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I disagree. I win a lot with goblins, the only real bad matchup is auras IF they draw their armadillo cloaks. Affinity is a bit difficult but post-board i have gorilla shaman that destroy them if played correctly (1 mana repeatable stone rainIt's an okay deck, it's the closest thing the format has to RDW. It just can't compete with affinity since it has more bad matchups, in my experience even hexproof and stompy are better positioned. I would put it on par with blink decks, both are kinda rogue.
If you want to tap mountains I recommend burn, it's fairly simple and mindbogglingly consistent (I am undefeated with it in paper).
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This is the kind of response I can get behind. In my experience though my opponents are either keeping all four copies of Thoughtseize alongside Duress or are somehow getting their two copies of Thoughtseize in their opening seven.How does the burn player win? How does the black player win? How does thoughtseize affect the situation?No it's not. Learn to play (and spell).Thoughtseize is greatI'm aware, yes. That doesn't mean they're right. I see a lot of black players keeping Thoughtseize in against even burn decks. Against a deck where the opponent's cards all do the same thing (3-4 damage) that's the last card you want to play.You are aware that many high level players keep some Thoughtseize post board against red right? Hitting high value cards like your 4/4 haste creature, Skullcrack or other anti-lifegain card is a huge swing in their favor.Variance is not being kind to me tonight. Lost the first games of two straight eight mans.
Also, I'm sick of "Turn one Thoughtseize you." I'm even more sick of the baddies that keep it in against me postboard and still win.
That player which won the GP with BR actually boarded in TS against red that how strong thoughtseize is, its just all about the timing.
vs. burn decks. Quite being bad.
Burn player needs to deal 20 damage without dying to what, desecration demon/pack rat/gary. Black player needs to stabilize till he can win with aforementioned cards. Mono-black runs approximately 8 million removal spells to burns 8-12 creatures(cacklers/phoenix/YP/Dragon and dragon would probably get boarded out).
The burn player likely doesn't improve his deck much at all after board because the strat is fairly straightforward. The biggest improvement is playing 4 toil/troubles postboard assuming they aren't maindecked. The black player gets to make a bunch of changes and improves his deck massively(mostly taking out connections/erebos) and gets to add duress and additional copies of pharika's cure.
The reason having access to 2 thoughtseiz'es is still good(or great) is
because you still want 6 discard effects. If you want to be obstinate, paying two life against a burn deck "feels bad". The goal though is to win the most games of magic and thoughtseize accomplishes this. I've won all my matches vs. burn with Esper and Mono-black usually on the backs of turn 2/3 thoughtseizes taking toil/troubles which is affectively a gain 4+ for me. You don't even suffer the traditional weakenss of discard being bad top-decks since you rarely get to that point and you have pack rat. Your 1 mana disruption spells function as curve fillers(turn 1, discard, turn 2, removal, turn 3, removal+discard being an example) and additonally all of the burn players cards DON'T do the same thing. Toil, Chained to the racks, and Skullcrack are all the important cards that the black player cares about and discard is the one way to answer all of them.
You can call your opponent bad for thoughtsezing you on turn forcing your skullcrack and having him take a lightning strike(or whatever) but
in reality, he probably knew what he was doing better then you did and was setting up gray merchant to win the game.
Same applies to esper really. People get surprised when I bring in my anti-control package vs. the burn deck but it turns out sin collector, negate, and the third thoughtseize are equally great vs. Red spell based decks as they are vs. blue spell based decks.
Everything in this post is extremely on-point. Vald, sorry to say it, but you got dunked.How does the burn player win? How does the black player win? How does thoughtseize affect the situation?No it's not. Learn to play (and spell).Thoughtseize is great vs. burn decks.I'm aware, yes. That doesn't mean they're right. I see a lot of black players keeping Thoughtseize in against even burn decks. Against a deck where the opponent's cards all do the same thing (3-4 damage) that's the last card you want to play.You are aware that many high level players keep some Thoughtseize post board against red right? Hitting high value cards like your 4/4 haste creature, Skullcrack or other anti-lifegain card is a huge swing in their favor.Variance is not being kind to me tonight. Lost the first games of two straight eight mans.
Also, I'm sick of "Turn one Thoughtseize you." I'm even more sick of the baddies that keep it in against me postboard and still win.
That player which won the GP with BR actually boarded in TS against red that how strong thoughtseize is, its just all about the timing.
Quite being bad.
Burn player needs to deal 20 damage without dying to what, desecration demon/pack rat/gary. Black player needs to stabilize till he can win with aforementioned cards. Mono-black runs approximately 8 million removal spells to burns 8-12 creatures(cacklers/phoenix/YP/Dragon and dragon would probably get boarded out).
The burn player likely doesn't improve his deck much at all after board because the strat is fairly straightforward. The biggest improvement is playing 4 toil/troubles postboard assuming they aren't maindecked. The black player gets to make a bunch of changes and improves his deck massively(mostly taking out connections/erebos) and gets to add duress and additional copies of pharika's cure.
The reason having access to 2 thoughtseiz'es is still good(or great) is because you still
want 6 discard effects. If you want to be obstinate, paying two life against a burn deck "feels bad". The goal though is to win the most games of magic and thoughtseize accomplishes this. I've won all my matches vs. burn with Esper and Mono-black usually on the backs of turn 2/3 thoughtseizes taking toil/troubles which is affectively a gain 4+ for me. You don't even suffer the traditional weakenss of discard being bad top-decks since you rarely get to that point and you have pack rat. Your 1 mana disruption spells function as curve fillers(turn 1, discard, turn 2, removal, turn 3, removal+discard being an example) and additonally all of the burn players cards DON'T do the same thing. Toil, Chained to the racks, and Skullcrack are all the important cards that the black player cares about and discard is the one way to answer all of them.
You can call your opponent bad for thoughtsezing you on turn forcing your skullcrack and having him take a lightning strike(or whatever) but in reality, he
probably knew what he was doing better then you did and was setting up gray merchant to win the game.
Same applies to esper really. People get surprised when I bring in my anti-control package vs. the burn deck but it turns out sin collector, negate, and the third thoughtseize are equally great vs. Red spell based decks as they are vs. blue spell based decks.
Stompy absolutely forces you control, that deck is nothing but beats, and almost can't play control. I didn't say you couldn't beat affinity, what I meant was that affinity generally does better, in fact it's one of the three pillars of the format (MUC, MBC, Affinity), you do have the advantage that everyone is not packing a bunch of sideboard tools for you, but affinity is surprisingly good at fighting through hate. And I haven't seen a goblin deck be nearly as consistent as burn, seriously, if I haven't won with burn byI disagree. I win a lot with goblins, the only real bad matchup is auras IF they draw their armadillo cloaks. Affinity is a bit difficult but post-board i have gorilla shaman that destroy them if played correctly (1 mana repeatable stone rain
it's an even matchup where i must take the control role. Regarding consistency , goblins get to play 8 goblin sledder and 8 mogg conscripts, so it is more or less as consistent as burn.
I must mention that i don't play online, but in paper because my lgs organize pauper events quite often especially during summer.
Maybe i can write a pauper goblins primer here if i have time
this is true but the power level of theros block compared to those blocks is insanely weak, the devotion decks are allThe power level of this standard is pretty even, so it's fine. Caw-Blade and Delver were fine before wotc fucked up the third set of the respective block, printing absurd cards for the already best deck (Batterskull and Restoration Angel respectively).
Caw-Blade was one of four tier 1 decks prior to Batterskull (also Mono Red with Koth; Boros Landfall and RUG Control). UW Delver was the best deck, but Wolf Run Ramp, Drownyard Control, GR Aggro, Naya Pod and BR Zombies were all great decks. So formats are really only lame if the best deck gets an absurd toy and so far they've avoided that in the last year. Time will tell.
The participation playmat was thoughtseize. I sold to my round 5 opponent, (the pro player from Malaysia) for ¥6500. He told me a sob story about having the mat from every GP he's been to this year and missing that one. I felt bad and agreed to sell it to him. It worked out for me since it paid for the mat I really wanted and then some. I like to think it bought me a little karma / good luck too.Johnny, I just read through your tourney report, and I must agree that that is the sweetest GP playmat I've ever seen.
Good to see ya, Mr.5!I think that thinking for yourself is the most wonderful gift of all.
Flippant or not you don'tGood to see ya, Mr.5!I think that thinking for yourself is the most wonderful gift of all.
But I see your point... I dunno, I always have a tough time making decisions like that. I also don't have a huge amount of experience at tournaments, so I figured asking people who do wouldn't be a terrible idea.
I mean, at a 6-8 round tournament with a top8, what's better: power or consistency?
That's kinda a core question.
Edit: Not sure what to say in response to that, JS... Beyond offering you an internet high-five.
Thoughtseize should have been in Modern Masters.this is true but the power level of theros block compared to those blocks is insanely weak, the devotion decks are all limited cards and cheap mythics. it is hard to imagine stronger cards will not follow and potentially repeat history.The power level of this standard is pretty even, so it's fine. Caw-Blade and Delver were fine before wotc fucked up the third set of the respective block, printing absurd cards for the already best deck (Batterskull and Restoration Angel respectively).
Caw-Blade was one of four tier 1 decks prior to Batterskull (also Mono Red with Koth; Boros Landfall and RUG Control). UW Delver was the best deck, but Wolf Run Ramp, Drownyard Control, GR Aggro, Naya Pod and BR Zombies were all great decks. So formats are really only lame if the best deck gets an absurd toy and so far they've avoided that
in the last year. Time will tell.
that said i would rather play in this standard than one with cards like ponder and delver running around together. that's legacy magic. standard doesn't need that shit.
and i didn't want thoughtseize back either.
He's learning, man. Of course, I understand your PoV completely. I do, and I respect that. But don't you think that's a little harsh? Raida wants to learn and become as good as you, which is definitely no easy feat. A lot of people look up to you, for better or for worse, in the world of Magic. Remember that Raida is one of us, not some filthy Travis Woo that wants you to spoonfeed strategy to so he can call it his own.I won't take lip from someone who only takes.
), but I sometimes wonder if any of the youngbloods know that yet. They're in for a ride lolChaucer's mead is truly nectar of the gods!Hope you're all feeling peachy, friends.