Dies to Removal

Posted: **Thu Aug 22, 2013 3:13 am**

If America didn't lock up everyone for smoking a lil' wacky tobaccy, there'd be a lot less prisoners.

Posted: **Thu Aug 22, 2013 3:14 am**

I blame da librulzzzzz

Posted: **Thu Aug 22, 2013 3:16 am**

If you fly into a rage and don't have a gun, you beat someone senseless and they go to the hospital.

You know, unless you have a knife.

Or a pipe.

Or a car.

Or a big stick.

Or pretty much anything that could possibly be used as a weapon - in that case the other guy is probably still dead.

Unless, of course, they have a gun...

Posted: **Thu Aug 22, 2013 3:19 am**

It costs a buck-o-five

I send my $1.05 directly to the NRA.

For freedom.

Posted: **Thu Aug 22, 2013 3:32 am**

If you fly into a rage and don't have a gun, you beat someone senseless and they go to the hospital.
You know, unless you have a knife.

Or a pipe.

Or a car.

Or a big stick.

Or pretty much anything that could possibly be used as a weapon - in that case the other guy is probably still dead.

Unless, of course, they have a gun...

This actually hurt my brain. Don't you work in security?

Posted: **Thu Aug 22, 2013 4:21 am**

It costs a buck-o-five

custom title'd

Posted: **Thu Aug 22, 2013 4:42 am**

I usually can only offer sympathies to fellow clan members, but Kaze, I feel you deep down.

I know that "sick" feeling you describe, and its not something I'd wish on anyone ever. I'd say its going to be all right, but that might not be true for a long time. So I'll just say we're here for you on this road

Posted: **Thu Aug 22, 2013 4:48 am**

My wife just texted me.

She said she's not coming home.

She's done with me.

I feel sick.

By text message? That's harsh, cruel, and petty. That sucks.

First of all, be calm. It's not the end of the world, even though it may feel like it is. Respond to say that you're willing to discuss this, but you won't have this conversation by text message. It is too important for text. See if you can get her to meet you someplace neutral like a restaurant or a park to talk. If she is willing to talk and work things out, then go get some counseling. There are some serious communication problems going on.

If she really is serious, then contact a lawyer. After only three months you should not have to worry about alimony or any of that nonsense.
You don't have any kids nor do you have any significant shared assets. Document everything that happens. Keep records. As others have mentioned, nullification may be an option since the marriage is so new.

Then get yourself some counseling.

We're here for you, man. Vent away as needed.

Posted: **Thu Aug 22, 2013 5:16 am**

She totally blocked me out. Told me to pack up and leave by tomorrow.

She has no mercy or wish to reconcile. She doesn't want to talk. All these years of dating and months of marriage and she won't even answer her phone.

"Get out. Leave your keys on the table. Pack your things. Whatever isn't packed when I get home tomorrow is going on the lawn."(I know she can't do this, but still. She said that.)

And you know what?

She's bringing someone home with her.

I should have seen this coming, I feel like, but I didn't get anything akin to a sign that this was on the horizon.

To throw away our entire relationship over some petty marriage fights that escalate form benign things like leaving the front door open, I don't believe this was just a snap decision. She fucking planned this for a while. I know she did.

I feel betrayed, sick, and lost. I've dated her since I was young.
I don't know how to just pick up after this.

I don't know.

what am i supposed to do

Posted: **Thu Aug 22, 2013 5:21 am**

Man Kaze. I don't know what to say. Get an attorney. Document everything, just in case. And bringing someone home with you after just kicking out your husband? That's some bullshit, son. If my wife did that, you bet your ass I'd be sitting just inside the front door when she brought the dude home.

EDIT: Make sure she hasn't gotten a restraining order on you. It's fucked up, but the info you've given us leads me to believe she'll do some fucked up things. Also, did you guys find a place to live together? Or did she move in with you?

Posted: **Thu Aug 22, 2013 5:27 am**

I never would have guessed she was cunning like this. Just another crazy redhead like all the others.

She said she loved me just yesterday.

Posted: **Thu Aug 22, 2013 5:58 am**

I feel for you across the world man.

We're all here for you, and so are your irl friends. Talk it out with people you trust. You'll get through this.

Posted: **Thu Aug 22, 2013 6:40 am**

I never would have guessed she was cunning like this. Just another crazy redhead like all the others.

She said she loved me just yesterday.

Kaze, my heart goes out to you, brother. There's not really anything I can add that others haven't already said...you're in good company here as many of us have been where you are. And we're here to tell you that you can look at us and see that we came out on the other side, even though you likely feel right now like you've completely lost your footing on an ungodly slippery slope.

Is your situation such that she has the legal high ground to make you leave? My perspective on this is a bit skewed as I had my wife legally removed from the house with a TRO as she was a danger to our kids and thus she
had no leverage regarding our shared residence. If you stand as equals, don't do the work for her; tell her to GTFO with her "friend".

Posted: **Thu Aug 22, 2013 7:17 am**

'They're standing on the corner and they can't speak English.
I can't even talk the way these people talk: Why you ain't, Where you is, What he drive, Where he stay, Where he work, Who you be...
And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk. And then I heard the father talk.

Everybody knows it's important to speak English except these knuckleheads. You can't be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth. In fact you will never get any kind of job making a decent living.

People marched and were hit in the face with rocks to get an Education, and now we've got these knuckleheads walking around.

The lower economic people are not holding up their end in this deal. These people are not parenting. They are buying things for kids.
$500 sneakers for what?

And they won't spend $200 for Hooked on Phonics.

I am talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an
orange suit. Where were you when he was 2? Where were you when he was 12? Where were you when he was 18 and how come you didn't know that he had a pistol?

And where is the father? Or who is his father?

People putting their clothes on backward: Isn't that a sign of something gone wrong?
People with their hats on backward, pants down around the crack, isn't that a sign of something?

Isn't it a sign of something when she has her dress all the way up and got all type of needles [piercing] going through her body? What part of Africa did this come from??
We are not Africans. Those people are not Africans; they don't know a thing about Africa.

I say this all of the time. It would be like white people saying they are European-American. That is totally stupid.

I was born here, and so were my parents and grand parents and, very likely my great grandparents. I don't have any connection to Africa, no more than white Americans have to Germany , Scotland , England , Ireland , or the
Netherlands . The same applies to 99 percent of all the black Americans as regards to Africa . So stop, already! ! !
With names like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Mohammed and all of that crap ......... And all of them are in jail.

Brown or black versus the Board of Education is no longer the white person's problem.
We have got to take the neighborhood back.
People used to be ashamed. Today a woman has eight children with eight different 'husbands' -- or men or whatever you call them now.

We have millionaire football players who cannot read. We have million-dollar basketball players who can't write two paragraphs. We, as black folks have to do a better job.

Someone working at Wal-Mart with seven kids, you are hurting us.
We have to start holding each other to a higher standard.
We cannot blame the white people any longer.'

Dr. William Henry 'Bill' Cosby, Jr., Ed. D.

Posted: **Thu Aug 22, 2013 11:01 am**

Now, to bring things together:
I've traveled a bit around Europe, and I've never seen a real gun except a couple of times, and even then those were owned by policemen.
Yet, if I was in a situation similar to the one Kaze is living, I'll -seriously- feel the urge to own one.

With that said, there are a few things that I just can't understand: you (I'm talking to you, Kaze) say you were dating her since you were young, where does this "ex" guy come from?
She told you to pack your things and leave - is the house just hers? I don't think she's allowed to just throw you out.
Can you stop going to work for a couple of days?
Do you have any friend that can help you out?

Posted: **Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:23 pm**

If you fly into a rage and don't have a gun, you beat someone senseless and they go to the hospital.
You know, unless you have a knife.

Or a pipe.

Or a car.

Or a big stick.

Or pretty much anything that could possibly be used as a weapon - in that case the other guy is probably still dead.

Unless, of course, they have a gun...
This actually hurt my brain. Don't you work in security?[/
quote]

You want my personal experience?

I see a lot more knife injuries than gun injuries and they're generally worse too (though, that's mostly because a drunk guy in a moving car 200' away probably isn't going to hit much).

I've had guns, knives, and a bat pulled on me - I've also had someone get in their car and start driving towards me (though I can't say for sure that she intended to hit me, it sure did look like it) and been jumped by a group of unarmed teens when I was carrying concealed and every situation was solved by my legal and rightful use of a firearm. In my case, responsible use of a gun has saved my life against irresponsible people so don't try and tell me that guns are the problem when I've been threatened with all kinds of non-gun weapons - I know better.

Worthless fucking pieces of shit are the problem - guns are how I protect my family from them.

Kaze, don't leave the house - she's in the wrong - so she can go find somewhere else to stay.

Posted: **Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:13 pm**

If you fly into a rage and don't have a gun, you beat someone senseless and they go to the hospital.
You know, unless you have a knife.

Or a pipe.

Or a car.

Or a big stick.

Or pretty much anything that could possibly be used as a weapon - in that
case the other guy is probably still dead.

Unless, of course, they have a gun...
This actually hurt my brain. Don't you work in security?
You want my personal experience?

I see a lot more knife injuries than gun injuries and they're generally worse too (though, that's mostly because a drunk guy in a moving car 200' away probably isn't going to hit much).

I've had guns, knives, and a bat pulled on me - I've also had someone get in their car and start driving towards me (though I can't say for sure that she intended to hit me, it sure did look like it) and been jumped by a group of unarmed teens when I was carrying concealed and every situation was solved by my legal and rightful use of a firearm. In my case, responsible use of a gun has saved my life against irresponsible people so don't try and tell me that guns are the problem when I've been threatened with all kinds of non-gun weapons - I know better.

Worthless fucking pieces of shit are the
problem - guns are how I protect my family from them.

Kaze, don't leave the house - she's in the wrong - so she can go find somewhere else to stay.

A gun is just a piece of metal.
Metal is never a problem

What the rest of the world sees as a typical, american problem is the fact that problematic people living in the US can get their hands on firearms (or knives, brass knuckles, baseball bats, whatever) too easily.

Posted: **Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:47 pm**

I'm intruding shortly to extend my sympathies to Kaze and to barn what everyone else said: Don't leave the house, and I'd even add that you should also change the lock (but maybe seek legal counsel on this first). Also keep a trail of all the messages she sent you, you never know if it can come handy if things get really ugly.

Also on a tangent, and without delving too much in the gun control debate, I'd like to point out that a gun is still the most efficient killing tool available.

a) you can't kill someone at a distance with a knife (well, for most of normal people).
b) a car is useless if a person is standing somewhere else than in the middle of the road and the sidewalk.

With a gun, you can kill point blank and at a distance, in almost every conceivable place. It's really a very flexible tool. No wonder it revolutionized warfare after the middle ages.

Peace, I'm out.

Posted: **Thu Aug 22, 2013 2:09 pm**

Thirst--

I hear where you're coming from, and I fully support our right to protect ourselves and our families.

But brother, the way we're doing it in this country is totally, undeniably broken.

The gun lobby spends bazillions of dollars every year to make sure that the lawmakers do not pass any reasonable, workable plan for gun control. It is just wrong. Yes, we should have have as our right the ability as responsible, law-abiding adults to apply for and purchase licensed firearms for legal use. But a system that allows kids to mail-order weapons and shoot up schools--again and again--does not work. Yes, people are a big damn part of the problem--guns do not walk around killing people on their own--but our system is utterly too loose and forgiving.

The problem I have with the people argument, however, is exactly what James pointed out. Australians are human beings, just like us; they have access to the same
mind-rotting video games, the same violent Internet content, the same Looney Toons that my generation was told as teenagers were responsible for violent child behavior and the same gangsta rap. But their incidence of violent crime--firearm related or otherwise--is lower than ours by a serious and undeniable margin. Why? Their laws. And I don't mean just weapon control; I'm talking about laws relating to public support of the impoverished, education, criminal punishment...the whole damn shooting match. We have in place here a system that incentivizes low-income, poorly-educated, lazy irresponsible people to pump out kids that they have no ability or desire to properly parent. That allows these kids to fall into the abyss of street life. Then provides these masses with high potential and motivation for criminal activity with all but unregulated access to weapons designed for no purpose other than the maiming and killing of other human beings.

The simple truth is that if our legislative system here
worked and created real accountability in all significant areas of life, we would not even be in a debate because the average person would have no reason to be concerned with protecting themselves. Stone cold truth.

Posted: **Thu Aug 22, 2013 2:27 pm**

Kaze, wow. That escalated quickly. I think you're right that she thought about this in advance. At the very least, her friend may have been pushing for her to do this.

Do you have a joint bank account? Get a separate account. Secure your money. Do this first.
Talk to a lawyer. Do this sooner rather than later. Discuss annulment.
Have a friend stay with you at the house. A lot of mud gets thrown in these situations. Witnesses are good.
If she or her friend threatens you, then you can and should get a TRO.

This is going to suck on many levels. Get through the immediate things first. Be prepared to fall apart later.

Posted: **Thu Aug 22, 2013 2:33 pm**

Kaze, I'll echo what others have said. Do not simply give in to her demands. I think we'd all really like to know what the legal housing arrangement is with you two. Do you own the home? Does she? Is it in both of your names? Do not give her what is not rightfully hers, especially if she's cheating on you. Regardless of what you may have said, if you didn't cheat and you didn't abuse her, she's doing the wrong thing by cheating. If she wants to be with someone else, she should seek a divorce BEFORE being with that person. I don't know why people in this world have such a hard time with that concept.

Posted: **Thu Aug 22, 2013 3:14 pm**

Kaze, if my "ex" tried bringing home another guy into my house while I was still there, I'd beat the ever-loving shit out of that motherfucker.

With a baseball bat.

And rusty ice skates.

Afterwards, I'd make sure to found out where he lives and works. Then I'd make it my sole mission to make his life a living hell for as long as I can manage. I would shit on everything that is precious to him and laugh as his life spirals out of his control.

But I'd never kill him. I would never think about it. I want him to live a long time thinking about where he went wrong. I want him to realize that maybe he should've kept his dick somewhere else. That maybe fucking around with someone else's redhead was a bad idea.

And once he learns his lesson and regrets making his mistake, I'd beat the shit out of him again for making me have to do this to him.

On second thought, don't take my advice. You're
better off handling this in a nonviolent manner.

Oh, and the only way anybody is going to remove me from my house is the muthafuckin' SWAT team. That's my fucking castle.

Posted: **Thu Aug 22, 2013 3:17 pm**

Kaze, if my "ex" tried bringing home another guy into my house while I was still there, I'd beat the ever-loving shit out of that motherfucker.

With a baseball bat.

And rusty ice skates.

Afterwards, I'd make sure to found out where he lives and works. Then I'd make it my sole mission to make his life a living hell for as long as I can manage. I would shit on everything that is precious to him and laugh as his life spirals out of his control.

But I'd never kill him. I would never think about it. I want him to live a long time thinking about where he went wrong. I want him to realize that maybe he should've kept his dick somewhere else. That maybe fucking around with someone else's redhead was a bad idea.

And once he learns his lesson and
regrets making his mistake, I'd beat the shit out of him again for making me have to do this to him.

On second thought, don't take my advice. You're better off handling this in a nonviolent manner.

Of course, if it IS your home, and you feel "threatened" with a stranger in your house, I believe Indiana has some friendly castle and self-defense laws...

(don't take that advice either - pre-meditated on the internet and all)

Posted: **Thu Aug 22, 2013 3:35 pm**

Just another crazy redhead like all the others.

Oooooooooh, well now it makes way more sense.

Welcome to the club. Feel free to help yourself to the complimentary coffee cake and band aids.

Posted: **Thu Aug 22, 2013 3:46 pm**

But brother, the way we're doing it in this country is totally, undeniably broken.

No argument there, but making it even harder for your everyday law-abiding citizen to legally own a gun while doing nothing to make it any harder for your everyday law-ignoring thug to get his hands on one is not going to solve anything.

Also, Indiana is very self-defense friendly - especially in your own home. Take from that what you will.

Personally, I'd just change the locks, throw her shit out, and get an annullment. Save anything that you can use against her, consult a lawyer, and trash the rest - she ain't on your side anymore so don't feel like you need to pull any punches.

Fuck that bitch.

Posted: **Thu Aug 22, 2013 3:47 pm**

Kaze, if my "ex" tried bringing home another guy into my house while I was still there, I'd beat the ever-loving shit out of that motherfucker.

With a baseball bat.

And rusty ice skates.

Afterwards, I'd make sure to found out where he lives and works. Then I'd make it my sole mission to make his life a living hell for as long as I can manage. I would shit on everything that is precious to him and laugh as his life spirals out of his control.

But I'd never kill him. I would never think about it. I want him to live a long time thinking about where he went wrong. I want him to realize that maybe he should've kept his dick somewhere else. That maybe fucking around with someone else's redhead was a bad idea.

And once he learns his lesson and
regrets making his mistake, I'd beat the shit out of him again for making me have to do this to him.

On second thought, don't take my advice. You're better off handling this in a nonviolent manner.

Oh, and the only way anybody is going to remove me from my house is the muthafuckin' SWAT team. That's my fucking castle.

Kaze, listen to the last 2 paragraphs. And, no matter what thirst and his hypnotic crank try to tell you, don't buy a gun.
But, more importantly, how are you feeling, brother?

Posted: **Thu Aug 22, 2013 3:53 pm**

Guns don't kill people.

Bullets do.

Ban bullets.

Posted: **Thu Aug 22, 2013 3:55 pm**

Blaming guns for killing people is like blaming McDonald's for making your ass fat.

Posted: **Thu Aug 22, 2013 3:55 pm**

Kaze, if my "ex" tried bringing home another guy into my house while I was still there, I'd beat the ever-loving shit out of that motherfucker.

With a baseball bat.

And rusty ice skates.

Afterwards, I'd make sure to found out where he lives and works. Then I'd make it my sole mission to make his life a living hell for as long as I can manage. I would shit on everything that is precious to him and laugh as his life spirals out of his control.

But I'd never kill him. I would never think about it. I want him to live a long time thinking about where he went wrong. I want him to realize that
maybe he should've kept his dick somewhere else. That maybe fucking around with someone else's redhead was a bad idea.

And once he learns his lesson and regrets making his mistake, I'd beat the shit out of him again for making me have to do this to him.

On second thought, don't take my advice. You're better off handling this in a nonviolent manner.

Oh, and the only way anybody is going to remove me from my house is the muthafuckin' SWAT team. That's my fucking castle.
Kaze, listen to the last 2 paragraphs. And, no matter what thirst and his hypnotic crank try to tell you, don't buy a gun.
But, more importantly, how are you feeling, brother?

When did I tell him to buy a gun? These are two separate topics... are you under the impression that I'm advocating both responsible gun ownership for self-defense and also shooting your ex and her new boyfriend because ?

Anywho, yeah Kaze - how you holding up?

Posted: **Thu Aug 22, 2013 4:22 pm**

Kaze, if my "ex" tried bringing home another guy into my house while I was still there, I'd beat the ever-loving shit out of that motherfucker.

With a baseball bat.

And rusty ice skates.

Afterwards, I'd make sure to found out where he lives and works. Then I'd make it my sole mission to make his life a living hell for as long as I can manage. I would shit on everything that is precious to him and laugh as his life spirals out of his
control.

But I'd never kill him. I would never think about it. I want him to live a long time thinking about where he went wrong. I want him to realize that maybe he should've kept his dick somewhere else. That maybe fucking around with someone else's redhead was a bad idea.

And once he learns his lesson and regrets making his mistake, I'd beat the shit out of him again for making me have to do this to him.

On second thought, don't take my advice. You're better off handling this in a nonviolent manner.

Oh, and the only way anybody is going to remove me from my house is the muthafuckin' SWAT team. That's my fucking castle.
Kaze, listen to the last 2 paragraphs. And, no matter what thirst and his hypnotic crank try to tell you, don't buy a gun.
But, more importantly, how are you feeling, brother?
When did I tell him to buy a gun? These are two separate topics... are you under the impression that I'm advocating both
responsible gun ownership for self-defense and also shooting your ex and her new boyfriend because ?

No, not at all. The post before made it very clear that that was not your position. Just a light joke based off of your recent advocacy.

Posted: **Thu Aug 22, 2013 4:48 pm**

punching people in the throat and laughing maniacly as they gasp for air is perfectly fine when done safely

Posted: **Thu Aug 22, 2013 4:59 pm**

Kaze, if my "ex" tried bringing home another guy into my house while I was still there, I'd beat the ever-loving shit out of that motherfucker.

With a baseball bat.

And rusty ice skates.

Afterwards, I'd make sure to found out where he lives and works. Then I'd make it my sole
mission to make his life a living hell for as long as I can manage. I would shit on everything that is precious to him and laugh as his life spirals out of his control.

But I'd never kill him. I would never think about it. I want him to live a long time thinking about where he went wrong. I want him to realize that maybe he should've kept his dick somewhere else. That maybe fucking around with someone else's redhead was a bad idea.

And once he learns his lesson and regrets making his mistake, I'd beat the shit out of him again for making me have to do this to him.

On second thought, don't take my advice. You're better off handling this in a nonviolent manner.

Oh, and the only way anybody is going to remove me from my house is the muthafuckin' SWAT team. That's my fucking castle.
Kaze, listen to the last 2 paragraphs. And, no matter what thirst and his hypnotic crank try to tell you, don't buy a gun.
But, more importantly, how are you
feeling, brother?
When did I tell him to buy a gun? These are two separate topics... are you under the impression that I'm advocating both responsible gun ownership for self-defense and also shooting your ex and her new boyfriend because ?

No, not at all. The post before made it very clear that that was not your position. Just a light joke based off of your recent advocacy.

Fair enough - I didn't realize it was a joke and was honestly confused... things haven't been overly jokey in here lately.

Posted: **Thu Aug 22, 2013 5:04 pm**

Seriously, everything is well... serious.

Kaze, just keep strong. Stay in your house, and listen to everyone else's advice, (Windstrider and Photo look like they know what they are doing). We got your back.

Posted: **Thu Aug 22, 2013 5:05 pm**

If you had to pigeon-hole me into a political archetype, I'd probably be in the Northeast Liberal sphere. However, my views on gun ownership, like anything else really, are complicated and not a "yes" or "no".

I love going to the range. I'd like to own a pistol at some point, though my wife doesn't like the idea. We have friends who hunt and I'd like to tag along some time - I've never been before and would like to try it out, either with a bow or a hunting rifle.

I've taken the safety course required in Massachusetts before seeking permission of your local police chief to own a gun.

But I also think that America has a huge problem with firearms. I don't see any point to things like AR-15s being owned by private citizens. Or large-capacity magazines. I don't like the idea that there are fairs and gun shows in certain states that don't require background checks.

Personally, I feel
that there is a very strong parallel between gun ownership and car ownership. Note I don't say violence or deaths caused by either. Simply ownership. Just like we license and register car ownership, I believe gun ownership should be very similar. Most areas I've heard of require a gun license, or a carry license, but I don't know of a registry like for Motor Vehicles. I think that would be a good idea and one that any law abiding citizen whose only motives are self defense and/or sport should be able to live with. Some may not like it, but I think it's a step that would allow lawful ownership while making it easier to track down and hopefully deter gun related crime. Guns have serial numbers, but I think they should be tracked more similarly to VINs in a car.

I read an article recently about a task force in California who have matched their gun owner records to mental health and criminal records and they're taking back guns for those who should no longer legally own them, whether or not it was
legal at time of purchase. I think that's a good idea too, though I can certainly see it being a slippery slope. I'd say the parallel is someone whose license is revoked due to a DUI or something similar, though there are certainly flaws with that analogy (car may not be repo'd at that point).

I also don't necessarily agree that we have a constitutional right to keep and bear arms. Here's the text of the constitutional amendment:

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

The first phase trips me up. What well regulated militia is my neighbor a part of, that lets him keep his glock?

I suppose my views boil down to this:
1. I like guns and would like to own one
2. We have a huge issue with gun ownership, registration, tracking, and violence in this country
3. Government's responsibility is to balance personal freedom with communal safety. Freedoms should be as broad as possible, so
long as they pose little to no risk/threat.

Posted: **Thu Aug 22, 2013 5:33 pm**

How will we defend ourselves when the government comes after us?

Posted: **Thu Aug 22, 2013 5:33 pm**

Personally, I don't see why things like ARs and Hi-capacity magazines shouldn't be legal.

Most crimes are committed with handguns, and the vast majority of those aren't with 20+ round magazines because you don't need more than 1 or 2 bullets to hold up a convenience store or steal a purse.

Also, the "assault rifle" moniker is so incredibly arbitrary.
This is an AR-15:

This is a Mini 14:

You know what the difference is in "killing power" between the two? Not a damn thing. So what makes the first one bad and the second one okay under assault rifle ban laws?

Answer:
the first one is scary looking. Yeah... that's worth infringing on one of our nation's basic founding freedoms for.

Also, wraspy, you're not missing too much on the hunting front. All the hunting I've ever done was incredibly boring. It basically boiled down to getting up ass-early in the morning to drive out into the woods, hike a mile, climb up a tree, and then end up taking a nap in 15 degree weather. And then, if you're lucky, you get to clean a deer and drag its heavy ass back out of the forest. There's a reason we became a mostly farming species - because hunting sucks. I'd rather spend a couple hours every other Saturday putting holes in paper myself.

Posted: **Thu Aug 22, 2013 5:37 pm**

How will we defend ourselves when the government comes after us?

War is peace
Freedom is slavery
Ignorance is strength

Posted: **Thu Aug 22, 2013 6:07 pm**

Commercially available firearms won't help much against a tank or an armored helicopter.

Posted: **Thu Aug 22, 2013 6:14 pm**

Also, wraspy, you're not missing too much on the hunting front. All the hunting I've ever done was incredibly boring. It basically boiled down to getting up ass-early in the morning to drive out into the woods, hike a mile, climb up a tree, and then end up taking a nap in 15 degree weather. And then, if you're lucky, you get to clean a deer and drag its heavy ass back out of the forest. There's a reason we became a mostly farming species - because hunting sucks. I'd rather spend a couple hours every other Saturday putting holes in paper myself.

Amen, and then some...find a friend who lives for deer season, swap him out of a roll of good deer sausage and call it good. I can't speak for everywhere, but in this part
of the country way too many folks treat "huntin'" as an excuse to drag a truckbed full of beer down in the woods and drink from breakfast on. The last thing I want to be doing is moving around in the woods where some yahoo muthafucker has spent his weekend getting shitfaced and frustrated over not having bagged Da Turdy-Point Buck.

Posted: **Thu Aug 22, 2013 6:17 pm**

I don't know about y'all, but I'm enjoying my California sized low capacity magazines. Taste that freedom!

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