Dies to Removal

I was sure that both Z and Wraith were Vanilla Townie, but was very unsure about everyone else.
I thought that both Fate and Manders could be the doctor, while being pretty sure Stardust wasn't.
That last day was crazy because I wasn't sold on Rezombad being scum, so I was reconsidering my ideas on Zem (and I also couln't keep on that "come on, I'm town façade without trying to set Wraith against Z or vice versa), but I couldn't not lynch rez after his being put at L-1; had he turned out town, I would have tried to NK Z.

Sorry for sucking so much, townies. Good game all the same. Congrats to the Ice and thanks to Kaze!

Who'd you save Night 1? Who'd you doc the Night you got killed? And what was your reasoning behind it? If I was in your position, I'd probably have just chosen myself (scum would probably want to test your claim; they have nothing to lose), but you've been playing for a lot longer than I have and must have found a very good target.

Kaze's mod notes (linked above) have the details, but I didn't save anyone Night 1. Ice failed to put in a kill (this is why the Captain
replaced out).

I targeted Manders, rezombad, rezombad. My reasoning was that I was reading them as town (second only to Wraith, but there was no way he was going to be targeted for the kill). I wanted to target Manders Night 3, but she hadn't put up enough of a showing to really solidify herself as town in later Days, and after Fate flipped town her experience had me worried. Right after my death annoucement I knew I'd been wrong to target rezmo.

Despite the wording in my role PM, I couldn't target myself. I confirmed that with Kaze soon after receiving my role (because it doesn't specify that I can't). I tried to drop some hints that I could throughout the game to throw the scum off, but that was nothing more than set up for more gambitry. I'd considered claiming a self-protect Night 1 to see who came back to call me out on it (basically, to see who went out of their way to PM Kaze to confirm), but never got put into that position anyway.

"... scum would probably want to test your claim;
they have nothing to lose" - They did have something to lose: my mislynch. Neither scum team believed my Doc claim. They both believed they could push me to lynch once the real doc outed themselves.

Game is pretty much over for town and I sqrewed up with Stardust and Fate. Red is really trying hard to seem the kingpin of posts from now on to move the game in whatever directio he sees fit. Rez is pointing to me to get the votes going. I am town and am being picked on just like Suga was. Not offended by this in the slightest as scum has played a great game. Scum pretty much has it in the bag, but it will be a fight with fire team left alive.

I am holding my vote on Rez and will not change as I think he is Ice. Ice has played a very quiet, controled game and Rezhas done so the entire game.

@Red, I voted in return fire cause it sounded like a good idea and still is. I wish people would stop using "OMGUS", "TOTES", and other retarded acronyms as it gives the impression you are a 15 year old, female, highschooler. It just sounds stupid. You have seen my over zelous responses before in Theros, thus
by these posts; I have not said any stupid emotional responses (only stupid reads).

Feel free to vote as I am town, but fire team must know this fact. Ice gets one nightkill, thus you better work with town or die.
Rez, Void, or Red vote sounds good to me. Rez is the stronger one in my opinion which has been wrong in the past.

Sure, Unvote.

So far I have been wrong about who I thought was Scum except G_R, but he was just a notion of doubt.

I picked who was town on the slaughter block fairly well. Everything about Fate screamed scum to me, but I was wrong.
So lets do a break down of who is left.
1. Zem, has pretty much voted anyone on the chopping block. (could be team ice)
2. Red, Very vocall to leave the stink of C.M. behind. (still don't trust him. (Could be fire)
3. Void, Voted G_R in the right moment, thus could be Fire.
4. Rez, very quiet and challenges everyone. He is my serious pick for scum as he has lurked most of the game and no one has challenged him. He is the first to say I am scum Ice, thus he is the first to cast the first stone day 4.
5. Wraith- I said Suga was not scum. Since EVERY scum pick
I threw out is wrong (except G_R), it appears I am the dumb ass Scum has chosen to leave behind. Damn, did we get the retard town (including me) this game or what?

Who do I think is town? Me and Zem. Thus I am going to give return fire to Rez.
Vote Rezombad

And so the citizens of Peaceville sat down for another day of deliberation.

Or they would be, rather, if five of them didn't decide to just pick up the spade and whack the motherfuck out of Fate a few hours into talks.

It is now Night 3. Do not post. Night ends 21 February, 2014 11:59PM EST

Vote Count 24!
Where we're going, we don't need roads

Stardust (0)
zemanjaski (0)
Void (0)
Wraith223 (0)
Fate (5) - Wraith223, Stardust, zemanjaski, RedNihilist, Void(HAMMAH)
RedNihilist (0)
Manders (0)
rezombad (0)

Not Voting (3) - Fate, Manders, rezombad

With 8 alive, it was 5 to lynch.

Damn! Fate got hammered fast and he is one of my stronger scum reads. So red is not on fates teams, and zem is checking anyone who pulls a vote on fate. Hmmmmm.

@rez, am I not town to you? I don't mind any questions or casing of me as it helps town to have more content from manders. Although I am concerned that you are day talking with manders to begin an attack me. Both of you have not clashed or really strongly communicated with each other till now. Asking for someone to case me seems like an order to scum.

That backfired on me hard. Stardust is 100% correct in the conversation we had yesterDay. I was got the reaction I was looking for in G_R and for that voted him for it. Then RL gets in the way and Night fall comes before I can explain my reasoning behind the naked vote. Had I foreseen this coming I would have the reasoning in the post where I voted G_R. But that is life and can't go back and change it. Hindsight and all that stuff.

Vote: Fate

That's L-1

Dude, it's not L-1, you hammered him.
I said he was at L-2 but voted him AFTER that...

n...

I don't know what to say... Your post confused me.

Wow...
12 hours 2 minutes into the day and Void hammers.

This is reminding me of Theros Pantheon Mafia. Except we're not going to regret this one. Right, Fate?

That backfired on me hard. Stardust is 100% correct in the conversation we had yesterDay. I was got the reaction I was looking for in G_R and for that voted him for it. Then RL gets in the way and Night fall comes before I can explain my reasoning behind the naked vote. Had I foreseen this coming I would have the reasoning in the post where I voted G_R. But that is life and can't go back and change it. Hindsight and all that stuff.

Vote: Fate

That's L-1

Dude, it's not L-1, you hammered him.
I said he was at L-2 but voted him AFTER that...

That backfired on me hard. Stardust is 100% correct in the conversation we had yesterDay. I was got the reaction I was looking for in G_R and for that voted him for it. Then RL gets in the way and Night fall comes before I can explain my reasoning behind the naked vote. Had I foreseen this coming I would have the reasoning in the post where I voted G_R. But that is life and can't go back and change it. Hindsight and all that stuff.

Vote: Fate

That's L-1

MY GUT WAS RIGHT AGAIN JESUS

Just rereading this, are you suggesting that your gut was still telling you GR was scum even while you were repeatedly calling him town? I call bullshit.

I think the only line where he's anything but town that made a harmless error is if I think he's scum buddies with fate; which I don't. It's plausible he could be making a play for town cred, but I don't think so.

The way he worded his response, before his more substantive explanation gave me pause but now I feel ok.

Town voting bloc: Zem, wraith, Rez, red? Next most likely town is Stardust I think.

Well, my immediate response was "what could red expect fate to claim that would get him to change his vote?"

We know there's 1 doc and otherwise you can only claim vt. Claiming vt should save you from a lynch because everyone will have to claim it; the structure, I think, is set up that 1 mafia =/= 1 doc; so claiming doc to trade for the real doc after they counter claim seems like a losing proposition.

So I just don't understand the Unvote; to make sense of it I figured that perhaps red didn't know the set up, or didn't know it was open. I'm not sure what to make of his response tbh.

Fate can either:
- claim Fire -> we're willing to lynch him;
- claim Ice -> would that give us any less reason to go on?
- claim Doc;
- claim Vanilla Townie.

The last claim is pretty much meaningless, so this lets us face with the lone hypothesis of him claiming Doc.
But, given the fact that he has been scummy during the whole game AND banded with (G_R) AND that he would be appealing to his last resort, would you believe him?

So Fate could claim Doc then, yes?

Well, I guess you're right, lol.
Vote Fate.

I was actually thinking that his winning condition right now consists in killing 2 ice mafia players, so we could force him to use his nightkill to to scumhunting purposes, but it just doesn't make sense. Going 5 against 2 and negating Fire mafia's nightkilling ability is probably the stronger play here.

Let's just vote Fate as well.

Fate claimed Fire mafia (this post), same as GR.

While trying not to keep that in mind, I reread GR's posts. Fate came out as most likely buddy. So I reread Fate. Buddy vibes are very strong there too.
So... yeah. Besides all that, Fate's been pretty scummy all by himself (mostly the reasoning behind his vote hops - like voting freedom Day 1 ahead of his three better leads). He's also been severely wrong three times (freedom, imopen, Suga), which I wouldn't normally use as evidence against someone except that Fate loves to remind us how good a player he is. It's time for him to go.

Vote Fate.

Yes! A scum got killed. I was having doubts the longer this game went on that imopen2 was scum as his posts were beginning to look more town. Sad to see him this morning in the night killed report.

@zem, I was not willing to lynch to either you or suga, but if forced, would vote for suga cause he had some weird scummy posts. I did not get to respond in time as someone hammered before I posted the response.

I told you people that suga was not scum. It explains G_R with his bloodlust for suga.

Indeed red, whascum team is Fate on? Also, Stardust is looking better for a scum player.

Vote Fate

Scum list
Fate
Stardust
Possible scum
Red nihilist
Void (vote parking on G_R to cover ass, but could be really hunting scum in his odd way.)

So, 5 against 3 now.
Fate, which side did you say you were?

Vote Count 23!
Hamlet quotes? What the hell, Kaze?

Stardust (0)
zemanjaski (0)
Void (0)
Wraith223 (0)
Fate (0)
RedNihilist (0)
Manders (0)
rezombad (0)

Not Voting (8) Stardust, zemanjaski, Void, Wraith223, Fate, RedNihilist, Manders, rezombad

With 8 alive, it is 5 to lynch.

Deadline is 5 March, 2014 11:59 PM EST

Vote Count 22!
Yes...I can see the ending.

Stardust (0)
zemanjaski (2) - DroppinSuga, Manders
Void (1) - imopen2
Wraith223 (0)
Fate (1) - Wraith223
RedNihilist (0)
DroppinSuga (6) - ( G_R ), rezombad, Fate, RedNihilist, zemanjaski, Stardust(Lynch!)
Manders (0)
rezombad (0)
(G_R) (1) - Void
imopen2 (0)

Not Voting (0)

With 11 alive, it was 6 to lynch.

Vote Count 21!
You're in the zone of my Eight Trigams!

Stardust (0)
zemanjaski (3) - DroppinSuga, Stardust, Manders
Void (1) - imopen2
Wraith223 (0)
Fate (1) - Wraith223
RedNihilist (0)
DroppinSuga (5) - ( G_R ), rezombad, Fate, RedNihilist, zemanjaski(L-1!)
Manders (0)
rezombad (0)
(G_R) (1) - Void
imopen2 (0)

Not Voting (0)

With 11 alive, it is 6 to lynch.

Deadline is: 16 February, 2014 11:59PM EST

Calling all town...we need some people to chime in so we don't lose precious day phases NOT finding scum.

I think void is the est lynch based of my case of him earlier.

There is a large variety of people I would be willing to lynch due to our time constraints. That list includes:

Void
Fate
Zem
Suga

Vote Count 20!
We must make it hard to look so easy~

Stardust (0)
zemanjaski (4) - DroppinSuga, Stardust, imopen2, Manders
Void (1) - imopen2
Wraith223 (0)
Fate (1) - Wraith223
RedNihilist (0)
DroppinSuga (4) - ( G_R ), rezombad, Fate, RedNihilist
Manders (0)
rezombad (0)
(G_R) (1) - Void
imopen2 (0)

Not Voting (1) - zemanjaski

With 11 alive, it is 6 to lynch.

Deadline is: 16 February, 2014 11:59PM EST

You have me voting twice.

I don't know if everything else is accurate or not

Thank you~

Vote Fate people!

Vote Count 20!
We must make it hard to look so easy~

Stardust (0)
zemanjaski (3) - DroppinSuga, Stardust, Manders
Void (1) - imopen2
Wraith223 (0)
Fate (1) - Wraith223
RedNihilist (0)
DroppinSuga (4) - ( G_R ), rezombad, Fate, RedNihilist
Manders (0)
rezombad (0)
(G_R) (1) - Void
imopen2 (0)

Not Voting (1) - zemanjaski

With 11 alive, it is 6 to lynch.

Deadline is: 16 February, 2014 11:59PM EST

K well we only have like 12 hours...I really don't think we want a no lynch

Fate is like my third or fourth on my scum list so I guess I'd lynch him if the other option is no lynch. Where all my peeps at?

So G_R is going for a no vote.

I read through the thread again and Void does challenge Stardust as I have recently. Why so many ignore this allows the con to work. I am not sure he is town, but from posts seen, he is not on a team with Fate or Stardust. I just don't see Void as the vote right now.

Anyone want to go after Fate? He claims scum, lurks, does not answers questions on his scum claim, and votes anyone on the chopping block.
Since no one wants to use their brain and go after Stardust:
Unvote, Vote Fate

Suga and Zem, I know you both have doubts on Fate being town from past posts. Lets make a block and see if the rest will stop the log jam.

@Red, I get tired of walls of text or just text in general. So many have complained that I write a confusing style that I decided to throw in Gifs to avoid confusion. Also, I find gifs to add that flavor of whatever message I am trying to convey. So, No, I want stop as it helps me convey that special message. Supernatural has really good gifs to select from as well for getting my message across.
Now on the matter of flavor gaming, I nailed it that the outsiders were possible Thassa, Erebos, and Nylea. I was wrong about Nylea and there was no way that I could deduce the sub god. Iso was a huge dick and knew I was on his trail. You were right about Mogis faking his death. I now know why flavor gaming is a bad call but I was right. Apperantly a pro player can lie out of anything.
I don't really know why Suga plays mafia cause any pressure causes him to resist what is wanted from the group or individuals
creating pressure (Fleshing out his rationality is not his strong point). There isn't really anything out of the ordinary here, but his style could hide a sleeper scum REALLY well. Thus I want to recognize others who do have doubts on his town possibility. My contention is that he is still the weak choice for scum hunting and should be considered late game. In the Theros game, He claimed to have lie detector ability and was excited to use it. He was killed by morons following Iso and appears to have become dissenchanted with other players/games. I was for a while as well. I would posit that Droppin Suga is Vanilla town (not excited) since he has little or no interest in the game so far.
Your predisessor was really the best choice and your play style is drastically different: Brat child/Aggresive semi-inactive versus mature thinkning/passive active. C.M. also said stupid shit frequently as well, and I will have to read you a little more to find alignment. Being consistent and having fleshed out reads/
votes on players helps as many still suspect you as scum. For the short time, I will give you the benefit of the doubt.

I noticed Stardust is staying away from me and my theory of a devious Doc claim plus "plan worked scheme". You would think the other scum team or both would have killed stardust night 1, but they haven't. This does not add up with claim of Doc plus the "my plan worked" statement.
Zem and DroppinSuga are another distraction, thus I ask you all again: Who is pushing the votes, who has the most to gain from X or Y player leaving the game, and who just pushing any nuub player vote? My list is Void, Stardust, G_R, Manders, and Fate. That is one to mant for the scum team, but some of these are the good players. Imopen2 is posting more town to me lately and I backing off for now until something else comes up. I am not a heartless jerk (maybe the jerk) that ignores the other leads to crucify one guy.

I see suspicious people (Suga, Fate, G_R, imopen2, Void, you), but I'm not the kind of guy with "solid scum reads".

Stardust - Good ole dustie. Needs to genderclaim because I see people using "he" and others using "she". Null read for the moment, I want to get more interaction with the specimen before taking a stance.
zemanjaski - His rage against Suga seems to be genuinely not game-related. The rest of his game so far seems compatible to TownZem, so I'm leaning town.
Void - I hate the way he plays and I fail miserably every time I try to read him. Good luck with that.
Wraith223 - Needs to stop posting GIFs but at least he's not trying to find Mogis. Still, I get town vibes from him, so I'll try to forget his performance in Theros Mafia.
Fate - I don't really get what kind of stunt he's pulling off by claiming scum, but that doesn't necessarily means he really is. Still, I don't like the self-awareness he's putting in his posts.
RedNihilist - Hi there.
DroppinSuga - I can't believe he's always SO scummy.
I don't know if he's acting really well but his behaviour is very compatible as his usual "OMG I'M TOWN WHY THE HELL ARE YOU PUTTING PRESSURE ON ME?!?" that he always throws at people when the focus gets set on him. And he's usually town. And not believing a similar read of mine in Theros Pantheon was just one of the misplays I made that ended up costing us the game. After the full reread I think I'm fine with him being lynched, though.
Manders - Good vibes here. The defense of imopen seems sincere, doesn't avoid discussion and doesn't seem to be putting up a team with anyone. Thumbs up here!
rezombad - After a full reread I see he didn't post really much, but I like what I've read. I mean, he's not posting often, but he's often coming in with good "reality checks" (in order: meta call on Void, Stardust's hammer, well motivated pressure on Suga), so thumbs up here.
(G_R) - Bands with Stardust, spends most of his posts hunting for Suga then backpedals in the end because &
quot;I guess I'm tunneling Suga real hard". I haven't got strictly bad feelings about him, but if Suga ends up flipping town (G_R) could be needing some attention.
imopen2 - He goes off with a bad start and that fabled townslip seems really suspicious to me. Yet he seems to recover later with some good points, but I really don't get why he suddenly stopped getting any attention.

Vote DroppinSuga

When Zem flips scum, we need to go after Fate. He's been buddying Zem the whole game.

Tell me more.

Just go back and search for Fate's post in this thread. Pretty much every post is in agreement with Zem or pushing Zem's agenda.

I want you to present the argument.

T/S List
Wraith223 - play consistent with his Town game; I like that he is willing to go against the grain and challenge players like Stardust. Sure, he contradicts himself sometimes, but I think that is an indicator of Town too.
rezombad* - playing the same as every game I have seen him as Town, right down to tunneling me to death. Don't ever change

(G_R) - hasn't done enough for me to get a read on him; that there are two scum teams greatly complicates my placing of him since what little scum hunting he has done could easily be scum hunting scum
Stardust - supported me a lot on Day 1. In DTR mafia he backed up Freedom when Freedom did dumb things; here he wanted to lynch Freedom. Maybe this is an indicator of a scum alignment? Add to that the doc claim and it is unclear to me. Questions overall have felt Town
though.
Fate - I have no idea what Fate is doing this game; could be either alignment
Void - never played with him before but I think the case against him is reasonable
Manders* - very passive play on Day 1 is excusable if it leads to something productive Day 2; Manders instead has remained passive only to wagon me at the end which seems very opportunistic.
RedNihilist r. Captain Murphy - replaced in for a possible scum player; said he would make some substantive posts but only commented on wraith's posts that were immediately above red's posts....now making excuses about being busy
imopen2 - already cased
DroppinSuga - already cased

In regards to how this game plays out, I don't have much more to say on the rage induced voting incident from a few days ago. All I ask is that you examine my play with that event put aside and then cast your vote accordingly.

When Zem flips scum, we need to go after Fate. He's been buddying Zem the whole game.

Tell me more.

Just go back and search for Fate's post in this thread. Pretty much every post is in agreement with Zem or pushing Zem's agenda.

When Zem flips scum, we need to go after Fate. He's been buddying Zem the whole game.

Tell me more.

Prodded.

I don't see why Zem would be a bad lynch at this point in the game. I just want to make it clear that I'm not voting him because of his rage towards me, I've felt he was scum the whole game. When Zem flips scum, we need to go after Fate. He's been buddying Zem the whole game.

Manders - Town.
rezombad - Town.
Wraith223 - Town.
RedNihilist - On the townie side of null
imopen2 - On the townie side of null
(G_R) - Null
Fate - On the scummy side of null
DroppinSuga - Maybe still scum
Void - Probably scum
zemanjaski - Probably scum

To elaborate on zemanjaski, it's not just that he's been bloodthirsty. It's also that he feels different. His posts are shorter and less thought-out. His direction appears to be dictated more by the flow of the game than by his own reads.

On reflection, I'd be quite alright with a Void lynch today too. Suga dropped in to help out after taking back his self-vote, but has disappeared again, so I'm still perfectly fine with lynching him too. His frustration felt sincere, but he unvoted himself quite soon after, making me wonder if it was all a stunt.