[Fedoras of Salvation] - White Knights ITT

[Sasky]

http://hahgay.com/

[TubeHunter]

Too bad alex, I'm always a fan of anyone taking a proverbial dump on Todd Anderson.

[windstrider]

I wish I could champion FoS with my Planeswalker points this time around at the prerelease instead of House Dimir

I recently switched my allegiance to Rakdos. <<shrug>>

[Link]

The Gruul needs more freedom lovin champions to break the 1 million point mark.

[windstrider]

So which cards are you looking forward to trying out in Dragon's Maze?

[Christen]

Gruul War Chant.

[hamfactorial]

Mountain!

That aside, I think Possibility Storm is a fun looking card that I'd enjoy making a troll deck with.

[zemanjaski]

Master of Cruelties combo.

[Link]

getting sucked into EDH with Ruric Thar

[zemanjaski]

Too bad alex, I'm always a fan of anyone taking a proverbial dump on Todd Anderson.

Figurative? Literal?

[Jack]

getting sucked into EDH with Ruric Thar

Good for you! Its a great format which requires very little monetary investment to succeed in, unlike many others.

[TubeHunter]

Too bad alex, I'm always a fan of anyone taking a proverbial dump on Todd Anderson.

Figurative? Literal?

Well Figurative of course, although I wouldn't be opposed to literal.

[Valdarith]

I've also gotten into EDH. Two games in and I'm already hooked. You can do so many cool things and every game is different since you're playing nothing but one ofs. I love my Savra deck. I posted the list in the Multiplayer EDH section if anyone is interested. It's effective in 1v1 as well.

[Valdarith]

So I'm watching CeddyP stream his Jund midrange deck. Four Bonfires? Haha wow. Here's his list

[deck]
4 Arbor Elf
4 Gyre Sage
4 Burning Tree Emissary
4 Flinthoof Boar
3 Borderland Ranger
4 Falkenrath Aristocrat
4 Ghor-Clan Rampager
4 Thundermaw Hellkite

4 Bonfire of the Damned
2 Dreadbore

23 Lands

Sideboard (15)
2 Ground Seal
3 Pillar of Flame
2 Domri Rade
1 Zealous Conscripts
2 Abrupt Decay
2 Huntmaster of the Fells
1 Rakdos' Return
2 Garruk Relentless
[/deck]

[photodyer]

^I posted it the other day and heard no comments...his argument is that Hellrider generally swings once at most before running into something or getting blown up. Thus, Aristocrat and Thundermaw to go over the top of everything. Tmaw is awesome right now against LS-running decks that are prevalent in the format. He also commented that he's eschewing 1-drops (other than Elf ramp) because they are terrible long-game topdecks and a headache against Azorius Charm.

His sideboard has changed significantly since SCG Seattle this past weekend...he's obviously pulling a lot from Big Daddy Jund.

[Kazekirimaru]

I've also gotten into EDH. Two games in and I'm already hooked. You can do so many cool things and every game is different since you're playing nothing but one ofs. I love my Savra deck. I posted the list in the Multiplayer EDH section if anyone is interested. It's effective in 1v1 as well.

I've yet to get into EDH, though I want to. I just don't really know how to get started.

[Christen]

I need tips for effective shuffling. It might just be variance hitting me hard last night, but either I was screwed or flooding on a 21-land list. My usual shuffling involves pile shuffling, to riffle, to multiple cuts.

[Khaospawn]

Gonna use Master of Cruelties in my Kaalia EDH deck for a one-shot kill. Sire of Insanity is for the multiplayer deck. Fuck yeah.

[photodyer]

I like the new goblins...what do y'all think of this?

Dega DarkHammer

Spike Jester
Ash Zealot
Pyrewild Shaman
Boros Reckoner
Midnight Haunting
Falkenrath Aristocrat
Hellrider
Thundermaw Hellkite

Boros Charm
Pillar of Flame
Weapon Surge

The main themes are haste/pseudohaste, evasion and indestructability. Charm of course grants indestructable, but with a Bloodrushed Shaman on a flyer could create a huge double-strike swing. Credit to both Alex and the original Dos Rakis team for ideas borrowed.

I can see playing Hounds in the side, as well as KoI if GW resurfaces or UW variants other than red start ascending.

Just early musings...please tear it down and cut/paste as appropriate.

[Khaospawn]

So I'm watching CeddyP stream his Jund midrange deck. Four Bonfires? Haha wow. Here's his list

[deck]
4 Arbor Elf
4 Gyre Sage
4 Burning Tree Emissary
4 Flinthoof Boar
3 Borderland Ranger
4 Falkenrath Aristocrat
4 Ghor-Clan Rampager
4 Thundermaw Hellkite

4 Bonfire of the Damned
2 Dreadbore

23 Lands

Sideboard (15)
2 Ground Seal
3 Pillar of Flame
2 Domri Rade
1 Zealous Conscripts
2 Abrupt Decay
2 Huntmaster of the Fells
1 Rakdos' Return
2 Garruk Relentless
[/deck]

It's a Sledgehammer, alright.

[Jack]

I've also gotten into EDH. Two games in and I'm already hooked. You can do so many cool things and every game is different since you're playing nothing but one ofs. I love my Savra deck. I posted the list in the Multiplayer EDH section if anyone is interested. It's effective in 1v1 as well.

I've yet to get into EDH, though I want to. I just don't really know how to get started.

Do you not have people to play with, or do you not know where to get started with cards? If you spend a few hours on Sally's EDH forum (which is typically very good; the people
there seem to know much more about EDH deckbuilding than competitive Magic), you'll probably get a feel for how to start building a deck for the format, and there are also a few very good primers for specific generals.

[zemanjaski]

I've also gotten into EDH. Two games in and I'm already hooked. You can do so many cool things and every game is different since you're playing nothing but one ofs. I love my Savra deck. I posted the list in the Multiplayer EDH section if anyone is interested. It's effective in 1v1 as well.

I've yet to get into EDH, though I want to. I just don't really know how to get started.

Actually, just Michael Jacob ~ an actually good player

[Link]

I need tips for effective shuffling. It might just be variance hitting me hard last night, but either I was screwed or flooding on a 21-land list. My usual shuffling involves pile shuffling, to riffle, to multiple cuts.

I don't pile shuffle. Like, not once the entire night. I seem to always get good hands lately, I think I've mulliganed once or twice in the past... let's count... 11 rounds I've played. I've flooded two or three times and lost because of it, but that's pretty natural variance to me. Especially when flooding to me is 5-6 mana (aka more mana than I have a CMC for in my deck).

I just riffle, riffle, and riffle some more. Let the other guy try and cut it up. I think this is the article that lead me to doing that:


Its worked great for me so far. Also when I scoop up my cards, weave my lands with my GY and board state so that I'm not trying to undo a 4-6 land clump.

[Link]

I like the new goblins...what do y'all think of this?

Dega DarkHammer

Spike Jester
Ash Zealot
Pyrewild Shaman
Boros Reckoner
Midnight Haunting
Falkenrath Aristocrat
Hellrider
Thundermaw Hellkite

Boros Charm
Pillar of Flame
Weapon Surge

The main themes are haste/pseudohaste, evasion and indestructability. Charm of course grants indestructable, but with a Bloodrushed Shaman on a flyer could create a huge double-strike swing. Credit to both Alex and the original Dos Rakis team for ideas borrowed.

I can see playing Hounds in the side, as well as KoI if GW resurfaces or UW variants other than red start ascending.

Just early musings...please tear it down and cut/paste as appropriate.

Seems a helluva lot funner to play
than the other tri-color aggro deck out there.

Then again you can't cavern of souls as profitably to mana fix, which I see as being your biggest problem.

Maybe Lightning mauler over ash zealot?

[Helios]

I riffle shuffle. It's honestly the best way. You can weave the corners together, and waterfall back. Doesn't cause any bends in the cards, to the best of my knowledge.

Sad day, he found out I work for SCG. I'm getting yelled at via Google Voice as I type this.

Tell them what he does on his stream. If they're going to allow him to publicly do that, and punish you for a much less offensive joke (that you even prefaced with "obligatory joke"), then there's no way that's ok. Granted, it was immature of you too begin with, but if you were acting like a teenager he's acting like a damn toddler.

Someone needs to record his next stream and send it to whoever at SCG employs him.

[Link]

^I posted it the other day and heard no comments...his argument is that Hellrider generally swings once at most before running into something or getting blown up. Thus, Aristocrat and Thundermaw to go over the top of everything. Tmaw is awesome right now against LS-running decks that are prevalent in the format. He also commented that he's eschewing 1-drops (other than Elf ramp) because they are terrible long-game topdecks and a headache against Azorius Charm.

His sideboard has changed significantly since SCG Seattle this past weekend...he's obviously pulling a lot from Big Daddy Jund.

I commented!

He also said that the mana is much better for 3 colors than 2.

Which is true, hellrider being double RR and Silverheart being GG
with Wolf Run was pretty ambitious, especially since that list didn't run Borderland rangers to get mountains.

The thing with his deck is...

I'm starting to wonder how necessary BTE is. It allows for Gyre Sage -> BTE+Boar double evolve goodness, and also BTE-> Aristocrat with sac outlet after a board wipe...

Ok maybe it is good. I do think it might be the weakest link for that deck though.

That's a good point about 1-drops though... Valadarith you should add that to your stonewright thread. Yet another reason to be playing stonewright, the only 1-drop with pseudo-haste that doesn't get hurt by azo charms.

[photodyer]

My apologies, Fate...I must have missed your post (or my aging brain is suffering short-term memory loss).

Wait...what was I saying?

I agree that BTE isn't a star in the deck, but it does help with the mana a bit and provides fodder for Aristocrat in a deck that doesn't want to sac many of its creatures. I also agree that SW doesn't fit the 1-drop "ban" as he's more of a pump spell than a dude much of the time and thus not a typical T1 play.

As to the deck I posted, I thought about Mauler, but wouldn't have many meaningful targets in the deck. Also, as the deck would be red-biased, Zealot isn't an issue to cast:

4 Blood Crypt
4 Dragonskull Summit
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Clifftop Retreat
2 Godless Shrine
6 Mountain

The deck could easily run Slayers' Stronghold or Vault of the Archangel as well.

[Christen]

I pile shuffle usually for counting my cards at the beginning of a match. I should riffle shuffle more then.

[Kazekirimaru]

I usually weave my deck a few times, then pile shuffle once before each round.

[Kazekirimaru]

I've also gotten into EDH. Two games in and I'm already hooked. You can do so many cool things and every game is different since you're playing nothing but one ofs. I love my Savra deck. I posted the list in the Multiplayer EDH section if anyone is interested. It's effective in 1v1 as well.

I've yet to get into EDH, though I want to. I just don't really know how to get started.

Do you not
have people to play with, or do you not know where to get started with cards? If you spend a few hours on Sally's EDH forum (which is typically very good; the people there seem to know much more about EDH deckbuilding than competitive Magic), you'll probably get a feel for how to start building a deck for the format, and there are also a few very good primers for specific generals.

Cards, mainly. I like blue and red. I don't particularly like Niv-Mizzet. Tibor and Lumia looks cool to me, but I wouldn't know how to really build or play a deck rather than mimic off the internet.

[windstrider]

I'm liking the Spike Jester goblin. I predict good things from that guy. It's Rakdos Shred-freak on steroids.

Carnage Gladiator is rather intriguing as well.

[photodyer]

I'm liking the Spike Jester goblin. I predict good things from that guy. It's Rakdos Shred-freak on steroids.

Carnage Gladiator is rather intriguing as well.

I don't know if Gladiator is playable in Standard, but he would certainly have everyone breaking out scratch paper every combat step!

[windstrider]

I'm liking the Spike Jester goblin. I predict good things from that guy. It's Rakdos Shred-freak on steroids.

Carnage Gladiator is rather intriguing as well.

I don't know if Gladiator is playable in Standard, but he would certainly have everyone breaking out scratch paper every combat step!

Gladiator would certainly be interesting alongside [card]Hellrider[/card:
12i12ejx]. And Pyreheart Wolf.

[Platypus]

I need tips for effective shuffling. It might just be variance hitting me hard last night, but either I was screwed or flooding on a 21-land list. My usual shuffling involves pile shuffling, to riffle, to multiple cuts.

I don't pile shuffle. Like, not once the entire night. I seem to always get good hands lately, I think I've mulliganed once or twice in the past... let's count... 11 rounds I've played. I've flooded two or three times and lost because of it, but that's pretty natural variance to me. Especially when flooding to me is 5-6 mana (aka more mana than I have a CMC for in my
deck).

I just riffle, riffle, and riffle some more. Let the other guy try and cut it up. I think this is the article that lead me to doing that:
http://fivewithflores.com/2009/05/how-to-cheat/

Its worked great for me so far. Also when I scoop up my cards, weave my lands with my GY and board state so that I'm not trying to undo a 4-6 land clump.

Thanks for that link! That's the reason why you should always shuffle your opponent's deck, always. Cutting is not enough.

[Alex]

So I'm lending out some of the cards in my old boros list for a week or two. I assembled this to play in the meantime, but it feels like I am probably just playing a strictly worse version of a BTE deck. Maybe not? I don't know. I'm calling it Balls Deep Boros.

[deck]Balls Deep Boros.[/deck]

The deck is really good at simply turning dudes sideways. I noticed that any game where you slam Lightning Mauler directly into Frontline Medic, you usually win. Instigator Gang
is also a beating as your top-end, because once your hand is empty you're basically just pushing all of your mana into lands/stonewright, so he flips pretty handily.

Firemane Avenger is also pretty good in a list with Lightning Maulers. I was shocked at how good, actually.

I don't know, the deck requires no skill to play and you just turn your guys sideways in the general direction of your opponent. It's not great but it doesn't seem horrid either.

[hamfactorial]

I need tips for effective shuffling. It might just be variance hitting me hard last night, but either I was screwed or flooding on a 21-land list. My usual shuffling involves pile shuffling, to riffle, to multiple cuts.

I don't pile shuffle. Like, not once the entire night. I seem to always get good hands lately, I think I've mulliganed once or twice in the past... let's count... 11 rounds I've played. I've flooded two or three times and lost because of it, but that's pretty natural variance to me. Especially when flooding to me is 5-6 mana (aka more mana than I have a CMC for in my
deck).

I just riffle, riffle, and riffle some more. Let the other guy try and cut it up. I think this is the article that lead me to doing that:
http://fivewithflores.com/2009/05/how-to-cheat/

Its worked great for me so far. Also when I scoop up my cards, weave my lands with my GY and board state so that I'm not trying to undo a 4-6 land clump.

I pile shuffle at the start of every game to make sure I have 60 cards in my deck. After that, I simply do a bunch of rounds of the following -

1. Riffle shuffle (or overhand shuffle if using sleeves)
2. Riffle shuffle
3. Running cut - take a small pile from the top of the deck, put on table. Take another small pile, place on top of deck on table, repeat until deck is on table.
4. GOTO 1

You'll often see poker dealers doing running cuts on a new deck after they open it up. I took this from them.

I'll do at least 5 rounds
of 2 riffle + 1 running cut, then a final riffle and hand it to my opponent.

I pay attention to my opponent when he's pile shuffling, but mostly to count his cards to make sure he's running 60. If he counts out less than 60, I call a judge. If he counts out more than 60, I'll ask to count out his sideboard, too. If he's screwing around, free game win. Weeeeee!

In casual games, I've had people meticulously pile shuffle, mana weave and double nickle right in front of me. I just let them waste time and then destroy their careful manipulation with a few riffle shuffles after they give it to me for a cut.

[Christen]

On another topic of shuffling, I've encountered a lot of players do this when they presented the opponent's deck. They shuffle it normally, then take 7 cards off the top and put it on the bottom. Some take 7 random cards from the deck after shuffling a bit, set it aside, shuffle the remaining, then put that 7 on top (they basically took your opening hand for you). I don't have qualms on this kind of cut usually since it's still pretty random, but is it legal?

Also, I'm not completely sure about how the last cut rule works. Anybody care to elaborate?

[Sasky]

I'm actually one of the few who really hate EDH. I've tried it and hate how long turns take, how much people complain about "unfair" decks and commanders, how people tend to rattle off about some sick combo that no one really cares about, how messy things become, and how confusing things can turn into.

I still play EDH occasionally, but only drafted from my cube. I find the plays fairer and less boring for everyone as everyone is on the same power level and no one is playing confusing interactions or taking forever with their turns.

[Sasky]

[quote="[url=viewtopic.php?p=56567#p56567:16gg1fla]Christen » Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:19 pm[/url:16gg1fla]":16gg1fla]On another topic of shuffling, I've encountered a lot of players do this when they presented the opponent's deck. They shuffle it normally, then take 7 cards off the top and put it on the bottom. Some take 7 random cards from the deck after shuffling a bit, set it aside, shuffle the remaining, then put that 7 on top (they basically took your opening hand for you). I don't have qualms on this kind of cut usually since it's still pretty random, but is it legal?

Also, I'm not completely sure about how the last cut rule works. Anybody care to elaborate?[/quote:16gg1fla]

I've called judges on this. The judge warned my opponent not to do it again. It is really annoying, and all the Filipino players at my LGS do it.

[zemanjaski]

^ I wouldn't let someone do that to me. Seems super suspect.