I'm so over this game already.
Here's where we stand:
No one's posting.
The one person under fire for being scum is me, but the only person who's made an actual attempt to make a case is having RL issues and will possibly have to replace out. Other than that's it been either people saying I'm scum and voting me, or people saying I'm not scum and voting people for voting me. Sounds about right for a Mafia game.
1. rezombad - Is he in this game? Post moar. (Literally hasn't posted once yet.)
2. ( G_R ) - Obligatory vote on Stardust in post 7; thought Huntz killed RVS per post 15; questions Stardust's voting habits in post 24; unvotes in post 25; explains suspicions of Stardust in post 49.
Good start to a solid GR Town game. I'm not concerned with him for the time being.
3. Pedrobear - Votes me in post 16 in the hopes I'll be resurrected because he's a sadist; "TCHOO TCHOO" in post 27.
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4. Stardust - Random vote on MJ in post 11; Compliments the high quality wagon on me in post 18, but for the record, there were two random and one Tordeck vote on me at the time of this post; tells GR voting wagons is more fun than voting non-wagons in post 26, then adds, "Besides, Manders is actually scum," but has yet to explain why; notices he missed Pedrobear's vote and that he put me @ L-2 in post 28; "Not even just a little claim?" in post 30 in response to me stating I will not claim; "Wagon me timbers!
" in post 47.
This is all very uncharacteristic for Stardust. I'm with Ham when he states that Stardust's too careful a player to have missed that he put me at L-2. Everything he's posted is bothering me. I can't put my finger on it. It's not enough to make me think he's Scum, but I'm not convinced he's Town. I'll be watching him.
5. Manders -
6. MoJo - Mod vote in post 5 (first actual post of the game) and nothing since.
None of this is uncharacteristic for kpaca as any alignment. Null.
7. Huntzilla - Votes kpaca (sorry, guys, I'll never change his name, he's always kpaca) because he dislikes mod votes in post 9; supports my decision not to claim in post 32 and states he didn't mean to end RVS, adding his vote on kpaca
was random despite its' crappiness; made a correction in post 33; asks if Pedro's talking about Planechase Mafia with wanting to resurrect me in post 38; proposes modgaming/claiming bullcrap in post 39; after two negative responses to his proposal, he resigns, stating "Just checking," in post 43.
**Raise your hands if you'd figured out this is the scum I was talking about in my first post. And, yes, I still think he's scum. **
HUNTZILLA: answer these questions in your next post:
Why did you decide to propose claiming anything so quickly (RL time span 5 hours 22 mins) after supporting my refusal to claim?
How many games have you played in and where?
Why were 2 opinions about your proposal (one of which was LITERALLY "No.") enough to dissuade you that you might have a good idea? If you had the ability to kill someone RIGHT NOW, who would you kill?
8. Tordeck - Votes kpaca for "obvious reasons" in post 6; votes me for stating I found a scum IMO in post 13, stating it's a nefarious "bullshit gambit"; In response to me asking him why he's overreacting, "Oh sweetpea, you know me better than that." in post 22; states RL's interfering with his ability to play and he won't return until at least Monday in post 31; when I provided logic in response to his accusation that I'm pulling a "bullshit gambit," he stated that there's any number of reasons he could be right while ignoring the reasons I gave for him being wrong, stating "There are any number of reason why your meta could have changed in the last 2-3 years since we played together. I have no idea why you would do it but that is what it looked like to me.", then goes on to state that if we mass claim anything on Day 1, he will replace out.
So to provide a little bit of history: Tordeck and I haven't actually played in that many games together, but we're friends and have spent countless hours communicating outside of forums. We came from the same Mafia forum (Sally) and he did have access to read lots of games I was in (I plan to re-create my Mafia history soon, maybe today). HOWEVER, to the best of my recollection, Tordeck's never been exceptionally good at reading me. (Honestly, no one is.) But I don't change my play style. I don't attempt gambits and I very rarely lie, even as scum. I'm a terrible liar, and am QUITE aware of it. In fact, Seppel once stated that I'm "Honest to the point it's detrimental to her" (paraphrased). When I asked him for clarification, he said it meant that I
won't lie, even if it'll hurt me not to.
I find it hard to believe Tordeck actually believes I may have changed my playstyle in the years since we last played together (nevermind the fact I haven't played in a lot of games since that time myself period) simply because he knows me personally. (As personal as one can via internet/phone.) If I've never run a gambit as Town (which I haven't, I assure you), it makes no sense for me to decide to try to do so as Scum. I'm TERRIBLE playing as Scum (though have gotten lucky a few times) and spend the entire game scared crapless because I know I'm terrible playing as Scum. There is absolutely NO LOGIC that explains why I would try to run a gambit as Scum, yet this appears to be the basis for his suspicions. And yet, despite all this, I don't think he's Scum. As he knows me, I know him, and he's aggressive and paranoid as Town. This totally fits his MO. Just sucks he's decided to focus on me for stupid ass reasons. And, yes, I know I said I'm watching him and, rest assured, I still am. I recognize I could be wrong here, but at this time, I don't believe he's Scum, just wrong.
9. RedNihilist - Voted Ham out of love in post 8; asked me to explain why Tordeck's reaction is overreacting in post 17; when I tell him it's because I know Tordeck, we get this, "Pardon me, but I can't trust that as a fact. I just see Tordeck pointing out the fact that you're not following your statement with an appropriate vote, then voting you for that, and that just seems ok to me at this early point of the game. Why don't you just tell me what I'm missing?" in post 20. That's it from him, but guess what? I'm pretty sure he's Town. (And since HE was the Scum I pinpointed in my first post during the last game, surely you guys can accept that for now?) He's active (for him anyway) and asking good questions. I know I told him to butt out and let Tordeck defend himself if he felt the desire to, but I'm glad he was concerned and questioned it because it showed a sincere interest in the well-being of the game, which he didn't really do last game. Not a lot, anyway. It's still early, and he could change my mind, but I have no interest in him for the time being.
10. Ham - Voted me because I have a vagina in post 10; "RVS claims are silly, stop being silly dudes." in post 35 in response to me being @ L-2 and refusing to claim, but didn't remove his vote; in post 45, in response to Stardust stating he didn't realize Pedrobear had voted for me, he says, "Stardust you so silly. You're the most careful mafia player around, I doubt you missed anything." and laughs @ Stardust's "Not even just a little claim?", then unvotes and vote Stardust in post 46; makes a random, silly post about wagons in post 48.
I have no opinion that I care to share on Ham until he answers the following question:
Ham, why didn't you unvote when you said claiming was silly? You make it seem as if you disagree with me being pushed to claim range, yet you left me there. Why?
There, a summary of everyone's posts so far and my thoughts. Now can we get some fucking posts in this game and play?
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