Dies to Removal

still, nice game, wish I coulve played a bit better than i did though, but live and learn.

Sorry checkbox, I panicked and got major conformation bias blinded. Everything you did made me think you were scum. I blame this on me. I would've thrown anyone under the bus to not get lynched day 2 and ended up saying a lot of stupid shit. I got my act together later but some holes you can't climb out of.

All of my

Raspy! How does this game look from your scum perspective?

However I do think Iso is town regardless, so a raspy/stardust team takes the game. gg boys

I have honestly no idea what I'm supposed to be explaining. Why I feel like Iso must be scum to win? That should be common knowledge if you looked at the the setup link and saw roleblocker vs jailer.

Feel worse. Unless you are the scum. Then you should feel good . Though at this point you have to actually go full in on Iso being scum otherwise

Where are you maze? My reckoning awaits!


Basically, if Iso isn't scum, we lose simple as that. if he is scum, then we have a small shot. (Unless there is an interaction I missed but role locker and jailer go in favor of the roleblocker.) who knows I guess, I didn't and failed hard.

God help you all.

Hope Iso is lying I guess? Then you have at least one guess to save the town, if not yourself.

Doesn't matter... If Iso's claim is true, there is a role locker anyways. The sinking ship we are all on.

I find.i have only myself to blame, but holy shit restraint much? I didn't even get to defend myself. I'm sorry guys

Goddamnit w

Holy shit you did it

Also i am vanila town. So I guess we lose?

My body is ready

A lot of things to think about. Iso, why do you think me/stardust is the most likely scum team?

Also, now that we (possibly) know who the jailer is, we are not safe tonight. We are in full fledged LyLo. Fellow town, tread carefully.

This changes things.
unvote checkbox

@stardust

I realized this after the fact. But my vote still stands. I'm not going to appease people with an unvote. A case is coming.

Don't worry bro, I'll make sure you get cased up nice and well. Sorry about your back by the way, always sucks to get injured.


Also, we have to be careful. If we mislynch here, we are in extreme danger of losing barring a miricle like what happened on night 1

Shouldve done this last day.

Vote: Checkbox

I'm gone for a day and we get a hammer?!

I've always had red on my scum radar, he never left. Just beacuase I foolishly OMGUS you doesn't mean that I forgot. Though you do make a great point with imopen.


Thanks for answering my question.

Frustration. When you are are the fast track to being mislynch number 2 after being fairly certain that you were pretty safe. And when you floundered under pressure like I did, you begin to get frustrated. When I saw your info posts, in my mindset it came out as "tee hee we know info that could help the town but were not going to tell you" also, it's not fun feeling like 1 vs all, and when you hear a suspected town player say they have information you feel like " oh god maybe that info can help me out please Someone help me". As to no never mind post, have you ever been upset and made a bad desicion and knew it was bad but you didn't care cause you were upset? And then later you are like " oh god i fucked up!" That is what happened to me.

Damn managing quotes on your phone is a pain.

Hah, I'd forgotten that I never went back to this! Nice try, but that's not what I saw (and I don't think being confused counts as a scum tell). As I said, Red was close when he said it was about TubeHunter asking for information.

Let's jump into Tube's head for a second. Stardust (someone who you strongly consider to be town) has just said that Iso is town and that he and Iso have a secret that is best kept secret for the moment. What would townTube think? Maybe something along the lines of "Oh good! Finally we know something the scum don't!" Would he care what it was? Probably, but he would care more about continuing to keep the scum in the dark. Would he immediately jump into the thread asking for more information? No way! He knows Stardust is town, he knows there must be a reason to keep the info hidden, so the most he should be asking for is a timeline on when this will be revealed. Instead we see
frustration.

So what about scumTube? I can tell you from experience that being scum and NOT knowing something is awful. In my first two scum games, power roles were hinted at and I just couldn't let it slide. I kept prodding, kept insisting that they weren't cleared until they claimed, even though everyone else had moved on. It got me lynched in the second game, for good reason. That frustration and fear that you won't be able to make your nightkill work (or worse, that you'll get caught doing it) is really innate. That's exactly what I saw in TubeHunter's post.[/quote]

Clownfish hit the nail on the head with "withhold info from the town" part. I realized what a bonehead thing that was to say almost immediately after. I'm pretty sure I figured it out anyways though.

Frankly I've have a question for checkbox and red.

Who are your scum suspects? (Yes, even me, as shocking as that is) why? ( box you don't really have to give your answer on me as we already know, but feel free to
add anything)

Just something about rcwrapy seems off. Which bugs me as i Pegged him as town going into day 2. his postings feel scummy When I get to an actuall computer ill elaborate more if you want.

Honestly I would have rather done it "tomorrow," so as not to derail the case on TubeHunter, but I had already promised to post my case by a certain time. So I simply followed through with it.

Well that's awkward.

How about this: Iso and TubeHunter are scum. Who is town?

I'm assuming me, seeing as he umped on my wagon. Reading is tech

Iso, my theory was in accordince with your and Stardust's "hidden info" I think I got most of the gist of it. I don't want to say too much, because I don't want to alert the actual scum if it is what I think it is. But I will ask this, does it have anything to do with roles?

Vanilla town....

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When did I say I didn't trust you? I have a theory, but it really doesn't matter. I'm tired of defending myself from a lynch that is coming no matter what. So just say why I'm scum and move on. Then when I flip town, you can actually win using your knowledge,

I just don't like the way stardust goes "Yeah don't worry about this information we know, but just to let you guys know, we totally have it"

If you're going to be using that post to cast the third vote here, you'd damn well better explain why that's scummy.

Of course. It's pure deflection. "Wait wait, people are looking at me, but LOOK! Here's this OTHER THING YOU SHOULD LOOK AT!! LET'S ALL DIVE IN!"

Also, ScumTubeHunter would very likely be absorbed in his own wagon and how to get out of it. His post shows that he hasn't been thinking about scumhunting others, just how to wiggle out of his own wagon.

Why are the two mutally exclusive? Besides, why would I want to delfect onto
stardust, a person that I have repetedly said to be town to me. What would I gain by throwing things onto him. I've stated repetedly that the scumteam is Checkbox/Red, so I don't know what i would gain from throwing crap on stardust.

Let me take A crack at it. By you saying that you have information, anyone who responds in a negative manner in basically giving themselves up to A gambit. What I was saying was if you have information only with ISP, then that only points to you both being scum. Though I don't suppose it matters now, I think I just hung myself

What about that is scum revealing?

The hell are you getting at stardust?

I'm so confused right now.....

Alright Stardust
Thoughts on Nihilist:

Early on in the game, I was forgiving towards him, due to his noobness. (you know, viewed him sorta like me, seeing as this is my first game) But, as the game went on, I beacame more suspicious of him, mostly due to his refusal to clarify on his suga vote, and his strange defensive reaction in which he basically responded with: "no, I don't want to answer his questions. You have to prod him two times to get a reaction to my case, and even then he declines to state a side. If I was to give him a alignment, it would be Scum. As to me not worrying about him, I have had alot on my mind, and with checkbox being one of my suspects, having him come out of the blue (to me) with a case, made
me focus on him a lot more. Basically, I'm positive I got conformation bias(i think that that is the correct term.) In which I said "Checkbox is a suspect, and he is voting for me, so that must make him scum." After cooling down a bit, I still think Checkbox is a high suspect for me, but now after thinking for a bit, I acutually think the correct lynch today is Red.

Unvote: Checkbox
Vote: RedNihilist

In this post you state a bunch of stuff that happened to justify your Red vote, but not why they happened. Why do those things point to Red being scum?

Separate question: How much was your vote on Red influenced by my case on him?

When he sees suga make an obvious scummy play, he makes a move on him. When grilled about his move, he has no response, due to his case not being very great to begin with. As for not answering questions, he isn't just not answering them, he can't answer them. When He does not
want to take sides on me vs checkbox, he actively says he has no comment on the isssue, feels he has something to hide. He wants to distance himself from his buddy Checkbox, for when I would flip town when i got lynched, they don't want both to be caught on the same wagon starting crew.

As for influence, I can't say that it hasn't been of some influence, for when someone who you believe to be town makes a case on someone you believe to be scum, of course you listen, but I've had these suspicions for the beginning.


From right now my read is the scumteam of Rednihilist/checkbox

Alright Stardust
Thoughts on Nihilist:

Early on in the game, I was forgiving towards him, due to his noobness. (you know, viewed him sorta like me, seeing as this is my first game) But, as the game went on, I beacame more suspicious of him, mostly due to his refusal to clarify on his suga vote, and his strange defensive reaction in which he basically responded with: "no, I don't want to answer his questions. You have to prod him two times to get a reaction to my case, and even then he declines to state a side. If I was to give him a alignment, it would be Scum. As to me not worrying about him, I have had alot on my mind, and with checkbox being one of my suspects, having him come out of the blue (to me) with a case, made me focus on him a lot more. Basically, I'm positive I got conformation bias(i think that that is the correct term.) In which I said "Checkbox is a suspect, and he is voting for me, so that
must make him scum." After cooling down a bit, I still think Checkbox is a high suspect for me, but now after thinking for a bit, I acutually think the correct lynch today is Red.

Unvote: Checkbox
Vote: RedNihilist