Dies to Removal

Aodh

Been playing this deck the last few weeks against the field and it is fucking stupid: [deck] Creatures: 23 4 Firedrinker Satyr 4 Akroan Crusader 4 Satyr Hoplite 4 Monastery Swiftspear 4 Foundry Street Denizen 3 Frenzied Goblin Spells: 20 4 Dragon Mantle 4 Hammerhand 3 Titan's Strength 3 Coordinated...

Aodh

Well I guess it depends on whether you consider a midrange deck to be more of an aggro or control deck. I just think this is closer to a deck like Abzan midrange than it is to Jeskai Burn & Boss Sligh...and there are no threads in the "controlling variants" right now lol edit: @Aodh, ...

Aodh

where do i find brads newest list?^^ [deck] Creatures (12) 4 Butcher of the Horde 4 Goblin Rabblemaster 4 Seeker of the Way Planeswalkers (7) 1 Elspeth, Sun's Champion 3 Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker 3 Sorin, Solemn Visitor Spells (16) 3 Chained to the Rocks 4 Crackling Doom 4 Hordeling Outburst 4 Lig...

Aodh

This is a control deck. It rarely matters if your bomb is a 5/5 or a 6/6, which is what the fountains would do on average. I think you just need to survive against boss Sligh, and land drops that gain you life might facilitate this.

Aodh

The most dominant deck in the previous format ran 18 or so XBB spells and 4 BBB spells with 4 colorless sources. Works just fine and will help against Jeskai and the aggro decks of the world.

Aodh

The list can probably benefit from 4 Radiant Fountain.

Aodh

If only I could hose the Treasure Cruise decks without jank like Reverberate.

Embrace the jank, Ham.

Aodh

Necro! How about this list? 18 black (1 Urborg), 13 red, 12 white, 23 untapped, lots of pain. 12-11-10 (14)-4 curve. [deck]Creatures 4 Tormented Hero 4 Bloodsoaked Champion 4 Gnarled Scarhide 4 War-Name Aspirant 4 Pain Seer 1 Tymaret, Burger King 4 Goblin Rabblemaster 4 Butcher of the Horde Non-Crea...

Aodh

Anzac aggro players will eventually realize than junk is a midrange wedge.

Aodh

Do we really need that many sources for U and W, and is 10 fetches too conservative? Taking it up to 13 fetches and 1 shockland, we're still on 14 sources for the splash, but only 15 damage in our lands?

Aodh

How many shocklands do we need now? Can we just run 10-12 fetches plus the splash shockland(s) and call it good? I'm trying to debate how many Sacred Foundries I might ever need, and I'm not entirely sure I need any more than one.

Aodh

Idea’s obvious, but imagine a land/land/Spike/Probe/Wraith/Manamorphose/Cruise hand vs unknown deck. Would you keep it? Yes, I think so. I'll play the deck this Thursday and see if it has any merit. Of course we have enough spells to avoid the cantrip thing, but with the cantrips, our deck is liter...

Aodh

Is everyone comfortable with their manabases? How many untapped lands do we want? Maximum number of painlands?

We have 12-16 untapped in this past two pages of lists with a lot of 13/15 builds.

Aodh

The idea's to optimize the turn 4 goldfish frequency. Could even incorporate Manamorphose for even more cantrippiness, but would allow Delver to 1-for-1+time walk us too much.

Aodh

[deck]4 Gitaxian Probe
4 Street Wraith
4 Treasure Cruise

4 Lightning Bolt
4 Shard Volley
4 Lava Spike
4 Rift Bolt
4 Bump in the Night
4 Leyline of Punishment
4 Searing Blaze

12 fetch
1 Blood Crypt
1 Steam Vents
1 Stomping Grounds
5 Mountain[/deck]?

Aodh

Why would you stretch the mana to have each color one-drop? Just run 14 untapped black, 13 untapped red, 12 untapped white and run the black one-drop suite.

Aodh

I approve.

Aodh

At least one dragon should be Sarkhan; at least one land should be Swamp. Looks awesome, though.

Aodh

You also have 16 pump spells in a 10 creature deck and that simply cannot be right.

Aodh

I don't like much Brain Maggot. I play it a lot and always feel that it's so fragile and in last analyse it's one for one, because they will receive the card back. Spent all second turn making it happen it's a tempo loss... I agree that he's fragile and hasn't really had a place in MBA, but with 14...

Aodh

What about a hand disruption/card advantage MBA deck. I.e., 12 1-dudes, 4 Pain Seer, 4 Brain Maggot, 4 raid discard guy, 4 Mogis's Marauders, 4 Thoughtseize, 4 Downfall, 2-4 Despise, 2-0 Bile Blight/Boon of Erebos/etc.

Aodh

Hall of Triumph won't protect your 2/1s from Drown in Sorrow. I still like it, just not for that reason. Has anyone thought about running Radiant Fountain to help offset life loss and win some races? It's certainly better than basic swamp in some cases. Very nice idea, esp. with Rabble Red everywhe...

Aodh

RWB would have 4 Guide, 4 new dude, 4 Devil, 4 Eidolon, 2 Lavamancer or so? In any case, you're probably right, it just doesn't seem terrible. I'll be getting a playset to playtest with regardless and will let you know if I have any developments

Aodh

Right, which is half. Since 12-18 creatures, 20 lands, 22-28 spells. Not sure if it's excellent, but I don't think playing at sorcery speed is really something we care about.

Aodh

Aren't like more than half of our spells sorcery speed anyway?

Aodh

That may act as an alternative to Goblin Guide, but I doubt it. Testing required. Seems like a nice complement to Goblin Guide. Unless you have an awkward creature draw (which probably puts you in a fine position post-board if they've adjust their removal suite to account for your surplus of spells...

Aodh

Post board you have: 4 shocks 2 magma jet 2 magma spray 4 lightning strike 4 searing bloods Putting creatures into play is very risky from the burn side. So post-board it's a mirror match with one deck on 5 one-drops, 4 Rabblemaster, and 2 Purphoros and the other on 4 Chained to the Rocks, 2 lands,...

Aodh

I agree that Rabble Burn has a better "mirror match" than Rabble Red, but I don't see the gain against burn. Care to elaborate?

Aodh

What is the purpose of this deck when compared with Burn or Rabble Red? It seems like a lovely compromise, but seems to fall victim to the weaknesses of each more so than leveraging the advantages of each.

Aodh

I assume it depends on the number of colors right? We have access to all 16 now, and they're all functionally equivalent since our mana base is mountains plus fetchlands. Historically we've been running 8 in pretty much all varieties, but with access to more, do we want more?

Aodh

How many fetchlands should we run in R, Rx, Rxx, and Rbwg burn?

Aodh

If you have YP$ out, they have to +1; if you have Eidolon out, they have a choice. Remember that planeswalkers are good because they are flexible. Jace +1 makes all of our dudes into 1-power creatures, so there's no difference between AZ, YP$, EotGR when facing a Jace +1. The difference is that YP$ ...

Aodh

Yeah I've played a handful of games and prefer the 21 land. I've also been liking Titans Strength over Hall. The 3 damage adds up quick with Maakas and I always find the scry useful! Have you been trying the full 4 firefist?

I think 1 Hall of Triumph is fine.

Aodh

I don't play as UW control often, but from burn's side I would much rather attack for 1 damage and them draw one card than attack for 2 damage and them draw 3 cards. Divination + gain 2 life is better than Nyx-Fleece Ram, IMO.

Aodh

I understand that, and I was recently looking for a spell to do that since I got blown out by one before. But! Just because it beats drown in sorrow, doesn't mean it's "better" than Dynacharge. If it's not castable either because you're missing a white source or a third land, then it is ce...

Aodh

You can't fairly base the power of one card in conjunction with another since the probability of seeing both in one game is low (like 20%). Anyway, how has 18 R and 10 W been working for people? Historically we have wanted 19-20 R for RR spells and I generally want more colored sources.

Aodh

I'm not sure what everyone means about "late game." All of the other decks in the format have CA engines (MUD's Bident, Jace, and NVS, MBD, Esper, Jund's PWers and Polukranos wrath of god), so how can we realistically plan for the late game? The token generation is cool, but attacking with...

Aodh

I guess I mislabeled the deck I was actually trying to get feedback from. I have never like the enchantment nonsense in Boss Sligh. What I meant was like 30+ creatures, 16-18 lands, 8-14 spells red decks without Madcap Skills and Heroic.

Aodh

I'm not sure you can say that Fortify is better, but it's certainly a consideration to be made if you're in the market for that kind of effect. The reason I say it's not better is that it has W in it's mana cost, which you may not have in time, and it doesn't have the (1): shock mode. This aggressiv...

Aodh

Well you wouldn't actually mulligan the hand because of that card because if it's playable, you can't expect more out of actual 6...

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