Dies to Removal

So who's scum if I'm town? How does town benefit if I'm lynched and roll town?

So, a Cloaker.

Do you protect nightkills?

Can you claim role name and paraphrase flavor?

Hey i been a little busy with memorial day weekend but I swear ill post a post tomorrow that slams ham into the dirt.

I'm sold.
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Vote Jack

Let's hang some scum.

Yeah, my case doesn't look good. But I don't see where you're going with the vote flipping thing. In 23 pages, I've made 2 votes. And while I may not have given much explaination to those votes at the time, it's fairly clear why I made them, given what had already been said by others/the need to hang somebody before time ran out.

What questions did I miss? Were they important?

Town:
me
CP
pie
red
dechs
wraith

I think most of us have this same town pile, except some don't see me as town. Why do you think that is? (rhetorical)
I still don't perfectly understand why many are clearing LMD. Is the "counterwagon to scum" argument pretty much just "there is a very small chance that 10-11 of us were voting for scum when the day ended"? I have not cleared LMD of anything as he has pretty much stopped scum hunting. He could be scum, and I role blocked his ass as I still have doubts he is town. Will probably do it again if he ain't lynched. Best comment from you so far.
I get town vibes from ham (he defended himself very well at the start of Day 2). Still, he has done a lot to make him look like he could be scum, especially how quickly he jumped onto a Red wagon once Pie tried to start one. He needs to scum hunt and be less reactive, but he wanted to hear from RCW before lynching. MoJo hammered and claimed "unknowing" of his hammer. Ham called it on him. Whether that is proof is subjective, although I think Ham is town. Reactive, slow town that is.
I haven't spent too much time trying to read rezzy, but I don't like how he tried to misrep me and draw undue suspicion to Dechs. He has scum hunted hard and pushed wagons a little to hard early game. I think he missed the RCW wagon as well. He could be scum or town that was just not active at that time. Rez is hard to read sometimes, but he has contributed more than others for town with reads and opinions.[/
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Jones could very well be scum. I'm not too keen on the way he hammered when Ham said he would do it, thus painting Ham in a bad light. He could have at least waited until it was clear that Ham wouldn't be back. Another great comment that I share an agreement with. MoJo's hammer was fast and rather hasty. The claim of not knowing the hammer seems wrong as he saw the wagon and voted right away. Not counting the votes appears scum bussing RCW. The evidence is circumstantial and subjective thought. It's a gut call in my opinion.

Now onto to you. I can't call you as being town, but loosing your role could be bad for town. Iamopen2 lied big time in my first game and I fell for it. Thus pardon my distrust. For now,

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After sleeping on your claim, I think leaving you alone for today is best for town.

My next best read is MoJo with that hammer and claim of unknowingly committing the hammer.
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Vote MoJo The dude seriously needs a shorter username in playing Mafia.

Anyone else think MoJo is suspect? Reasons I am voting him:
1. CM early game is lurking bad (I noted the sickness, but he could have scum hunted more earlier)
2. MoJo takes over and pretty much votes RCW immediately. MoJo kind has the perfect set up as he has a shield of ignorance from him and us as no one has read till he votes. No one suspects anything till he claims in response to Ham that he unknowingly hammers Rcw. If he just said I hammer RCW and not acted defensive about; I would have let that go.
3. Being defensive about the hammer
4. Utilizing some weird ability on Ham to prevent mail from reaching Ham. Vindictive over something rather trivial? Why?
5. NO scum hunting since.
6. Continued Lurking.

What's troubling you about Wraith being in front of this one?

It looked like C_P was the catalyst for this reason, but I'm more curious why you mentioned Wraith specifically.

Alright, claim: I'm town, with a night ability (not 1-shot) that makes a player of my choice untargetable for that night. I didn't use it last night. I had considered using it on C_P, but didn't because I thought a lot of the town would send mail to him and that there was a chance that he wouldn't be the NK target. I'll probably use it tonight on CP or pie or somebody else that looks really town unless I find out before the day ends that town has an actual doctor.

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Vote MoJo

I'm
interested in pushing on MoJo to see what comes up. I laid out my reasoning for his end of day 1 actions being scum-aligned, so I'd like to see what he has in response.

He also promised to slam me in a follow-up post, which has yet to materialize.

come at me bro

Can we verify his ability? Since it should bounce mail, we could use the mail to verify much like we did with Red.

I'm quite in a rush at the moment so I can't dig too much, can you point out where he declared so? :0

Hey i been a little busy with memorial day weekend but I swear ill post a post tomorrow that slams ham into the dirt.

I'm quite in a rush at the moment so I can't dig too much, can you point out where he declared so? :0

Sure thing, it was from Monday -

Hey i been a little busy with memorial day weekend but I swear ill post a post tomorrow that slams ham into the dirt.

Checking in.
...not much has changed.

Red caught what I thought was weird as well. I had to really think about it to arrive at the decision to unvote. Good job Red.

Ham is finally scum hunting. Go Ham! MoJo should have followed through with his attack.

Will pop back in later when I get to the bigger town. MoJo is the strongest vote right now in my opinion. Anyone have a read we might have missed? Got an opinion on the matter Rez?

@wraith: It really bothers me that you brought up a serial killer.

This game has players casting votes without reasons why (2 players). Jack asking the weird question, asking for a LMD wagon, and flipping to RCW without a reason beyond "must lynch someone" seems different in a manner that trips me as a "no team" player. Either that is newb scum or something else as it is a great departure from his normal posting in my opinion. Also, this is going postal mafia. I would expect to see some kind of extra kill player beyond the scum players.
Whether they are town or not is hard to call. I have been pondering about this for a few days now and thinks it needs to brought to towns attention. My gut is rumbling about this.

Over night, I Roleblocked LMD cause I think he is scum. His inactivity, dissociation with many, and lack of scum hunting put him as my top scum pick after Jack. I now have them at equal levels of suspicion. Red has me perplexed now that RCW was found to be scum InflateablePie trusted him and was right on RCW. For now Red is in my Null pile.

@red: you should probably say that.

So InflateablePie is the king maker this game? If he has questions; send them. I said I roleblocked LMD cause he was my other scum read besides Red. Not sure what is scummy about that. I am town roleblocker and that is my claim as
you can gather from past posts. Besides a few others, I am one of the few that actually posts a reason for my votes and factors why it is strong and weak for town to grasp my position. I don't ask for wagons without evidence, but others asking for wagons without evidence are getting away with it. Lurkers are being ignored. I am glad Inflateablepie nailed scum day 1, but so many voted Rcw without a read of their own. That bothers me when they demand answers but won't answer my questions. To be town this game, one must lurk, not answer anyone's questions except Inflateablepie's, call others crazy, and not give reads for votes given. Is this the new meta or new acceptable town?

I need a smiley that is pissed off while throwing paperwork up in the air. Jack is the stronger vote as he just said that he has nothing to add. That is not town and town players must be actively scum hunting for town to win. Inflateablepie is tunneling with me or is the meanest scum player to buss Rcw.

Town:
me
CP
pie
red
dechs
wraith

I think most of us have this same town pile, except some don't see me as town. Why do you think that is? (rhetorical)
I still don't perfectly understand why many are clearing LMD. Is the "counterwagon to scum" argument pretty much just "there is a very small chance that 10-11 of us were voting for scum when the day ended"? I have not cleared LMD of anything as he has pretty much stopped scum hunting. He could be scum, and I role blocked his ass as I still have doubts he is town. Will probably do it again if he ain't lynched. Best comment from you so far.
I get town vibes from ham (he defended himself very well at the start of Day 2). Still, he has done a lot to make him look like he could be scum, especially how quickly he jumped onto a Red wagon once Pie tried to start one. He needs to scum hunt and be less reactive, but he wanted to hear from RCW before lynching. MoJo hammered and claimed "unknowing" of his hammer. Ham called it on him. Whether that is proof is subjective, although I think Ham is town. Reactive, slow town that is.
I haven't spent too much time trying to read rezzy, but I don't like how he tried to misrep me and draw undue suspicion to Dechs. He has scum hunted hard and pushed wagons a little to hard early game. I think he missed the RCW wagon as well. He could be scum or town that was just not active at that time. Rez is hard to read
sometimes, but he has contributed more than others for town with reads and opinions.
Jones could very well be scum. I'm not too keen on the way he hammered when Ham said he would do it, thus painting Ham in a bad light. He could have at least waited until it was clear that Ham wouldn't be back. Another great comment that I share an agreement with. MoJo's hammer was fast and rather hasty. The claim of not knowing the hammer seems wrong as he saw the wagon and voted right away. Not counting the votes appears scum bussing RCW. The evidence is circumstantial and subjective thought. It's a gut call in my opinion.