[Fedoras of Salvation] - White Knights ITT

windstrider · Postby **windstrider** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 2:21 pm

Talking about loli-pandering and red decks? Time to renter the conversation...

So what's everyone thinking? Redonedrop.dec with Zurgo or a more sledgehammery/devotion list? Personally, I'd love to start brewing the latter.
[deck]
4 Zurgo Bellstriker
4 Dragon Whisperer
4 Ire Shaman
4 Eidolon of the Great Revel
4 Flamewake Phoenix
4 Fanatic of Mogis
4 Stormbreath Dragon
2 Purphoros, God of the Forge

3 Crater's Claws
3 Roast

4 Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
20 Mountain

SB:
1 Roast
1 Chandra, Pyromaster
1 Outpost Siege
1 Magma Spray
4 Thunderbreak Regent
2 Hammer of Purphoros
2 Lightning Berserker
1 Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker
2 Anger of the Gods
[/deck]

That's a pretty spicy meatball you've got there, LP.

What do you think of a black splash for Murderous Cut to clear away flying monstrosities, or is it just not needed at all?

rcwraspy · Postby **rcwraspy** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 2:25 pm

some nice week 0 garbage that beats all these durdle piles without tons of early game interaction.

[deck]the maindeck
critters
4 Zurgo Bellstriker
4 Monastery Swiftspear
4 Foundry-Street Denizen
3 Ire Shaman
2 Mardu Scout
4 Dragon Fodder
4 Hordeling Outburst
burn
4 Wild Slash
4 Lightning Strike
4 Atarka's Command
4 Stoke the Flames
lands
1 Temple of Abandon
4 Mana Confluence
4 Wooded Foothills
1 Forest
9 Mountain
Sideboard:
2 Goblin Heelcutter
2 Temple of Abandon
4 Searing Blood / Roast
3 Arc Lightning
4 Outpost Siege[/deck]

I know LP had this deck built and ready to go. Main diff. was I liked starting G1 with a low land count and just sucking up not being able to cast Command sometimes. Ire Shaman could be Eidolon or more Mardu Scout, but Ire Shaman is passable as a 2-drop and GREAT when you flood / transform board vs. removal heavy decks. Rabblemaster died to everything in the Mountain mirrors and couldn't take advantage of it nearly as much as Jeskai and friends. Arc Lightning / Searing Blood vs. Roast comes down to how heavily you want to board vs. tokens and red compared to catch-all against Forest decks.

Probably what I'll start with. List looks great and brutal.

Khaospawn · Postby **Khaospawn** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:04 pm

I'm now 1/100 of reaching my goal.

I just have to gain some momentum now.

Khaospawn · Postby **Khaospawn** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:06 pm

Just in case anybody has a change of heart: http://www.gofundme.com/pj2jg0

Thrillho · Postby **Thrillho** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:27 pm

Kaiji is Yu Gi Oh season 0 for adults. While that sounds stupid as fuck, that is a glowing review of Kaiji.
If you have not watched it (or the predecessor show, which escapes me right now), go watch it. Both series are great aside. Even the 3+ episode long "powering up" sequences about "is he gonna do the game good to win???" fluff is great.

Zen, watch Kaiji. Gain perspective. Feel good.

Self Medicated · Postby **Self Medicated** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:43 pm

Khaos, I'll definitely support you. You guys have been so great helping me out, it's the least I can do in return. Just have to wait until Friday when I get paid.

RedNihilist · Postby **RedNihilist** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:46 pm

They banned Treasure Cruise from Pauper

Kaitscralt · Postby **Kaitscralt** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:50 pm

Why didn't you say Get Rick Grimes to Vegas and post your pictures with low level Magic pro's, then spam your link all over

Kaitscralt · Postby **Kaitscralt** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:51 pm

your message just comes off as lazy begging, I don't really feel the passion

windstrider · Postby **windstrider** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:53 pm

I'm wondering about something along these lines. Not-so-shamelessly inspired by LP's list above. I'm also substituting for things I don't own.

[deck]
Lands 24
12 Mountains
4 Bloodstained Mire
4 Swamps
2 Temple of Malice
2 Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx

Creatures 30
4 Zurgo Bellstriker
4 Dragon Whisperer
4 Ire Shaman
4 Eidolon of the Great Revel
4 Flamewake Phoenix
4 Fanatic of Mogis
2 Purphoros, God of the Forge
1 Thunderbreak Regent
2 Stormbreath Dragon
1 Kolaghan, the Storm's Fury

Spells 6
2 Crater's Claws
2 Roast
2 Murderous Cut

Sideboard
1 Roast
1 Chandra, Pyromaster
1 Outpost Siege
1 Magma Spray
1 Murderous Cut
3 Thunderbreak Regent
2 Hammer of Purphoros
2 Lightning Berserker
1 Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker
2 Anger of the Gods
[/deck]

I like the Cuts as instant-speed outs against things that Roast wouldn't be able to kill.

Khaospawn · Postby **Khaospawn** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:56 pm

your message just comes off as lazy begging, I don't really feel the passion

Hmm, you're probably right. I'll edit it tonight.

Khaospawn · Postby **Khaospawn** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:56 pm

Khaos, I'll definitely support you. You guys have been so great helping me out, it's the least I can do in return. Just have to wait until Friday when I get paid.

Khaospawn · Postby **Khaospawn** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:57 pm

Why didn't you say Get Rick Grimes to Vegas and post your pictures with low level Magic pro's, then spam your link all over

This. I should do this.

You've given me a lot to think about.

Kaitscralt · Postby **Kaitscralt** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 5:01 pm

I might be able to get some activity on Twitter from Bard Narson and his cronies if I show him the link with the pic

Platypus · Postby **Platypus** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 5:02 pm

Why didn't you say Get Rick Grimes to Vegas and post your pictures with low level Magic pro's, then spam your link all over
This. I should do this.

You've given me a lot to think about.

"Take your photo with Rick Grimes if you back! Free Rick/Carl jokes as bonus!"

Khaospawn · Postby **Khaospawn** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 5:05 pm

I'm headed to work now, where I won't be able to update it. Will definitely do it tonight.

Self Medicated · Postby **Self Medicated** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 5:08 pm

Get this beard (and the skin suit it inhabits) to Vegas. The fate of all beard-kind depends on it.

Khaospawn · Postby **Khaospawn** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 5:19 pm

Should probably add a disclaimer that I'm merely a Rick Grimes doppelganger.

Self Medicated · Postby **Self Medicated** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 6:40 pm

Opinions on Zurgo Bellstriker in Modern Burn?

jsilv · Postby **jsilv** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 6:41 pm

Kaiji is Yu Gi Oh season 0 for adults. While that sounds stupid as fuck, that is a glowing review of Kaiji.
If you have not watched it (or the predecessor show, which escapes me right now), go watch it. Both series are great aside. Even the 3+ episode long "powering up" sequences about "is he gonna do the game good to win???" fluff is great.

Zen, watch Kaiji. Gain perspective. Feel good.

Akagi. Which if you like Mahjong is watchable since that's all it is. But yeah, the first game of Kaiji being paper rock scissors sounds like a sick joke, but it's great how simple concepts end up being super tense and interesting game theory moments.

Thrillho · Postby **Thrillho** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 6:56 pm

maverick is the kind of guy who says he likes all types of music, just not country or hip hop. He also still refers to it as hip hop.

Thrillho · Postby **Thrillho** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:03 pm

I've watched one new anime this season and it was none of those things. It was very predictable, but it was none of the things you listed.

Kaitscralt · Postby **Kaitscralt** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:10 pm

It was DBZ

Kaitscralt · Postby **Kaitscralt** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:38 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FweJYmdiP5k

Kaitscralt · Postby **Kaitscralt** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:46 pm

that's an album everyone here should have

hamfactorial · Postby **hamfactorial** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 8:04 pm

Opinions on Zurgo Bellstriker in Modern Burn?

It's bad. You don't want a Shock in general, Zurgo is awful in multiples, and committing 2 mana to Dash him every turn is a high opportunity cost.

Postby **Stardust** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 8:11 pm

Should have made him a 2/1 with dash for 1 mana instead. Would have made for a more interesting card then (in EDH too).

Thrillho · Postby **Thrillho** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 8:15 pm

Kaiji is Yu Gi Oh season 0 for adults. While that sounds stupid as fuck, that is a glowing review of Kaiji.
If you have not watched it (or the predecessor show, which escapes me right now), go watch it. Both series are great aside. Even the 3+ episode long "powering up" sequences about "is he gonna do the game good to win???" fluff is great.

Zen, watch Kaiji. Gain perspective. Feel good.
Akagi. Which if you like Mahjong is watchable since that's all it is. But yeah, the first game of Kaiji being paper rock scissors sounds like a sick joke, but it's great how simple concepts end up being super tense and interesting game theory moments.

I don't know anything about mahjong even after watching akagi and I found it really easy to get into and enjoyed it thoroughly.

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:06 pm

This weekend I learned that Mythics still poison limited.Thanks Rosewater.

Atarka is unbeatable and just back breaking on T5 after T4 Explosive Veg. I felt bad every time I did it.

Jack · Postby **Jack** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:14 pm

Pack sales > good limited formats

jsilv · Postby **jsilv** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:16 pm

I mean, would you want them at rare instead? Stupid dumb giant sixes and sevens are just a part of Magic now. Duneblast Dragon is only at rare and better than practically everything else in the set.

jsilv · Postby **jsilv** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:18 pm

How to make any non-Cube/Special Limited format better in one simple step. You can follow along at home!

Step 1) Open pack and remove rare slot.

You successfully made your draft format a better place. Yay!

Bonus Step) Add another uncommon into slot.

Bonus Step 2) JUST FUCKING ROTO DRAFT.

TubeHunter · Postby **TubeHunter** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:21 pm

This weekend I learned that Mythics still poison limited.Thanks Rosewater.

Atarka is unbeatable and just back breaking on T5 after T4 Explosive Veg. I felt bad every time I did it.

Well, isn't that just a function of a sealed prerelease? I mean 75% of games in my prereleases devolved into "who can grab their bomb first".

Besides, I don't think most of the dragon lords are beatable anyways.

rcwraspy · Postby **rcwraspy** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:24 pm

or just don't play the fuckdiculous limited formats at all.

Mcdonalds · Postby **Mcdonalds** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:31 pm

Play extended instead

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:33 pm

How's this look?

http://decks.deckedbuilder.com/d/51987

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:43 pm

This weekend I learned that Mythics still poison limited.Thanks Rosewater.

Atarka is unbeatable and just back breaking on T5 after T4 Explosive Veg. I felt bad every time I did it.

Well, isn't that just a function of a sealed prerelease? I mean 75% of games in my prereleases devolved into "who can grab their bomb first".

Besides, I don't think most of the dragon lords are beatable anyways.

I'll never understand the appeal of a format where Opening bombs >>>>>>>> Tight play.

jsilv · Postby **jsilv** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:49 pm

This weekend I learned that Mythics still poison limited.Thanks Rosewater.

Atarka is unbeatable and just back breaking on T5 after T4 Explosive Veg. I felt bad every time I did it.

Well, isn't that just a function of a sealed prerelease? I mean 75% of games in my prereleases devolved into "who can grab their bomb first".

Besides, I don't think most of the dragon lords are beatable anyways.
I'll never understand the appeal of a format where Opening bombs >>>>>>>> Tight play.

Because in one format the majority of players will never understand why they lost and it'll take them 25-30min to do so. Which is frustrating for most people. Try replaying formats on flashback drafts online when creatures were all dogshit and you interact with people who have never played these types of formats before. It's awkward.

And let's be real, if you honestly think the majority of Sealed games were decided by 'who can grab their bomb first' at a PRERELEASE you're probably trash at Limited.

LP, of the Fires · Postby **LP, of the Fires** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:53 pm

I was actually in a PPTQ top 8 with Tom Lapille and he was asking what percentage of rares should be good in a set for it to be a good limited environment. He was in the 45/50% category as otherwise the games would probably just get boring.

He had a point. If the power level is flat, then it's just an attrition nightmare. While you don't want to play against the guy with mono-bombs, it's important for interesting and smooth gameplay for decks to have splashy effects to break open games and to create tactical and strategic decisions regarding how you pace your cards.

Some cards are obnoxious yeah and that can't really be helped, but most of the time in sealed, you just have to be smart. Just watch LSV or Efro play limited ever.

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