Dies to Removal

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Whoa, I didn't even see that post, LM, since I'm on my phone. It's like you knew what I was gonna say before I said it. Mind blown...

Leyline is in some builds of OmniTell...

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Love how Cedric called him the Young Pyromancer lo...

Kid is 13 and dropped Ross Merriam with those Firedancers. He might be on to something. We might want to recruit him. He's done better than me. :...

The pilot is 13 years old! And Patrick Sullivan gave him a pep talk: Kill your opponent with Burn! :rofl...

Sooo many differences in this build. Wow. I like the manabase...

[deck]Creatures (11) 4 Goblin Guide 3 Grim Lavamancer 4 Eidolon of the Great Revel Lands (20) 12 Mountain 4 Arid Mesa 4 Scalding Tarn Spells (29) 2 Sulfuric Vortex 4 Fireblast 4 Lightning Bolt 4 Price of Progress 3 Searing Blaze 4 Chain Lightning 4 Lava Spike 4 Rift Bolt Sideboard 3 Vexing Shusher 3 Satyr Firedancer 2 Mindbreak Trap 4 Red Elemental Blast 3 Smash to Smithereens [/deck] Firedancer. Damn. :evillol...

Burn in Top 8 at SCG Worcester. :toot...

Better double sleeve that shit...

You guys are gay homosexuals. I suspect that all of this talk of promo Lightning Bolts is just some underground slang for penis...

To bring back the grave hate discussion, I noticed that Oops All Spells was in the Top 8 of the Open where Forrest's list came from. That's definitely a matchup where you want the Macabre instead of Relic. Just an observation though...

Excellent post, redbro...

Now you think you're better than us? Big whoop, wanna fight about it...

I prefer Pillar over Mindbreak Trap because it's useful in multiple matchups. Trap is only good against combo. I always favor flexible options, especially in a deck like mono red where options are generally limited. Seems the list above didn't run Grim Lavamancer because he didn't run fetches, and not that he consciously decided to build his deck around not using Lavamancer. I feel that decks running him are superior to those that don't, and furthermore I think it helps to run 12 creatures to increase the number of creature threats that must be answered in the deck. On a personal note, I ordered foil Bolts, Fireblasts, and 12 matching FAL Mountains last week. Getting closer to an iced out Burn deck that I'll rarely pilot! Still need three foil Goblin Guide, four Eidolon (man, did those shoot up quick), three Sulfuric Vortex (those got printed in foil in Conspiracy), four Rift Bolt, four Lava Spike, and four Searing Blaze (the last three are pretty cheap). Hopefully the Onslaught fetches get reprinted in Khans so those are easy to acquire in foil as well! I have extra foil Rift Bolt and Lava Spikes... We may talk soon... :unibrow...

Fire is what comes out of my ass after eating Taco Bell. So basically, when I sling Bolts at people, I just imagine myself as a big German-speaking monkey throwing Taco Bell shit at another person until they die from it...

I have a few of those as well. I think they are simply German ones. Yeah. But you got to admit, it's the best language to speak if you're gonna be a Burn player...

I have some foreign old school Black Bordered bolts though. They say "Blitzschlag."...

Long live my foil FNM Fireblasts! Now that they are $50, I count myself lucky that I earned my foil MPR Bolts back when they came out. I never thought about ease of switching between decks. That might actually come in handy. Well if I can ever stomach playing the cesspool that is Modern, anyway (I still use white bordered Bolts in my Modern deck). When I signed up for the Rewards, I had JUST missed the Bolts. Sad face. Also, I wasn't playing competitively to get the Fireblasts back then though. Here's my awesome system for porting (if anyone's interested): http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/khaospawn/008_zps3b6c1aed.jpg I have everything in ProFits and then sleeved in KMC Pearl White. I have 3 deckboxes, 2 are housed in a Fat Pack box (they fit perfectly). The 3rd deckbox (the one signed by Patrick Sullivan) rests in a Mirrodin Beseiged promo box which also houses a box of dice and a pad for keeping track of life totals. This box houses whichever deck I'm bringing to whichever event. Right now it holds my Standard deck - http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/khaospawn/004_zpsc66c0181.jpg (I like showing it off) Anyways, I play pretty much the same deck in all Eternal formats. For Modern it's either RDW or Burn (between the two decks, it's probably only 12-16 cards difference, plus sideboard and manabase). And in Legacy, it's Burn, duh. But, again, there's only about 24 cards different. The main core between all 3 decks is pretty much the same: Searing Blaze, Goblin Guide, Lavamancer, Arid Mesa, Scalding Tarn, Smash to Smithereens, Mountain, etc. You get the idea. The Red Deck Box in the Fat Pack box holds the whatever Eternal Format deck is ready to go (right now it's the Modern RDW deck). All of the other cards - the Legacy stuff, the Modern Burn stuff, sideboards, and a few other playables - fit nicely in the White Deck Box and are readily accessible. After Standard FNM, (since Legacy is on Saturday and Modern is on Monday), I simply take my Standard deck out of the Mirrodin Box and replace it with the other Deck Box. If the Modern deck is already in the deck box, I just grab the 24 or so Legacy cards from the White Box and swap it all out. No muss, no fuss. Because of this, I've been able to streamline my collection big time...

I prefer Pillar over Mindbreak Trap because it's useful in multiple matchups. Trap is only good against combo. I always favor flexible options, especially in a deck like mono red where options are generally limited. Seems the list above didn't run Grim Lavamancer because he didn't run fetches, and not that he consciously decided to build his deck around not using Lavamancer. I feel that decks running him are superior to those that don't, and furthermore I think it helps to run 12 creatures to increase the number of creature threats that must be answered in the deck. On a personal note, I ordered foil Bolts, Fireblasts, and 12 matching FAL Mountains last week. Getting closer to an iced out Burn deck that I'll rarely pilot! Still need three foil Goblin Guide, four Eidolon (man, did those shoot up quick), three Sulfuric Vortex (those got printed in foil in Conspiracy), four Rift Bolt, four Lava Spike, and four Searing Blaze (the last three are pretty cheap). Hopefully the Onslaught fetches get reprinted in Khans so those are easy to acquire in foil as well! I have extra foil Rift Bolt and Lava Spikes.....

All I want is a pack foil Goblin Guide to complete my set. I'm in no rush to get foil Eidolons just yet. I already have foil M10 Lighting Bolts, FNM Rift Bolts, MM Lava Spikes, Searing Blazes (and Bloods), a single Flame Rift, Vexing Shushers, and M12 Lavamancers. I use the Veronique Meignaud Mountains from Zendikar, but I'm thinking of switching over to the Foil Jon Avon Mountains from RTR after Standard rotation. http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/khaospawn/sfhdf_zps071e235d.jpg I truly despise any of the foil Fire and Lightning cards - PoP, Fireblast, etc. I prefer the old border, not just for nostalgic reasons, but for when I port it back and forth for Modern, it's easier to identify the Legacy cards from the Modern cards...

Blaklanner, thoughts on the prevalence of Pillar over Mindbreak Trap lately...

9th place at yesterday's SCG Open: [deck] Creatures (8) 4 Goblin Guide 4 Eidolon of the Great Revel Spells (32) 2 Sulfuric Vortex 4 Fireblast 4 Lightning Bolt 4 Price of Progress 3 Searing Blaze 4 Chain Lightning 3 Flame Rift 4 Lava Spike 4 Rift Bolt Lands (20) 20 Mountain Sideboard 15 3 Ensnaring Bridge 2 Relic of Progenitus 2 Vexing Shusher 2 Pyrostatic Pillar 1 Sulfuric Vortex 3 Searing Blood 2 Smash to Smithereens [/deck] Lavamancer took the cut to bring back Flame Rift. And zero fetches. :o Although, it's probably not a bad decision considering there is no Lava Man and the deck does a lot of self inflicted damage with Eidolon, Vortex, and Flame Rift. Also, there must be something I'm not getting since almost every decklist I've seen from the Open Series in the last month has eschewed Mindbreak Trap in favor of Pyrostatic Pillar. My first thought was because of Elves, which makes a lot of sense. But I've also seen some TES lists and Belcher lists. SO confused. Thoughts, anyone? Burn is at the point where it has a lot of good cards. Maybe too many. But they're all needed. Decisions, decisions......

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Miracles has been on the rise. I'd probably pack some Vexing Shushers in the boar...

Delver circle jerk featuring lands and shardless? It was mostly Delver and Merfolk back when I decided to play Legacy again. Since then it's slowly gravitated more to a combo-heavy environment, which is pretty bad for me...

I never play on MTGO, mainly because I just don't have the time. And it sounds like your paper meta is pretty much the same as mine...

Can...Can you teach me how to do that...

In my experience the mirror I'm glad you said this. It makes me realize I have very little experience playing against the Burn mirror in Legacy. Is there anything you can share, LM...

For that meta, your sideboard looks really solid. However, if you start running into ANT and TES, you'll want those Mindbreak Traps...

Bro meltdown Get in that etched champion ass That's.....a really solid suggestion. :smileup...

It's a frog, Purp. :frog: Yeah, Smash is the better choice, but I have to make a meta call. Affinity is guaranteed to be in my area. So it's to my benefit to include Spree. Actually, I'm running a 2/1 split on Smash and Spree...

I like Shattering Spree to fight Chalice decks and Affinity, but that's a meta call. There are numerous versions of these decks floating around where I occasionally play. And for those that don't know, Spree copies don't get countered by a Chalice on 1. But, I guess Shusher keeps any spell from being countered too....so, yeah. What the hell do I know? :shrug: I do know that this frog is amazeballz! :frog...

See all those Delver decks running around? Jund decks? Yeah, Price is usually hitting for 6 on turn 3...

Do we really care that much about Tarmogoyf that we want to bring in Relic to fight it though? Why dilute our deck for a 3/4 or 4/5? Can we not beat their clock? I'm being serious. I don't get to play Legacy around here. :( You're absolutely right. Burn is capable of winning on turn 3-4. It's not enough time for a Tarmogoyf to really threaten you. These kind of decks are what Burn preys on. However, with that said, I think I'd like to have a Relic of Progenitus for BUG aggro since it runs Tarmogoyf, DRS, and even Tombstalker The graveyard plays a central role in that deck and if I'm stuck playing a long game against that deck, I'd like to have some insurance. Here's something I've found a little interesting: the reason why all of these recent lists are running Relic of Progenitus is because of Jon Thiel's 9th place deck at SCG Indianapolis. Every online and paper list I've seen since then has just been some mutation of Thiel's deck: [deck] Land 20 9 Mountain 4 Arid Mesa 4 Scalding Tarn 3 Wooded Foothills Creatures 12 4 Goblin Guide 4 Grim Lavamancer 4 Eidolon of the Great Revel Spells 28 4 Lightning Bolt 4 Lava Spike 4 Flame Rift 4 Chain Lightning 4 Searing Blaze 4 Fireblast 4 Rift Bolt SIDEBOARD 15 3 Relic of Progenitus 3 Shattering Spree 3 Price of Progress 3 Pyrostatic Pillar 3 Searing Blood [/deck] It does look like a work of art, doesn't it? It's where I got the idea to run both Eidolon and Pillar when I went to go play some Legacy about a week ago. But I digress... I believe that, right now, it's somewhat essential to have some GY hate in Burn. There's a lot of choices - Relic, Crypt, Macabre, etc. Each has it's function. But you don't need them for the majority fair decks. You got to remember that whatever you sideboard in you're removing precious Burn spells with which you need to aim at your opponent's head, so you have to be absolutely sure that what's going in will either keep you from losing instantly or is going to turn a quite unwinnable matchup into a real chance...

First time I've been offered anal over the internet Not sure how I feel about this We can either go with it or never speak about it again. The balls are in your court...

I'm dumb. I meant to write BUG aggro. You mean team America, cause if were going to use the traditional neckbeard names for these decks let's go balls fucking deep with this shit Let's see how balls deep this rabbit hole goes. :gonk...

It's what I get for working 12 hours and then pretending like I know Legacy. :lol...

I should sig that I think you should...