Dies to Removal

@manders I tend to focus on one or two people at a time, so I genuinely did not have anything to say about them

is it just me or is this admitting to future tunneling

This is some pretty nice slandering.


You can me my #2 scumread just for this shit


That's a good enough contribution for awhile

Yo Fate

viewtopic.php?p=94225#p94225

What think? Cut him loose, imo. The scum play in this post's position is to 1) Not post at all, wait 2) Delayed vote for fodder 3) Lock horns with one of the unpopular people calling him scum, like Fate.

you think he's town because of THAT post?

Well now this town is completely fucked gg

Why is that? Because I'm such an obvscum?

you think he's town because of THAT post?

Well now this town is completely fucked gg

I think his angle is much more likely to come from town than scum, which is more than enough for me right now. As scum his efforts and conclusion don't make sense, because there were easier options available to him.

I know you're going to say that scum don't always take the path of least resistance, which is true.

So next check out Star's posts and tell me what you see, ESPECIALLY dat kneejerk crossvote right after G_R pens his case.

@manders I tend to focus on one or two people at a time, so I genuinely did not have anything to say about them

is it just me or is this admitting to future tunneling

This is some pretty nice slandering.


You can me my #2 scumread just for this shit


That's a good enough contribution for awhile

lol you're cute.

it's funny because you actually have no clue what slander means

If that's a slander vs libel line, I'll be seriously disappointed in you Yanni.

Hey, that's my joke about rianalnn

Yannus is definitely scum

Unvote:
Vote: Yannus

let's see if this one has more legs

nah idgaf about people misuing slander vs libel I'm not artifice 101

slander requires an untrue accusation . I didn' tmake an accusation, I asked a question to other people about something I observed.

so nice weak wagon fate.

So, are we lynching Kaze yet? This day has gone for long enough

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxLDXgd2Qk8

Votecount #7 (494):
Kazekirimaru (4) - Scumbag, DroppinSuga (320), DroppinSuga (360), Yanni
Iso (1) - TomServo
GR (3) - Iso, Stardust, Kazekirimaru
Scumbag (1) - Spambolic
Stardust (2) - GR, Manders
Yanni (1) - Fate

With 16 alive, it's 9 to lynch!

Please let me know if I've made a mistake.

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No luck finding a replacement yet from across the pond.


scumbag
yanni
fate
gr
stardust
nuwen
lord mcdonalds
manders
iso
------In other news, prodding everyone below this line:------
tom
kaze
imopen
droppinsuga
rezombad
spambolic

Ohey I got prodded.

Lynch GR or Stardust plz.

Kthxbai

Catching up, again, my Woodcrest neighbors!

I'm not feeling the case on G_R at all.

@Stardust - Despite voting Khaddafi earlier, you don't mention him in the post below. What was your reason for unvoting him?

Not anyone, just those three. The only thing I'm not sure about is which one I'm most sure about, if you get my meaning. I'm currently least sure about Kaze, but I'm happy to vote either imopen2 or GR.

Oh hey, I got two prods. Guys, I'm a two-prodder. Anyways, I haven't had much time recently..I felt strongly about a Kaze lynch earlier in the game but since he hasn't done much recently I have to go back and remind myself why that was. I've felt that stardust has been a bit suspicious with his various posts that he says we're attempts to trick people but I'm not sure about voting him yet. Ill need to look back at his posts from the last few pages again. I really don't think G_R is scum at this point.

@Stardust - Despite voting Khaddafi earlier, you don't mention him in the post below. What was your reason for unvoting him?

My vote for him was as much to elicit a reaction as it was because that post I quoted was scummy. He was never a very strong scum read for me, made a bit less so by his responses to me.

If the position is just going to get modkilled, I can place in.

I'm here, no need to prod anymore.

I say we let Hark join in, no mod kill!

I don't like that Nuwen keeps dragging the town around by the nose. She says one thing, then backpedals, then decides she doesn't like her own wagons and pushes, then tries to fish another claim out of someone else. The G_R wagon is stalling. Let's lynch Nuwen.

Unvote, Vote Nuwen

Final vote for the Day.

You're seriously voteparking?

@ Tom: It's time to start contributing to the game. Let's start with whether you are for or against a name claim.

I don't care for your definition of contributing, so I'll just do what I want, kthx.

You're seriously voteparking?

Because that's completely unheard of, amiriet?

@Tom: Replace out.

nou

I don't like that Nuwen keeps dragging the town around by the nose. She says one thing, then backpedals, then decides she doesn't like her own wagons and pushes, then tries to fish another claim out of someone else. The G_R wagon is stalling. Let's lynch Nuwen.

Unvote, Vote Nuwen

Final vote for the Day.

I've voted for a scum read until he did something town, then proceeded to vote for a different scum read. Reads evolve with the game state. That aside, what you're trying to say I'm doing doesn't even make sense as a scum play: why does scum unvote a wagon that's coming to fruition?

Wouldn't you agree that scum are generally content with any given mislynch? It's a VERY town thing to change your mind about a player
after pressuring them. Scum are much more apt to continue tunneling a successful wagon, because a townie under pressure can behave erratically and cause other town to vote them.

Quote the post where I have asked another player to claim.

Iso is just looking to diversify lynch options. Put a bookmark on this post if any of the contemporary wagons flip scum, because this bad angle could come from scum defending a buddy.

before this gets out of hand let me say that I can pretty much guarantee Nuwen is town by the way she has approached this game and handled it so far.

100% no matter what happens do not lynch Nuwen this game

I don't like that Nuwen keeps dragging the town around by the nose. She says one thing, then backpedals, then decides she doesn't like her own wagons and pushes, then tries to fish another claim out of someone else. The G_R wagon is stalling. Let's lynch Nuwen.

Unvote, Vote Nuwen

Final vote for the Day.

I've voted for a scum read until he did something town, then proceeded to vote for a different scum read. Reads evolve with the game state. That aside, what you're trying to say I'm doing doesn't even make sense as a scum play: why does scum unvote a wagon that's
coming to fruition?

Wouldn't you agree that scum are generally content with any given mislynch? It's a VERY town thing to change your mind about a player after pressuring them. Scum are much more apt to continue tunneling a successful wagon, because a townie under pressure can behave erratically and cause other town to vote them.

Quote the post where I have asked another player to claim.

Iso is just looking to diversify lynch options. Put a bookmark on this post if any of the contemporary wagons flip scum, because this bad angle could come from scum defending a buddy.

It's pretty easy to stick your finger in the river and see which direction the current pulls. If you think the wagon isn't going anywhere and you're scum, why not start a new one to get information?

I would not agree that scum are content with any mislynch because a lot can be tied back to whomever is pushing the wagon. I think you're throwing shit and seeing where it sticks. Additionally, "voting a
player until they do something townie" is completely counterintuitive to scumhunting because anyone can just up and do something townie under pressure - whether it's an emotional response or debunking all of the points against them in a logical fashion - and does not help the state of the game.

And what, you want me to quote every post where you've voted for somebody? Because voting a player you intend to lynch means you expect a claim from them at some point. Unless you'd like to argue this with me, which I don't see being a townie line of pursuit.

How is saying "I'm only going to lynch Nuwen" diversifying my lynch options? Are you daft?

The internet at home is off until Friday, and I can't get caught online from work, so I'll post as soon as it's back on Friday.

I'll be v/la until next week sometime
lynch kaze please

The only thing I haven't liked about Nuwen is that she seems to fabricate or exaggerate certain points in her cases. Basically her entire initial case on me was fabricated, and that last bit with Iso, but given her towniness in other areas (and plenty of other good points elsewhere), I've been willing to assume she's just confused on those points (especially given her motivations at the time, though Iso's case was perhaps more shady).

Iso, you say she's dragging the town around by the nose. I realise she's been trying to do that, with little success, but how does that make her scum? Town need to convince people to join wagons too, and acting sure of a read is certainly not a scummy thing to do.

At this point, I'm not getting good reads at all since the vast majority of players are near silent. It's very hard to determine where to place my two votes. Kaze has been acting less scummy as of late, which of course could be his scumbros coaching him. I believe Nuwen is town and she's just a forceful, in your face, type player.

I'm actually leaning towards an Iso lynch at this point. I'll keep my votes on Kaze for the moment, but I as I said, I think Iso may be the correct target today.

Suga, where you come from is it common for scum to have daychat? Most games on MTGS (and here as well, I assume) the mafia are only allowed to talk at night. Basically, I wouldn't assume that any change in Kaze's character is due to coaching.

Are you wanting to lynch Iso based on his Nuwen vote, or is there more? You'll need a lot if you're going to push for his lynch today.

Suga, where you come from is it common for scum to have daychat? Most games on MTGS (and here as well, I assume) the mafia are only allowed to talk at night. Basically, I wouldn't assume that any change in Kaze's character is due to coaching.

Are you wanting to lynch Iso based on his Nuwen vote, or is there more? You'll need a lot if you're going to push for his lynch today.

Where I come from the mafia typically has it's own separate forum off site to use to chat at any time. That's where I come from with my coaching thoughts.

I'm mostly thinking Iso based on his Nuwen vote, but it could be that her playstyle is just pushing his buttons the right way where he thinks she's scum as well.

My thoughts on Iso aren't set in
stone as the reads are iffy at best at this point. I know I want to stay away from Nuwen and Fate at this point as I'm fairly certain they're town.

The only thing I haven't liked about Nuwen is that she seems to fabricate or exaggerate certain points in her cases. Basically her entire initial case on me was fabricated, and that last bit with Iso, but given her towniness in other areas (and plenty of other good points elsewhere), I've been willing to assume she's just confused on those points (especially given her motivations at the time, though Iso's case was perhaps more shady).

Iso, you say she's dragging the town around by the nose. I realise she's been trying to do that, with little success, but how does that make her scum? Town need to convince people to join wagons too, and acting sure of a read is certainly not a scummy thing to do.

I realize that, but
once we have a body, we have more to analyze. Nuwen is obfuscating that process by preventing us from getting the information we need and is instead getting information she wants - role info and reactions to pressure, which can indicate PR or not - and then leaving it at that. Would you rather run a successful wagon on a vanilla or a PR if you were scum? The latter makes you look a LOT worse.

My scum pool, if it wasn't clear in my last post, is:

Stardust - He is to me caught scum.
Kazekirimaru - He is most scummy, and I highly suspect that his interactions with Stardust are a smoke screen. But I would rather have him checked out than lynched, primarily because I am more sure about 'dust than him.
Yannus - A very distant third. I only have a hunch about him, not enough to warrant my vote yet.

The only thing I haven't liked about Nuwen is that she seems to fabricate or exaggerate certain points in her cases. Basically her entire initial case on me was fabricated, and that last bit with Iso, but given her towniness in other areas (and plenty of other good points elsewhere), I've been willing to assume she's just confused on those points (especially given her motivations at the time, though Iso's case was perhaps more shady).

Iso, you say she's dragging the town around by the nose. I realise she's been trying to do that, with little success, but how does that make her scum?
Town need to convince people to join wagons too, and acting sure of a read is certainly not a scummy thing to do.

I realize that, but once we have a body, we have more to analyze. Nuwen is obfuscating that process by preventing us from getting the information we need and is instead getting information she wants - role info and reactions to pressure, which can indicate PR or not - and then leaving it at that. Would you rather run a successful wagon on a vanilla or a PR if you were scum? The latter makes you look a LOT worse.

Maybe I'm being dense, but how is she preventing us from getting information?

Just to make sure I understand the rest, you're saying that she's pushing these wagons to get reactions in an attempt to out the PR's (which is why she'd be jumping around and backtracking a bit - to get more reactions). Based on those reactions, you think she'll ultimately try to run up a wagon on someone she thinks is vanilla and then target a PR lead with the
night kill. Is that what you're saying?

The only thing I haven't liked about Nuwen is that she seems to fabricate or exaggerate certain points in her cases. Basically her entire initial case on me was fabricated, and that last bit with Iso, but given her towniness in other areas (and plenty of other good points elsewhere), I've been willing to assume she's just confused on those points (especially given her motivations at the time, though Iso's case was perhaps more shady).

Iso, you say she's
dragging the town around by the nose. I realise she's been trying to do that, with little success, but how does that make her scum? Town need to convince people to join wagons too, and acting sure of a read is certainly not a scummy thing to do.

I realize that, but once we have a body, we have more to analyze. Nuwen is obfuscating that process by preventing us from getting the information we need and is instead getting information she wants - role info and reactions to pressure, which can indicate PR or not - and then leaving it at that. Would you rather run a successful wagon on a vanilla or a PR if you were scum? The latter makes you look a LOT worse.

Maybe I'm being dense, but how is she preventing us from getting information?

Just to make sure I understand the rest, you're saying that she's pushing these wagons to get reactions in an attempt to out the PR's (which is why she'd be jumping around and backtracking a bit - to get more
reactions). Based on those reactions, you think she'll ultimately try to run up a wagon on someone she thinks is vanilla and then target a PR lead with the night kill. Is that what you're saying?

I would like to understand this rationale as well. This seems convoluted at best and far fetched at worst

The only thing I haven't liked about Nuwen is that she seems to fabricate or exaggerate certain points in her cases. Basically her entire initial case on me was fabricated, and that last bit with Iso, but given her towniness in other areas (and plenty of other good points elsewhere), I've been willing to assume she's just confused on those points (especially given her motivations at the time, though Iso's case was perhaps more shady).

Iso, you say she's dragging the town around by the nose. I realise she's been trying to do that, with little success, but how does that make her scum?
Town need to convince people to join wagons too, and acting sure of a read is certainly not a scummy thing to do.

I realize that, but once we have a body, we have more to analyze. Nuwen is obfuscating that process by preventing us from getting the information we need and is instead getting information she wants - role info and reactions to pressure, which can indicate PR or not - and then leaving it at that. Would you rather run a successful wagon on a vanilla or a PR if you were scum? The latter makes you look a LOT worse.

Gosh, I don't see this. We've only got one confirmed PR and Nuwen wasn't on Suga's wagon when he revealed his role. We've got a few crumbs from some people, but it seems incredibly farfetched that Nuwen is trying to differentiate between PRs and vanillas on day 1 just to push a lynch on the latter and glean information from the former.

Iso's doing far more dirt kicking than scumhunting this game. He even raises the unlikely possibility that Suga could actually be a scum double voter right when Suga's wagon was breaking up. He's actively trying to make as many people look scummy as possible.

Doublevoter is typically a town power but we don't know what the setup is like. I'd say there's a fair chance dan wouldn't be opposed to including a scum doublevoter in this game.