[Fedoras of Salvation] - White Knights ITT

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:25 pm

No, I think it's a bad format when Aggro, Combo, control and midrange are not represented.

I think it's a bad format when you have to play a certain colour to be competitive.

I think it's a bad format when I am unable to find any decks I enjoy playing.
You realize that given Wizards largely designs set so combo ISN'T viable in standard, I guess every standard season since time spiral (ignoring post banning Zendikar-Scars) has been bad as well.

Thus, the only good format is edh

Aggro is not represented in EDH really. I am finding that cube draft is my favourite format right now.

Khaospawn · Postby **Khaospawn** » Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:26 pm

Kaalia of the Vast isn't aggro enough for you?

Khaospawn · Postby **Khaospawn** » Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:26 pm

Voltron Rafiq isn't aggro enough?

Khaospawn · Postby **Khaospawn** » Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:27 pm

Random Ruhan isn't - you get the point, right?

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:27 pm

It doesn't do anything until like T3 at earliest lol.

Pedros · Postby **Pedros** » Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:27 pm

I finished 4-1-2 on my WMCQ with this crazy deck I posted, it work REALLY well. Good combination of removal, interuption, fast clock. However...

had 2 non intentional draws round 2 and 3. Round 2 was playing vs friend playing jund planeswalkers. Game 1 took like 20 minutes, game 2 like 25 minutes. Mega grindy stuff, numerous back and forth from both sides (putrefy spear in combat, charming token to kill courser, tricks on turn/burn, izzet charm on rakdos return, fighting numberous removal spells etc.) We didnt start a 3rd game.

Round 3 playing vs Mono U. Game 1 I lost in 5 minutes, he had weird into specter into 2 masters, I get rid of all masters tokens (with my tokens with spear etc), however he killed me with this specter and then raptor and familiar. Game 2 took 40 minutes. I got really ahead around turn 5, had 3 goats, ajani, brimaz, spear, dictate, attacked him down to 5 life while I had 40. He however dnt condece
but started to put 2 masters, hall of triumph (so killing tokens did nothing and I couldnt overload mortars to get rid of weirds). We played draw go for ~10 turns, he attacking with specter me getting life from goats. He go my spells, I got lands. Finally managed to get overloaded mortars with selesnya charm to kill him. We got 5 minutes, I fast shuffled my agro cards (after game counted had 63 cards in md, didnt have time to resideboard). We both muliganed. I had turn 2 YP, turn 3 RtA into stoke, turn 4 2nd YP and burn his blocker. Got him to 2 on last possible terminate round, he had no board, 2 lands, I had brimaz in hand and spear on top (I had 16 outs to kill him last possible turn, missed everything drawing brimaz). He didnt concede...

I then (and before on 1st round) beat: burn (2-0), black green (2-0), blue white sphere control (2-0) and black white (2-0). I then had 14 points, had to play last round to go to the top 8. (had really good tiebreakers, I was paired up every round. My tierbreakers
were around 70%).

I then lost 0-2 vs Planar cleansing blue white control. Game 1 got him to 2 life 3 times (he used charm lifelink on mutavaults twice) and couldnt find anything in 5 draws to kill him (we were both topdecking, I countered his revelations with izzet charm). Game 2 kept 3 rabblemaster, spear of heliod and 3 lands hand. Didnt do a single point of damage, he had 3 last breaths...

I stayed watching top 8 as my friend (the one I had a draw round 2, he then also got 2nd draw around round 5, managed to get onto top

was battling same guy with UW control. He cast 4 thoughtseizes turn 1 and 2 both games, and his opponent had everything, couldnt distrupt or punish everything. Something was fishy...

In semifinals he then got rewarded of game loose by drawing extra cards. On turn 3 on a draw he had 11 cards total. He passed a turn with 8 cards, 7 visible to an opponent, 8th horizontal kept by his thumb. After
someone noticed this and said it to a judge, he shuffled everything (lands and hand) together and said cards were probably sticked together.

I am not saying he cheated in my game or in game vs friend in top 8. He is great player, played really well and optimal. However his reaction was really intriguing (he started to look around asking "who is this fucking squealer", so something might have happened before. vs me game 2 he had 3 Goats, 3 Dissolves (4rd was on a bottom with scry), dispel, 2 negates, 2 verdicts, 1 planar cleansing and 3 last breaths with only 1 divination, 1 jace (drawing 2 cards) and 1 revelation for 4...

Deck was working really well, manabase was awsome. I will try to play black with red and white (dont know if 4rd color is needed, however really liked those negates, turn/burns, izzet charms along Keranos and Ephara. Those cards just give so much options...)

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:28 pm

EDH is a combo / control format. Always has been. Aggro is not something that works in multiplayer.

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:29 pm

It would be nice if each klan in khans has a viable deck in standard.

Khaospawn · Postby **Khaospawn** » Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:30 pm

The Ku Klux Klan from Khans is just triple White.

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:31 pm

I'm trying to find a deck I like in modern. Hopefully khans has some modern viable stuff.

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:31 pm

The Ku Klux Klan from Khans is just triple White.

Typo. Omg.

Khaospawn · Postby **Khaospawn** » Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:32 pm

I meant to say that. :scrump:

TBuzzsaw · Postby **TBuzzsaw** » Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:45 pm

I really want to go either Mono Red or Black aggro when Khans comes out, but it'll depend on what else gets spoiled. They both look so good right now.

Also anyone check out the art: http://imgur.com/a/02NJH#53 The lands look really good compared to the fucking awful Theros ones.

BlakLanner · Postby **BlakLanner** » Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:57 pm

Watch those Invi finals again and tell me that Legacy isn't interactive.

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Mon Sep 01, 2014 12:04 am

Interactive, skilful, complex, expensive; yes to all of these.

Fair? Fun? Accessible? Balanced? Not so much

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Mon Sep 01, 2014 12:05 am

I really want to go either Mono Red or Black aggro when Khans comes out, but it'll depend on what else gets spoiled. They both look so good right now.

Also anyone check out the art: http://imgur.com/a/02NJH#53 The lands look really good compared to the fucking awful Theros ones.

Think those are snow covered lands?

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Mon Sep 01, 2014 12:10 am

I really want to go either Mono Red or Black aggro when Khans comes out, but it'll depend on what else gets spoiled. They both look so good right now.

Also anyone check out the art: http://imgur.com/a/02NJH#53 The lands look really good compared to the fucking awful Theros ones.

Looking forward to playing Mardu.

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Mon Sep 01, 2014 12:12 am

Lots to be excited about in Khans.

TBuzzsaw · Postby **TBuzzsaw** » Mon Sep 01, 2014 12:50 am

I really like Raid as a mechanic. Some really interesting things can come out of it.

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Mon Sep 01, 2014 1:07 am

Have to see if there are any pushed / aggressively costed ones.

Second Harkius · Postby **Second Harkius** » Mon Sep 01, 2014 1:16 am

did I just miss an argument between the "i have a legacy deck therefore i like legacy" crowd versus the "i can't afford legacy so it sucks and isn't interactive" crowd???

Second Harkius · Postby **Second Harkius** » Mon Sep 01, 2014 1:17 am

Legacy will last as long as SCG props it up, the same way they prop up the floundering careers of once prominent MTG pros who now can't win a damn thing.

Second Harkius · Postby **Second Harkius** » Mon Sep 01, 2014 1:18 am

I see you Suga
Failin to post spoilers
Failin to post spoilers

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Mon Sep 01, 2014 1:25 am

did I just miss an argument between the "i have a legacy deck therefore i like legacy" crowd versus the "i can't afford legacy so it sucks and isn't interactive" crowd???

I can afford legacy. Doesn't change a damn thing.

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Mon Sep 01, 2014 1:27 am

I have most modern staples, doesn't change my distaste for that format either.

Tyrael · Postby **Tyrael** » Mon Sep 01, 2014 1:30 am

But then why do you own them?

I would just sell them and buy something useful with the money

Second Harkius · Postby **Second Harkius** » Mon Sep 01, 2014 1:31 am

the more expensive a format is to break into, the more elitist the playerbase.

Second Harkius · Postby **Second Harkius** » Mon Sep 01, 2014 1:31 am

it's like hearing music hipsters argue about the merits of vinyl records compared to CDs

Tyrael · Postby **Tyrael** » Mon Sep 01, 2014 1:33 am

Well CDs do have shit audio because it's compressed to shit

listen to a lossless format instead

DroppinSuga · Postby **DroppinSuga** » Mon Sep 01, 2014 1:35 am

I see you Suga
Failin to post spoilers
Failin to post spoilers

I see you spam.

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Mon Sep 01, 2014 1:36 am

But then why do you own them?

I would just sell them and buy something useful with the money

I'm hoping they'll fix things / bring balance to the format.

I also like having a deck if my friends want to go to a modern / legacy / trios tournament.

Second Harkius · Postby **Second Harkius** » Mon Sep 01, 2014 1:36 am

I see you Suga
Failin to post spoilers
Failin to post spoilers
I see you spam.

I'm getting a #StillSore vibe.

DroppinSuga · Postby **DroppinSuga** » Mon Sep 01, 2014 1:37 am

I'm not sure where there is an imbalance in Modern?

DroppinSuga · Postby **DroppinSuga** » Mon Sep 01, 2014 1:38 am

I see you Suga
Failin to post spoilers
Failin to post spoilers
I see you spam.
I'm getting a #StillSore vibe.

It's more #ImTooTiredToCare right now vibe.

I was going to post about Sorin, but someone beat me to it. I'm not going to post spoiler threads for the commons. They're boring.

TBuzzsaw · Postby **TBuzzsaw** » Mon Sep 01, 2014 1:45 am

Now I'm thinking if I should consider Big Red with a base (so far) of Generator Servant, Sarkhan, SBD, and Anger.

Alex · Postby **Alex** » Mon Sep 01, 2014 1:57 am

But then why do you own them?

I would just sell them and buy something useful with the money

Why would you sell them?

My cards don't hold any monetary value to me because I have no plans on selling any of them. They're collectibles and I'm a collector. Even if I didn't play eternal formats, I'm not selling my cards.

DroppinSuga · Postby **DroppinSuga** » Mon Sep 01, 2014 2:02 am

I'm still trying to figure out how Modern isn't balanced right now...

Second Harkius · Postby **Second Harkius** » Mon Sep 01, 2014 2:04 am

you better hit 8k posts before ragequitting.

DroppinSuga · Postby **DroppinSuga** » Mon Sep 01, 2014 2:04 am

You may take my freedom, but you'll never take my DTR!!

DroppinSuga · Postby **DroppinSuga** » Mon Sep 01, 2014 2:04 am

I'm not ragequitting. Sorry Spam

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