- How was Armed // Dangerous?
- I'd say drop Ooze. But that's just me. Earlier he could be called a true valuetown, but now? He has some value against Mono Red but it's not crazy either.
- Wasn't 4 Domri too fucking extreme?
- Warrior's Lesson. Am I bad for ever considering it? 1-mana Divination is pretty sweet.
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- Sat Nov 09, 2013 7:28 am
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- Tue Oct 15, 2013 11:23 pm
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If MonoU matchup is still the issue, consider Electrickery. I know, it looks like a trash for you - but it deals with their shitty weenie x/1 creatures and MoW tokens (not MoW himself sadly).
Btw, why you're not playing R-dominant deck? Satyrs and Cacklers for early pressure, while you still have access to the funsy toys like Rampager. Hum?
Btw, why you're not playing R-dominant deck? Satyrs and Cacklers for early pressure, while you still have access to the funsy toys like Rampager. Hum?
- Tue Oct 15, 2013 10:23 am
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Zhur-Taa is too cute. Gyre Goyf is the way to go.
Consider SB Gruul Charm, if meta will be full of Devotion Blue - you can wreck that double Nightveil Specters and other shitty fliers.
Your SB looks very, very weird. It's a mess. Skarrgs are imo just better Scavenging Oozes at the moment. Hammers are not for your deck. Wasteland Viper could be a cute 1-off.
Get some actual responses to decks. Mistcutter Hydras, Destructive Revelries, Fade into Antiquity?, Anger of the Gods/Flames of the Firebrand. Things to counter the meta you will have to face.
Nykthos is too powerfull for you. You can play decent RG Aggro/Midrange with mana sinks. Random Nykthos drop means that suddenly you win because you do something redencolous.
Oh, and actually Arbor Collosi seems to be pretty damn playable.
Consider SB Gruul Charm, if meta will be full of Devotion Blue - you can wreck that double Nightveil Specters and other shitty fliers.
Your SB looks very, very weird. It's a mess. Skarrgs are imo just better Scavenging Oozes at the moment. Hammers are not for your deck. Wasteland Viper could be a cute 1-off.
Get some actual responses to decks. Mistcutter Hydras, Destructive Revelries, Fade into Antiquity?, Anger of the Gods/Flames of the Firebrand. Things to counter the meta you will have to face.
Nykthos is too powerfull for you. You can play decent RG Aggro/Midrange with mana sinks. Random Nykthos drop means that suddenly you win because you do something redencolous.
Oh, and actually Arbor Collosi seems to be pretty damn playable.
- Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:13 am
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[deck]4 Elvish Mystic
4 Experiment One
4 Burning-Tree Emissary
4 Gyre Sage
2 Skarrg Guildmage
4 Polukranos
4 Stormbreath Dragon
4 Ruric Thar, the Unbowed
4 Domri Rade
2 Clan Defiance
4 Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
4 Stomping Ground
4 Temple of Abandon
10 Forest
2 Mountain[/deck]
I think this is the exact place where you want to be. Feel free to swap Clan Defiance for Blood. (and get 1-2 shocklands to have the mere possibility of casting Flesh). Deck can just combo out with Nykthos which makes it very explosive - still, it should be able to grind out games. Domri is a beast here.
4 Experiment One
4 Burning-Tree Emissary
4 Gyre Sage
2 Skarrg Guildmage
4 Polukranos
4 Stormbreath Dragon
4 Ruric Thar, the Unbowed
4 Domri Rade
2 Clan Defiance
4 Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
4 Stomping Ground
4 Temple of Abandon
10 Forest
2 Mountain[/deck]
I think this is the exact place where you want to be. Feel free to swap Clan Defiance for Blood. (and get 1-2 shocklands to have the mere possibility of casting Flesh). Deck can just combo out with Nykthos which makes it very explosive - still, it should be able to grind out games. Domri is a beast here.
- Thu Oct 03, 2013 5:48 pm
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- Thu Oct 03, 2013 5:23 pm
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Well, I'll explain what Gyre Goyf is to me - and then you will explain me why my train of thought is wrong and why still BTE is better. I'm not sarcastic, you're the one who has an actual touch with the deck and generally is just better deckbuilder. (hope that my rants here aren't annoying for you)
I want to cast T2 Gyre Goyf. He's 1/2 for 2 who does nothing.
But then, at T3 I cast something. It can be nearly anything this deck plays except of a dork. And based on construction of the decklist, this thing is scary.
My opponent has to kill what I've just played. It's a threat. It's probably a fucking Boon Satyr.
Gyre Goyf is 2/3 and gives me 1 mana.
My opponent kills Boon Satyr.
And then I cast Polukranos beacuse hell yeah, why not.
My opponent has to deal with Polukranos.
Gyre Goyf is 3/4.
Gyre Sage is imo a creature that is always in the shadows of other creatures. Threats. Nobody considers Gyre Goyf a
threat. It's *just* Gyre Sage. People have to constantly respond to your other threats while Gyre Sage becomes a beast.
BTE doesn't corespond with that strat at all as all he provides is tempo increase.
He's not another threat in your deck that takes your opponent's sight away from Gyre Sage.
He's a grizzly bear. They can remove Gyre Sage and leave BTE on the field. Nobody gives a fuck about it.
It's a fine thing that BTE fixes your mana sometimes, but I don't believe he's good enough to be in here. I think I'd rather have Satyr Hedonist or just another Scavenging Ooze.
I want to cast T2 Gyre Goyf. He's 1/2 for 2 who does nothing.
But then, at T3 I cast something. It can be nearly anything this deck plays except of a dork. And based on construction of the decklist, this thing is scary.
My opponent has to kill what I've just played. It's a threat. It's probably a fucking Boon Satyr.
Gyre Goyf is 2/3 and gives me 1 mana.
My opponent kills Boon Satyr.
And then I cast Polukranos beacuse hell yeah, why not.
My opponent has to deal with Polukranos.
Gyre Goyf is 3/4.
Gyre Sage is imo a creature that is always in the shadows of other creatures. Threats. Nobody considers Gyre Goyf a
threat. It's *just* Gyre Sage. People have to constantly respond to your other threats while Gyre Sage becomes a beast.
BTE doesn't corespond with that strat at all as all he provides is tempo increase.
He's not another threat in your deck that takes your opponent's sight away from Gyre Sage.
He's a grizzly bear. They can remove Gyre Sage and leave BTE on the field. Nobody gives a fuck about it.
It's a fine thing that BTE fixes your mana sometimes, but I don't believe he's good enough to be in here. I think I'd rather have Satyr Hedonist or just another Scavenging Ooze.
- Thu Oct 03, 2013 1:56 pm
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He's basically the best mana sink in the format IMO. Both abilities are extremally relevant. I'd love to have him in RDW. He's that fucking good.Skarrg Guildmage is a workhouse. I won a mull to 5 against U/W off his back and mutavault. Insane.
You can drop some amount of Scavenging Ooze. It's not a crazy card anymore, and remember that in multiples it becomes Grizzly Bear. So I'd do 2-2 split on Ooze/Skarrg and 4 Goyf Sages.
But then ew, you play BTE. I'd drop those fuckers but you're the boss here.
Swallower has his decks. Non-G decks find him usefull - but you just have better options. 2-2-1 on Crusher, Goliath and Polukranos?Probably going to replace Ember Swallower, he definitely underperformed. Hitting 7 mana for his monstrous when it would matter is just not feasible. I'm probably going to play Deadbridge in his place as well as some # of PolyK and Polis Crusher (2 deadbridge 1 more PolyK?). Hitting double red wasnt worth the trouble either, as I wanted to use my BTEs early unless I had
a nut Gyre Sage->BTE+4 drop hand.
- Thu Oct 03, 2013 4:26 am
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Kalonian Hydra sucks imo. It's too slow for current format, dies to Mizzium Mortars which is played even by RDW and generally is not where you want to be while tapping 5 mana.
I don't understand GCR in decklists like that. If you are looking for trample - you have Nylea. Your creatures don't need more removal-magnets with the promise of 2for1.
I agree on Domri and Hammer. But Hammer requires 2 red mana. Swallower is outclassed by other cards you have on your disposal imo. His Monstrous is not relevant enough to keep him with 5/5's available for the same price. Goliath and Polukranos can trade with Obzedat!
Yeah, Pity Fight sucks. So... -8 Forest +8 GR Lands, -4 Pity Fight +4 Domri ?
I don't understand GCR in decklists like that. If you are looking for trample - you have Nylea. Your creatures don't need more removal-magnets with the promise of 2for1.
I agree on Domri and Hammer. But Hammer requires 2 red mana. Swallower is outclassed by other cards you have on your disposal imo. His Monstrous is not relevant enough to keep him with 5/5's available for the same price. Goliath and Polukranos can trade with Obzedat!
Yeah, Pity Fight sucks. So... -8 Forest +8 GR Lands, -4 Pity Fight +4 Domri ?
- Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:05 am
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Why going Gruul over Mono Green?
[deck]Creatures:
4 Elvish Mystic
4 Experiment One
4 Kalonian Tusker
4 Gyre Sage
4 Scavenging Ooze
4 Boon Satyr
2 Nylea, God of the Hunt
2 Polukranos, World Eater
2 Deadbridge Goliath
Other Spells:
4 Pit Fight
2 Garruk, Caller of Beasts
Lands:
1 Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
2 Mutavault
21 Forest[/deck]
Thing you are actually getting from R is Xenagos. Fuck Xenagos. Have a beast. Removal suite is weak as fuck on the one hand - on the other hand, you have stable manabase, huge blowouts with Nykthos and monstrous consistency.
[deck]Creatures:
4 Elvish Mystic
4 Experiment One
4 Kalonian Tusker
4 Gyre Sage
4 Scavenging Ooze
4 Boon Satyr
2 Nylea, God of the Hunt
2 Polukranos, World Eater
2 Deadbridge Goliath
Other Spells:
4 Pit Fight
2 Garruk, Caller of Beasts
Lands:
1 Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
2 Mutavault
21 Forest[/deck]
Thing you are actually getting from R is Xenagos. Fuck Xenagos. Have a beast. Removal suite is weak as fuck on the one hand - on the other hand, you have stable manabase, huge blowouts with Nykthos and monstrous consistency.
- Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:50 pm
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And that's exactly why Savage Summoning is a Magic: The Gathering card. Just try it. Casting T5 EOT 5/5 Rampager really doesn't hurt. Especially since he can't be countered and can't be killed with Sorcery removal before he attacks.
In terms of Elspeth, not that much can be done. She's backbreaking. Flames of the Firebrand, Legion Loyalists or killing your opponent with burn after he taps out to cast her are the only way I know to get rid off her.
In terms of Elspeth, not that much can be done. She's backbreaking. Flames of the Firebrand, Legion Loyalists or killing your opponent with burn after he taps out to cast her are the only way I know to get rid off her.