shouldn't have if he really wanted what was best for the Gutter.

Oh, sorry, that was kpaca you were talking about, right? There's a reason he's unbanned, I guess. Even so, he reposted something that he assumed had been deleted by an admin. There were better ways to go about it.

Why was unconfirmed info given by "anonymous mystery aim guy" off limits? He only knew he was getting banned because that's what this leak told him. So he was getting banned anyway? ‹^› ‹(•¿•)› ‹^›

I'm not trying to insult anyone... but to think the Gutter members are innocent in all that happened is naive.

Why was unconfirmed info given by "anonymous mystery aim guy" off limits? He only knew he was getting banned because that's what this leak told him. So he was getting banned anyway? ‹^› ‹(•¿•)› ‹^›

Rumours. Rumours that were deleted by an admin, therefore off-limits. Ideally he would have gone to PM at that point.

Meh, there's a reason I don't log there anymore.

Except with my gimmicks, ofc

Thousands of cute gimmicks

Put yourself in their shoes and realise that most of the moderators are human.

Heh, I was wondering who would catch that. Spammy knows who I'm talking about!

the exception is E_R

he's a dog

no, he means Moss Elemental, who is actually a bot that got modded somehow.

A "spambot", if you will.

Good times, good times.

A "spambot", if you will.

I was a spambot on that site but I got banned after my programming was rewritten from PG posting to PG-13 posting.

lol Mossy jokes!

I'm eating this General Tsao's vegan tofu chicken I got at Whole Foods and it's delicious.

Whole Foods, man, I don't even mind dealing with all of those Woodstock looking people who work there, the food's too good to pass up.

And yet not once they presented a proper apology. Always playing the misunderstanding card. Maybe things could have gone differently if they had the balls to apologise?

I dunno. I guess it's hard to apologise for something when the other guy still thinks you're a liar? Have you ever said "Yes, I understand that there were misunderstandings on both sides. I understand that you guys had the best interests of the site at heart and just fucked up. I'd still like an apology."

Or, if we're feeling totally crazy, have you ever apologized yourself? Assume they're telling the truth for
a sec with the "bullshit" they've been feeding you about the misunderstandings. Put yourself in their shoes and realise that most of the moderators are human.

Since I'm the one that got banned for I quote "malicious actions against websites" and I'm still banned to date, I think I should get dibs on being the first to be apologised to (as far as the dynamic Scumbag-iridium goes). Then we can for sure analyze any of my post-ban "wrongdoings", but suffice to say that I consider any actions taken to circumvent an illegitimate ban as legitimate actions by definition.

This site is a big dump in many senses, and we for sure don't have the
manpower to do many things we would like in order to improve it. And although we made a bunch of new friends (like the FoS people) and met a lot of wacky/insane people, the fact is that as of today, I'd say only 1/3 of the gutter regulars who were posting at the time people announced the shutdown are still hanging around and posting here. That's some real damage right there, and just because some random corporation didn't like nasty words posted in hidden subsections of the site.

Yep, real damage, for sure. If it helps any, I still believe the Gutter was a net negative to the site and never should have been created. Despite that, I also still believe that it didn't need to be closed down. Either way, a less damaging solution could have come about.

We can agree. I'm sure many people bit their fingers after making that big tumor, but after it was done it was too late.

I said this more than once: If people had been honest and came forward with something like "Hey guys, bad news, the site is being sold to a larger corporation, and there is no way that something like the gutter is going to be allowed to stay. What can we do to help you guys move on with the minimum of casualties?"

Yep, that would have been better. It also would have been better if the heart-and-soul members of the Gutter hadn't gone off the handle and gotten themselves banned based on rumours and conjecture.

But the rumors were true? The AIM leak told me there was a plan to just straight ban me, and that the site was being bought by Curse and that they wanted the Gutter gone? It all went down as postulated by the leak?

Whole Foods is legit stuff.

If Scumbag gets unbanned does that mean I get unbanned by proxy since I aided and abetted a now redeemed internet criminal?

Col. Khaddafi » Mon Sep 09, 2013 9:45 pm

But the rumors were true? The AIM leak told me there was a plan to just straight ban me

It's because your posts gave a certain admin uncontrollable diarrhea.