Dies to Removal

:sadface:

I think Dan's computer is still out of commission.

vig

I was surprised. I figured youd go for nuwen, and also that imopen was an unstoppable

if you hadnt used your ability night 1 you wouldn't have been able to kill scumbag.

You died and made us lose daychat. Unacceptable.

I was caught day 1.. so was kaze.

Scumbag, you getting killed put me in super paranoia mode.

I think it was when suga killed iso. Spam and iso were basically caught before we lynched lmd.

The jig is up
The news is out
Theyve finally found me
The renegade who had it made
Retrieved for a bounty
Never more to go astray
This will be the end today
Of the wanted man.

vote rezombad, mafia jailer

too many gimmicks.

:cheer:

Do you understand that when a player has a guilty, the GUILTY PARTY is always the test lynch?

No. To me my arguments make sense and follow just fine.

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Iso claiming governor on day one casts just as much doubt on LMD as your claim casts on spam, doesn't it?

I kind of poured out some stuff here, please read it. If anything doesn't make sense, please let me know.

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So Nuwen has said "I'm a cop, spam is guilty, LMD is innocent."

Spam has said "I'm a backup and now a JOAT (col. khadaffi). I tried to vig howlingmad but was blocked somehow. I can prove my ability tomorrow."

LMD has said "I'm a stalker; Iso targeted Fate and Fate targeted Rezombad."

Iso has said "I'm governor, I didn't target anyone last night."

Fate has said "I'm a redirector; I redirected onto Rezombad last night, but was vanillafied."

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Not all of these things can be true. HM brought up the point that Nuwen could be insane, but I don't buy it.


If Nuwen is town and her reads are correct, spam is scum and LMD is town.

If LMD is town, Iso is not governor and therefore scum.

If Iso is governor, then LMD is lying and
therefore scum.

If LMD is scum then Nuwen is lying and is scum.

If Nuwen is scum and LMD is scum, then Fate is scum after claiming to be vanilla'd by Iso.


If this doesn't make sense let me know. But to me it follows.

We can prove this all by lynching Iso today. His early game protecting of kaze followed by kaze's flip makes me want to lynch him anyway.

When Iso flips scum, then we know that we can just get Spam tomorrow.

Ohshit, I forgot about Fate calling governor a scum role. If he is a scum governor then how did he target Fate last night? Fate says, "joat scum". If he is joat scum and has governor, then we won't learn anything concrete by lynching him today and we should go ahead and lynch Spam, let his flip guide us.

Unvote

Of course, this all plays into another quote from Fate, "HYPER GAMBIT FULL FAKECLAIMT EAM"

I think we can learn more from a LMD flip than a Spam flip. Spam flipping doesn't tell us enough about Iso, where
a LMD flip will tell us everything about Fate and Nuwen.

Vote Lord_McDonalds

Unless someone has a reason not to. I'd like to hear Nuwen's thoughts on this honestly.

now that day chat is confirmed a thing and is now gone, I propose a massclaim. I have relevant infos

Did you think scum had daychat the whole game? Or is a claim only feasible after knowing for certain that the scum can't daychat?

how about STOP WITH THE FUCKING VOTES WE ARE GIONG TO MASSCLAIM FIRST

So yesterday it was all 'not paying attention and not reading posts' and today it's 'super gung-ho Fate'? What changed?

I would direct everyone to re-read the first 7 or so pages of this game and tell me that Kaze and I were busing each other.

weren't you the one who mentioned something about a day chat?

or was that someone else?

It was the marijuana that said that.

Guess we are claiming, in that case, I'm Riley, Town Stalker, I can target another player, learn who they targeted and who targeted them....as for what they targeted them with, can't help you.

Targeted Gammagooey night 1, and, you guessed it, got nothing

Targeted Fate night 2, whom
apparently targeted rezombad, and for whatever reason, Fate was targeted by Iso.

Huh.

so.. day 1 governor fakeclaim to protect kaze, the mafia godfather.

Either LMD is lying or Iso is, only one way to find out:

vote iso

unvote

@Fate: totally missed your softclaim back there, things make a little more sense now. Though I don't think you being town makes her town or vice versa.

Why is not giving a fuck and not paying attention not scummy? That's my main argument for you being scum.

Also, why isn't Imopen as scummy as me, when we voted you at about the same time for about the same reason?

@imopen2: Is Fate still scummy to you? Or does his softclaim make him town in your eyes?

@Yanni: Why do you say:

I put so much stock in mod gaming it'll make you all cry.
[/
quote]followed just a few posts later by:

we've lost too many power roles and I don't want to modgame on how many are left.

?

@stardust: I missed you too. Been helping a friend move 1200 miles.

why isn't Imopen as scummy as me when we voted Fate at about the same time for about the same reason? Are you still upset about my vote for Dusted? when I gave him a chance to address my points and he disregarded them completely?

@Iso: Why do you think that Imopen is more scummy than me even though we each voted Fate at about the same time, with about the same reason?

@Gammagooey: Appreciate the reads, how is Kaze looking to you currently?

edit: and Kaze hammers...

@Kaze: Explain yourself, you havn't made any sort
of case against Yanni. Is it sheep Fate day?

I dont lile that fate isnt paying attentipn to the game, hammering stardust and then saying he didnt know he was the hammer. Asking about votecounts right after the mod had posted vote counts etc.

vote fate

Back after a very very long drive.

Im too tired to figure out the issues with the game right now. Ill be posting something relevant tomorrow.

handwave more.

vote stardust

Also, why choose now to vote for me, Nuwen? You were one of the first to start throwing accusations my way, yet never voted. I was wondering when you might finally jump on, but it seems strange that this follows the first time I showed any real suspicion of you (with my question to Fate and GG). Were you trying to get ahead of my vote here?

Is that a legitimate question to Nuwen? You talk a lot and don't really vote a lot, so I don't see how your question about Nuwen:

Fate and Gammagooey! You guys know Nuwen best,
and you both agree she's town. Is that just based on meta, or is there something more?

could be seen as 'he's gonna vote me, better vote him first'.


So let's examine your case:

Whatever meta he thinks he's got doesn't overshadow her hardcore buddying (and leading) of Fate in particular, her fabrication of cases, her inconsistencies in what she calls "axiom", and her appeals to the players in general. I'm in.

1. hardcore buddying (and leading) of Fate in particular -

Fate, Nuwen timeline (paying attention to mostly votes and the posts after their votes):
Fate votes kaze first then disappears, Nuwen builds case against Kaze. Fate appears to unvote and vote G_R, Nuwen unvotes, Nuwen builds a case against G_R. Nuwen receives suga's vote(s). nuwen loses sugas votes.
nuwen unvotes(post 445). Fate votes Yannus. [as an aside, its about this time that Nuwen starts pointing fingers at Iso and Stardust] Nuwen Votes Stardust.

I don'e see Nuwen leading Fate here. I see, in my skimming of the entire thread, Fate leading Nuwen and letting her do the heavy lifting of making cases and trying to convince others to believe her reads.

2. fabrication of cases -

You've been handwaving Nuwen for a while. After she says that your point of view doesn't make sense, you say she is confused and call her case against you 'fabricated'.

3. her inconsistencies in what she calls "axiom" -

She says that "Bending over to count ants is a good way to get an axe in the back" is axiom. Makes sense to me.

4. appeals to the players in general -

I'm fine with drumming up support, I'd like to lynch scum and I'm happy to hear cases from people who have them.

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I don't
really see her as scum, honestly. And I don't see how you see her as scum either.

unvote

How are we coming with the name claim anyway?

I'd rather lynch fate, imopen, or rezmo

Any reason why you'd want to lynch me besides the random vote at the beginning?

If that's it, fine, I just want to know the case against me.

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I agree with Suga, I don't think it does us any good to force Iso to use his power 'just because'.

Why did you assume it was Town motivated, exactly?

Because I can't think of anything the scum would gain by asking for it. And from your explanation it benefits the town.

I'm not saying that you are town because of it(WIFOM?), but that it was town motivated because it harms scum without harming the town.

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vote imopen2

I don't have much of a case, but I fingered him before and his recent posts haven't been substantial enough for me to think he's town.

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I'm planning to do a reread when I have a little more time to come up with some updated opinions.

You mean I could have had TWO proxy votes if bitch-assed bitches hadn't peer pressured Suga to Behave Like The White Man Says.

To be fair he took his votes from you after i pointed out that he has G_R pegged as town and you are voting for G_R.

Nigga.

unvote

Why the question mark?

Because I don't know what will be accomplished by claiming names.

Why would you agree to something if you don't know what it will accomplish?

I figured her statement was town motivated. At the time I guessed there was a good reason.

And the explanation she gave makes sense to me at least. That's why I stand by my 'I guess' and will even promote it to a
full 'sure'.

If anyone has a good reason not to though, I'd be happy to hear it. (Being a waste of time is not a good reason to me.)

I tried to explain why you look scummy Suga. I went post by post. I feel that early on, you wagoning might not have been a big deal. But, your recent loud posts and the proxyvote to nuwen give my vote some more legs.

vote: rezombad

Seems fairly straight-forward today.

Could be wagoning, but I've come to understand that what I did was scummy, so a fairly legitimate play.

Kaze is pinging me..

Unvote
Vote: Kaze

Vote for Kaze with no reasoning. Sheeping Fate, Manders and Nuwen without adding any discussion.

Sir Thomas the Jester[/quote:
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Spam

This is easily the slowest paced Mafia game I've ever played.

Spam at best.

To answer an early meta question, I've played in numerous Mafia games on HCRealms.com. I've also ran a game on that site, so I'm not a noob by any means.

Okay, you're not a noob. I'll keep that in mind.

While I think Iso may be scum as well, Kaze is just pinging me. I don't have any evidence, just a gut feeling really.

I like gut feelings, but someone who is
experienced might be used to explaining their vote? There was a case against kaze page 1 but since then people have gotten distracted or more juicy targets have popped up. Not for you though, but we'll get to that later.

While acting scummy is a natural thing for me, I can assure you that I am as clean as they come.

Spam.

Shouldn't it be night 1 by now or did I miss something?

Spam and/or Read the rules.

If I had to bet money, Kaze and Manders are both scum. G_R, Nuwen and I are
the obvious townies at this point.

I like that you want to call out some people but this is still pretty spammy with no explanation. I'll note you saying 'look at me im town' for the second time

At this point I'm willing to

Unvote

Vote: End day phase

All of my what here, maybe there is something you want to accomplish at night?

If I had to bet money, Kaze and Manders are both scum. G_R, Nuwen and I are the obvious townies at this point.

At this point I'm willing to

Unvote

Vote: End day phase

Show me your money. Proxy your vote to me for the remainder of the day.

Unvote

Proxy vote to Nuwen

To answer earlier questions: I've never played in a game that doesn't have a set time limit for each phase. The way we played at HCR is that each day phase was either 24 or 48 hours. That's what caused my confusion. Our meta also didn't include many day one lynches. Let me get used to the meta here and I won't come off as such a scummy bastard.[/
quote]


I feel like the meta explains your earlier vote more than you wanting to do something at night. I can understand that I different process might take place when you're used to no one being lynched day1. At least you explained a little bit here. (Third time "IM TOWN GUISE")

"Didn't you just say you were obvtown? What happened? Plan on answering my questions?"

I'm obvy town, but to you folks, I'm coming off as scummy for not knowing the rules. When you play with 24 hour time limits for phases, it makes the day phases a bit different then what's played here. That's all.

"I disagree with your proxy of your vote to Nuwen. Why don't you want to be held accountable for your own votes? Why would you just sheep Nuwen's request?"

You can disagree all you want, but I'm willing to proxy
my vote to her because I feel as though she's an obvious townie and I can trust my vote with her. I feel like her line of thinking is in line with mine in this game, so it's not going to hurt anything to leave my vote with her (if it's allowed). If the proxy is not allowed, I also have no problem placing my vote.

How does Nuwen share a line of thinking with you when you thing G_R is town and she thinks G_R is scum?

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"How are you obvious town if people think you're scum? -_- That's my point."

I'm getting the scum treatment because of my lack of knowledge of how the game's played here. The game is played much differently at HCRealms and it's taking some time for me to get used to it.

If I get wagoned, then that's fine. My death will just prove that the town lost one of their
own to their foolish misread.

I think you're scum because you're running around spamming, jumping from vote to vote with no explanation and then yelling about how you're town and everyone voting for you is a fool.

Please also clarify something for me;

Nuwen voted for G_R
You say G_R is town
Proxy your vote to Nuwen
You say you and Nuwen are in line with each other
You are now voting for someone you called "Obviously Town"

This process doesn't make sense to me. What, in your mind, caused G_R to go from town to public enemy #1?

@zombad:

Are you voting somebody? If so, who? If not, why are you FoSing imopen instead of voting?

I've been on Suga since page 1.

@Rezombad: Why are you reading Nuwen as town for admittedly no reason?

To be fair, Nuwen is under 'Might Not Be Scum'. I'm still learning the game and I trust no one. Some of these more experienced players are hard to figure out what they're trying to do.


fos imopen2

Saying 'I was intoxicated when I posted that, I even said so in the post' is not a defense when someone says that something you did was scummy. I don't know the significance or accuracy of Manders' read, but your reaction doesn't put me at ease.

[quote="[url=viewtopic.php?p=90763#p90763:18ukd4ji]Stardust » Tue Aug 20, 2013 2:43 pm[/url:18ukd4ji]":18ukd4ji]
[b:18ukd4ji]rezombad![/b:18ukd4ji] What do you think of Kaze, Iso, ( G_R ) and Manders? Please show your work. Additionally, is there anyone besides Suga (or those four) that you suspect may be scum?[/quote:18ukd4ji]

Sorry it took me a while, I wanted to reread some people posts.

And I'm sorry if your name isn't here, bring it up to me if you feel left out.

Might Not Be Scum
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G_R: [I like his short posts. They seems to be town oriented and to the point.]

Manders: [Something about her posts just kind of bugs me, maybe it's the commanding nature, im not sure. But I honestly have no idea]

Nuwen: [i dunno, lol]

Stardust: [He's got some good ideas in those fucking gigantic tomes called posts]

col khadafi: [Low posts
give me almost no idea, wait and see I guess]

Kaze: [I know why people would vote for him from the beginning thing. But I don't know that it makes him scum or just stupid? Also he uses a lot of acronyms.]



They Might Be GiantScum
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imopen2: [smoke weed e'eryday]

Suga: [I don't know what his game is, but its not the same game as mine]

Iso: [I don't like that he didnt understand why people were voting for kaze. I can accept the statement:'I havn't seen Kaze do anything anti town,' as experience. But to say "I don't understand the case on Kaze" seems odd to me at least]

Fate: [While I like things short and to the point, I don't know what his game is. His posts scream 'LISTEN TO ME', but don't have any reasoning. Which is his perogative, I just dont like it.]

Tom Servo: [Contributions are minimal at best]

lord mcdonald: [posting about people posting about not having time to respond with spam]

Catching up.

Why the question mark?

Because I don't know what will be accomplished by claiming names.

In fact, I wouldn't be opposed to a name soft-claim to lock people into their claim. Who's down?

Sure?

unvote
Vote: suga

Why?

Jumping from wagon to wagon.

I don't care for rezombad wagon hopping, bout it.

I should have been more clear earlier. My vote was because of Suga's wagon hopping. Not me wagon hopping onto Suga.

vote: rezombad

Seems fairly straight-forward today.

Kaze is pinging me..

Unvote
Vote: Kaze

So that wagoning inspired me to vote for him. Since then his only
posts have been: "Trust me guise I'm not scum" and "I have no evidence, just a gut feeling for my vote for Kaze."

Vote rezombad

Got a live one.

Is there a reason more people aren't voting rezombad?

Is there a reason for voting me, other than lolnoob randomvote?

I don't care for rezombad wagon hopping, bout it.

I should have been more clear earlier. My vote was because of Suga's wagon hopping. Not me wagon hopping onto Suga.

Jumping from wagon to wagon.