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Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:03 am
by Platypus
@Platypus: Burn seems ok in the meta you have. If the meta swings slightly more controlish, it won't be favourable. I will explain via PM, or via a new post here.
PM sent.
Just to have something else in here...I'm planning to start writing a primer for Mono Black Control decks. They might not be Tier 1, but there's some potential there at least, starting with that Vampire deck that finished 4-0. I haven't done much MtG writing before, so I will probably mess up on several things. So, if anyone wants to proofread (English isn't my native language), edit out blatantly wrong stuff, or just comment, please drop me a PM. I haven't started yet, but I'll probably do it whenever I find the spare time.
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:05 am
by Christen
Can we have a Rakdos enchantment that says creatures you control have Unleash? That would be nice I guess.
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:28 am
by Colonel Nohman
If you're a good player, you can assemble a good deck and win back enough store credit to pay for the deck. Assuming you can play often enough.
I think that depend about your LGS policy. For exemple, for my 3rd place in the Win-a-Box tournament I get 8€ of credit. 2nd place: 72€ of credit. That was a really sad day for me.
In fairness to Kaze and anyone who might feel like him, the more senior members (me especially) haven't been doing a lot of streaming lately, so there's not a lot to learn from.
I feel a bit remiss in my duties, I really should be keeping better track of standard. I got very distracted by my breakup and dropped a lot of things while I was in panic mode.
I
really miss your streaming Ham. But of course, since what happened, I think that nobody can blame you for that. I just hope that things are going better now and to see your streaming (as well as Zem's too) soon. I can say that for sure all of you guys streamings, suggestions and considerations have really helped me improving as a player. And generally have better days reading all the stuff here.
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:35 pm
by redthirst
Mmmmmmmmmm...
Blood Witch.
I'm all about dat bitch.
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:46 pm
by photodyer
Mmmmmmmmmm... Blood Witch.
I'm all about dat bitch.
Amen, brother redthirst...that witch is ready to bring the pain, and the card art is rockin' as hard as she is.
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:50 pm
by redthirst
Lulz!
I just noticed that Teia got moved from WCT to The Speakeasy... I'm pretty sure that's about as close to demodding without actually being demodded that you can get.
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:52 pm
by photodyer
Lulz!
I just noticed that Teia got moved from WCT to The Speakeasy... I'm pretty sure that's about as close to demodding without actually being demodded that you can get.
Ha! About damn time...a whole lot more of that needs to go on over there.
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:55 pm
by redthirst
It's the best of both worlds: the staff's happy that they can still pretend like a girl is flirting with them in GRRRRR, and the members are happy that they don't have to put up with his bullshit anymore.
Honestly, it's a very elegant solution.
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 3:10 pm
by windstrider
Mmmmmmmmmm... Blood Witch.
I'm all about dat bitch.
Amen, brother redthirst...that witch is ready to bring the pain, and the card art is rockin' as hard as she is.
She's purty. Definitely going Rakdos at the Prerelease. I'm hoping for some more interesting unleash & scavenge creatures.
Slitherhead becomes a haste enabler with her out.
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 3:16 pm
by redthirst
Yeah, I'm hoping for some good 1,2, or 3 drop Unleash dudes to really set her off.
Nice.
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 3:17 pm
by Aesnath
That Azorious champ is just silly. If you were tired of bant Resto-blink decks, Lavinia is coming in strong. I'm worried that she could totally shut down much creature aggro. Moreover, I'm just tired of things that play well with thragtusk.
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 3:21 pm
by Platypus
Yeah, I'm hoping for some good 1,2, or 3 drop Unleash dudes to really set her off.
Nice.
She gives haste to undead Wolfs and Hounds as well. Don't know how relevant that will be, but it's a nice bonus.
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 3:24 pm
by Platypus
That Azorious champ is just silly. If you were tired of bant Resto-blink decks, Lavinia is coming in strong. I'm worried that she could totally shut down much creature aggro. Moreover, I'm just tired of things that play well with thragtusk.
Oh crap! That one is not very nice. Oh well, guess I'll continue thinking about my black deck then...
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 3:24 pm
by redthirst
Yeah, Lanivia is a bitch all right - but my plan's the same as it ever was to deal with annoying 5cc creatures: start dropping flyers that just don't care.
Her + Resto is an extremely annoying combo, though...
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 3:25 pm
by windstrider
That Azorious champ is just silly. If you were tired of bant Resto-blink decks, Lavinia is coming in strong. I'm worried that she could totally shut down much creature aggro. Moreover, I'm just tired of things that play well with thragtusk.
For reference:
Lavinia of the Tenth 3WU
Legendary Creature - Human Soldier
Protection from red
When Lavinia of the Tenth enters the battlefield, detain each nonland permanent your opponents control with converted mana cost 4 or less.
Oh, for fuck's sake. Pro-red and detains everything 4 or less? That's a great big middle finger to R/x Aggro.
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 3:27 pm
by redthirst
Also, I hope they print some decent 1
removal in this set.
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 3:32 pm
by Calamity
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 3:34 pm
by redthirst
You've got to understand, UW hasn't been the top deck for what? Like 6 months now? More even?
That's completely unacceptable.
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 3:35 pm
by windstrider
Also, I hope they print some decent 1
removal in this set.
Good lord, yes. If not
.
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 3:41 pm
by Calamity
The boros champ had better be
RW
Double strike, Haste, Pro blue
2/2
Or we get some sick burn. Like, Price of Progress.
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 3:43 pm
by Calamity
from:
http://mtg-jp.com/reading/special/014282/
Armed {1}{R}
Sorcery
Target creature gain +1/+1 and double strike until end of turn.
/ <Fuse>
Dangerous {3}{G}
Sorcery
All creatures able to block target creature do so this turn.
Uncommon
These should have been instants
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 3:47 pm
by redthirst
Sorceries are gross.
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 3:50 pm
by windstrider
Sorcery-speed combat tricks are stupid.
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 3:53 pm
by zemanjaski
Being testing a lot of the mono black vampire deck. Realised that the bad cards were the vampires, and that the control shell was really good. This leads me to:
[deck]
3 Obzedat, Ghost Council
3 Staff of Nin
2 Curse of Death's Hold
4 Lingering Souls
4 Mutilate
1 Oblivion Ring
1 Sever the Bloodline
4 Sign in Blood
3 Tragic Slip
4 Tribute to Hunger
1 Ultimate Price
4 Victim of Night
4 Godless Shrine
4 Isolated Chapel
3 Plains
14 Swamp
1 Vault of the Archangel
Sideboard
1 Curse of Death's Hold
4 Duress
2 Human Frailty
1 Oblivion Ring
1 Obzedat, Ghost Council
2 Rest in Peace
2 Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
2 Underworld Connections[/deck]
Really wanted to make Liliana work but its too hard to break symmetry.
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 3:59 pm
by redthirst
I like that better, zem. I've never been a fan of Aggro decks with as few creatures as the Vampire list.
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 4:01 pm
by Calamity
I really like that list, B/W is my favorite color combo outside of R/W. I'd run it if i had the cards.
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 4:03 pm
by Dane
With all the recent spoilers, I'm feeling a decided urge to build a WBR deck...I'm thinking there's some good stuff in there.
I know, shocking right? Like everyone else didn't reach that same conclusion several weeks ago.
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 4:12 pm
by photodyer
Being testing a lot of the mono black vampire deck. Realised that the bad cards were the vampires, and that the control shell was really good. This leads me to:
Really wanted to make Liliana work but its too hard to break symmetry.
Wow...that does look more consistent. The vampire deck is nuts when it goes off (flipping Keeper), but when it doesn't, major frustration. I swapped over to Br with Dreadbore, Charm, RR and Olivia, but still it's a blowout one way or the other with little middle ground. A shame...I really wanted to have a Keeper deck work before he went out of Std.
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 4:18 pm
by hamfactorial
Day 60 mofos! I'm about to make some tasty French press coffee, courtesy of Jerry. All is right and good with the world.
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 4:26 pm
by photodyer
Day 60 mofos! I'm about to make some tasty French press coffee, courtesy of Jerry. All is right and good with the world.
Ham, that sounds really good right now...it's cold and rainy here. But, I need to take a nap before I can indulge in caffeine...just got off work for the week and need to flip back to daywalker mode. Keep a cup warm for me, ham!
Damn my useless manners... CONGRATS ON THE 60-DAY MARK!!! YOU ROCK MASTER HAMWISE!!!!
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 4:29 pm
by Valdarith
Being testing a lot of the mono black vampire deck. Realised that the bad cards were the vampires, and that the control shell was really good. This leads me to:
[deck]
3 Obzedat, Ghost Council
3 Staff of Nin
2 Curse of Death's Hold
4 Lingering Souls
4 Mutilate
1 Oblivion Ring
1 Sever the Bloodline
4 Sign in Blood
3 Tragic Slip
4 Tribute to Hunger
1 Ultimate Price
4 Victim of Night
4 Godless Shrine
4 Isolated Chapel
3 Plains
14 Swamp
1 Vault of the Archangel
Sideboard
1 Curse of Death's Hold
4 Duress
2 Human Frailty
1 Oblivion Ring
1 Obzedat, Ghost Council
2 Rest in Peace
2 Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
2 Underworld Connections[/deck]
Really wanted to make Liliana work but its too hard to break symmetry.
nThe deck is eerily similar to what I posted on MTGS in the clan thread in terms of the control base. The win cons are just different and, IMO, stronger.
Do you think 4 Mutilate is correct running eight non-Swamps?
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 4:35 pm
by redthirst
Do you think 4 Mutilate is correct running eight non-Swamps?
By the time he has 4 mana out, he should - statistically - have 3 Swamps.
That's probably enough to stem the initial bleeding enough so that your spot removal can clean up.
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 4:38 pm
by Alex
Being testing a lot of the mono black vampire deck. Realised that the bad cards were the vampires, and that the control shell was really good.
I'd probably still play
Vampire Nighthawk, sometimes in a shell like this you'll just resolve him and then beat them down over the course of a few turns, which seems like it would smooth everything out.
Also
Bloodgift Demon seems good in some number. I get that they die to Mutilate, but honestly just 1 or 2 turns with Bloodgift out puts you pretty far ahead on its own.
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 4:45 pm
by Lightning_Dolt
Being testing a lot of the mono black vampire deck. Realised that the bad cards were the vampires, and that the control shell was really good. This leads me to:
[deck]
3 Obzedat, Ghost Council
3 Staff of Nin
2 Curse of Death's Hold
4 Lingering Souls
4 Mutilate
1 Oblivion Ring
1 Sever the Bloodline
4 Sign in Blood
3 Tragic Slip
4 Tribute to Hunger
1 Ultimate Price
4 Victim of Night
4 Godless Shrine
4 Isolated Chapel
3 Plains
14 Swamp
1 Vault of the Archangel
Sideboard
1 Curse of Death's Hold
4 Duress
2 Human Frailty
1 Oblivion Ring
1 Obzedat, Ghost Council
2 Rest in Peace
2 Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
2 Underworld Connections[/deck]
Really wanted to make Liliana work but its too hard to break symmetry.
Nice list!
My only concern is Slaughter Games naming OGC. If you can't duress it away you lose.
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 4:48 pm
by Valdarith
Being testing a lot of the mono black vampire deck. Realised that the bad cards were the vampires, and that the control shell was really good.
I'd probably still play
Vampire Nighthawk, sometimes in a shell like this you'll just resolve him and then beat them down over the course of a few turns, which seems like it would smooth everything out.
I like Nighthawk too, but I think here he'd rather just be casting Tribute on turn three. It basically does the same thing Nighthawk does, which is gain you life and kill a creature. For
the late game, I can see it serving as an extra threat, but he already has Lingering Souls, Staff of Win, and Obzedat to take care of that.
Also
Bloodgift Demon seems good in some number. I get that they die to Mutilate, but honestly just 1 or 2 turns with Bloodgift out puts you pretty far ahead on its own.
Staff of Nin fills that slot and bypasses mainboard removal. It also pings for one and doesn't cost you one life every turn if you want to be the one drawing the card.
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 4:50 pm
by Valdarith
Being testing a lot of the mono black vampire deck. Realised that the bad cards were the vampires, and that the control shell was really good. This leads me to:
[deck]
3 Obzedat, Ghost Council
3 Staff of Nin
2 Curse of Death's Hold
4 Lingering Souls
4 Mutilate
1 Oblivion Ring
1 Sever the Bloodline
4 Sign in Blood
3 Tragic Slip
4 Tribute to Hunger
1 Ultimate Price
4 Victim of Night
4 Godless Shrine
4 Isolated Chapel
3 Plains
14 Swamp
1 Vault of the Archangel
Sideboard
1 Curse of Death's Hold
4 Duress
2 Human Frailty
1 Oblivion Ring
1 Obzedat, Ghost Council
2 Rest
in Peace
2 Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
2 Underworld Connections[/deck]
Really wanted to make Liliana work but its too hard to break symmetry.
Nice list! My only concern is Slaughter Games naming OGC. If you can't duress it away you lose.
Not really. He's not the only wincon in the deck. In fact, there are two more.
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 4:54 pm
by redthirst
No, it's not an auto-loss, but I'm sure you can see his point: winning the game on the backs of a ping-stick and a few 1/1 tokens is not the easiest thing in the world.
Though the deck probably has enough CA and removal to still make a game of it.
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 5:31 pm
by Dodger
That Azorius champ is just bullshit, especially with Resto. Like it was said, UW hasn't been the top deck for a few months, everybody panic.
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 5:40 pm
by Valdarith
No, it's not an auto-loss, but I'm sure you can see his point: winning the game on the backs of a ping-stick and a few 1/1 tokens is not the easiest thing in the world.
Though the deck probably has enough CA and removal to still make a game of it.
Exactly. Between the removal and card advantage the deck doesn't mind putting an opponent on a six-turn clock. Even without drawing into removal you'll often be able to activate Vault so creature presence matters less.
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 5:50 pm
by LP, of the Fires
I need to catch up on the thread after being away from several days, but it turns out my lady was crazy and we split this morning.