Dies to Removal

I'm dumb. I meant to write BUG aggro.

The Relic is good against Canadian Threshold and RUG delver. Both decks right now are pretty much the number 1 'fair' aggro deck. That Mongoose can be pretty nasty at times.

But really, we are pretty favored in those matchups anyway. We WANT to be playing against fair decks. It's the combo decks that destroy Burn.

For Dredge, you also have to remember the 'Bolt your own dude' trick to get rid of the Bridges.

I prefer faerie macabre to stop the turn 0 decks that can stop you cold, like Oops All Spells and Reanimator that can land an Iona right away.

The board really has all the bases covered. For playing in my local area, I'd run it after swapping the Searing Bloods for REBs and doing a 10/10 split on fetched and Mountains.

I love that list!

And yes, Eidolon is the bee's knees.

PSully's played REB in the past.

I found this article last Saturday night/Sunday morning while digging up as much info as I could on sideboarding for Legacy Burn. Also found a lot of weird stuff from about 2 years ago. Like, did you know that Patrick Sullivan made an all spells U/R Burn deck with Brainstorms and shit and was all like,"THIS IS THE BEST DECK EVER!" ?

Did you check this thread Khaos? Last time I checked there was some excellent SBing info in there

Also

Yeah, good ole MTG Salvation lol

PSully's played REB in the past.

I found this article last Saturday night/Sunday morning while digging up as much info as I could on sideboarding for Legacy Burn. Also found a lot of weird stuff from about 2 years ago. Like, did you know that Patrick Sullivan made an all spells U/R Burn deck with Brainstorms and shit and was all like,"THIS IS THE BEST DECK EVER!" ?

I liked this article. It's a little dated, but it's solid and still mostly relevant.

http://legitmtg.com/competitive/priemer ... -and-burn/

guess I'm a pussy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0mQ9MxrBA4

Burn isn't for pussies.

Who cares about taking 6 when they're dead!?

I actually prefer Searing Blaze in the main when playing Eidolon since it helps ensure he'll connect for some damage.

Val, I love that list, but it needs Rift Bolt. You may be able to move Blaze or Rift to the board to make room for it. The deck needs 16 "Lightning Bolts. "

I dunno man. Hellspark turns on your opponent's removal spells. Our best matchups are the decks like Delver decks and Death and Taxes - essentially fair decks. Now that Swords to Plowshares has a better target than the Goblin Guide that already got in for some damage. And then there's DRS, which was already mentioned....


I'm not saying he's bad, but there are stronger cards with less drawback.

I am really not a fan of Hellspark in a format full of Deathrite Shamans itching to gain life off of it. Ash Zealot is too easily rendered harmless and will likely not do enough damage to justify the mana/card.

Indeed!

Meta calls are what they are. I can understand your decision on all the Pillar effects. I like your second list more than the first since it has ways to better fight the lifegain that is a real pain in our ass. I do prefer Eidolon main as it gives me extra game against decks we are somewhat weaker to like Elves but want something that can block or I can kill off if the race gets too tight.

I play Crypt over Macabre because I sometimes bring in Crypt to fight things like Goyf and Mongoose. I also like wiping out the entire graveyard instead of a few cards whenever possible. It does make me weaker to Leyline of Sanctity though as it targets. Turn 1 kills with Dredge/Reanimator are rare enough that I am willing to take the risk.

I play fetchless because
Stifle is a big thing here. My lower land count means I may not see another land if I lose one to a Stifle. Certainly just a preference/meta call as I do lose out on Searing Blaze and Lavamancer by making this choice. I do keep bouncing between Mindbreak Trap and Pyroblast in my last sideboard slot. So hard to decide.

Great points, Blaklanner. I think that if you're already maindecking Eidolon, you've already got an edge over decks like TES and Elves, provided TES doesn't go off turn 1, so I think the Pyroblast would be a great choice. Since you're missing out on Searing Blaze, the Pyroblasts would function as Terrors against decks like Merfolk, as well as (like you said) being able to blow up Omniscience and counter Stifle. Another option could be Vexing Shusher, as Miracles is picking up steam again (both online and in paper).

But, like you said, it's really all a metagame call. You know your area better than I do.

I wish people played Legacy in my area.

But if I were to attend a Legacy tournament in the near future, I'd run this:

[deck]
Creatures (18)
4 Goblin Guide
3 Grim Lavamancer
4 Eidolon of the Great Revel
4 Ash Zealot
3 Hellspark Elemental

Spells (22)
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Chain Lightning
4 Searing Blaze
4 Price of Progress
2 Sulfuric Vortex
4 Fireblast

Lands (20)
4 Scalding Tarn
4 Arid Mesa
2 Bloodstained Mire
10 Mountain

Sideboard (15)
1 Grim Lavamancer
3 Vexing Shusher
4 Searing Blood
2 Smash to Smithereens
3 Ensnaring Bridge
2 Sulfuric Vortex
[/deck]

It's a lot more like RDW than Burn, but I honestly think that's the direction the deck ought to start taking. I think maindeck Eidolon is a hell of
a card to have against Storm, Elves, and Delver and all of those combined are a sizable portion of the meta. One consequence of the 60 is that it's much weaker to Sneak/Show in game one but that's not a good game one for Burn either so it's kind of a wash.

I think you're missing out on not playing Rift Bolt and Lava Spike, but you're absolutely right about Eidolon.

I know how you feel about wanting to find some Legacy tournaments. I have to travel 30-40 minutes into Tampa to play Legacy on Saturday if I really want to play. It's also the same for Modern - I can play on Mondays if I want to make a 25-30 minute drive down to St. Pete. Lately the crowds have been getting smaller for both formats, but the tournaments always fire with at least 8. As of now, I'd say only the hardcore players are left, which sometimes isn't a bad thing considering that the hardcore players have higher skill levels and tier 1 decks.

It can be rough when you get that incidental splash damage or variance. I highly advise against having Flame Rift and Eidolon in your deck at the same time as 6 damage is just too much to safely take in most fights. You definitely need Sulfuric Vortex somewhere in your 75 to fight against Batterskull and Jitte. You have no need for Pyrostatic Pillar if you have Eidolon, 7 of such effects is simply overkill. You might want to consider Pyroblast/REB in your sideboard if Omnitell is the weapon of choice. Knocking out their Omniscience is a game-ender for them.

This is my current loadout:
[deck]Burn[/deck]

You can cut the Devils and Marauders for your Lavamancers (you probably don't need 4) and Searing effects. If Omnitell and All Spells is that common, cut the Mindbreak Traps for Pyroblast/REB. Manabase is up to you since you run fetches/Lavamancer.

The second list that I posted is where I'm at now. I liked Eidolon in the main, but I also felt that he was 'win-more' in some of the Game 1's I played. Also, fetches + Lavamancer 4lyfe!

The reason why I played Pillar and Eidolon together was because I wanted the overkill. My TES buddy and I played a ton of games beforehand and he always knew what to go for when he played Cabal Therapy. The Pillars kept him from guessing correctly and I pretty much always had a Pyrostatic effect to drop on turn 2. Mindbreak Trap was pointless
sometimes because he would play Silence and it was a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' thing because you either counter the Silence and die or you get Silenced and die. I was also told to expect some other crazy combo decks, so the Pillars made sense.

But I digress. The second list I posted is what I've been playing for a long time and I'm very comfortable with it. That goes a long way with me.

I like your sideboard. It's very similiar to what I'm running: 3 Searing effects, 3 Storm disruptor (I use Eidolon and you use Mindbreak Trap), 3 artifact hate, 3 Show n Tell hate (I do a 2/1 split on Bridge and Ashen Rider), and 3 graveyard hate. I'm curious as to why you want Tormod's Crypt over Faerie Macabre. Both have their strengths. I prefer the Faerie because I can play it when I'm on the draw and haven't had a turn yet.

I played in a little Legacy tournament Saturday with this:

[deck]
Creature 12
4 Goblin Guide
4 Grim Lavamancer
4 Eidolon of the Great Revel

Burn 28
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Rift Bolt
4 Chain Lightning
4 Lava Spike
4 Fireblast
4 Price of Progress
4 Searing Blaze

Land 20
2 Bloodstained Mire
4 Arid Mesa
4 Scalding Tarn
10 Mountain

Sideboard 15
4 Flame Rift
2 Searing Blood
3 Shattering Spree
3 Pyrostatic Pillar
3 Faerie Macabre
[/deck]

My metagame is actually a nightmare for Burn. These were the decks present: OmniTell, Sneak and Show, Oops All Spells!, Affinity, Death and Taxes, TES, and Esper Stoneblade.

That's some scary shit! The only decks I wanted to play against were Death and Taxes, Affinity, and Stoneblade!

As luck would have it, I got paired against my buddy playing TES and we drew in
Round 1, cuz fuck driving to Tampa just to play my friend in Round 1 and plus we were starving for some Thai food next door. I beat Affinity in Round 2 easily enough because Eidolon + Shattering Spree + 6 Searing effects = GG. Stoneblade in Round 3 was practically a bye when Price of Progress is nailing your opponent for 6 and 8 damage. I lost in Round 4 to Death and Taxes when I get stuck on 2 land and got Port locked out of being able to dump my hand full of Flame Rifts. In Game 2, I draw every single Fireblast while, again, stuck on 2 land. He equips a Jitte to a Serra Avenger and I die on the inside as well on the outside.

I got lucky to play against all of the fair decks, but I'm kind of stuck on where to go next. For starters, I need Bridge in the board if I'm going to encounter Show and Tell decks. I'
m honestly still in love with this list that I took from P-Sulli awhile back (with my own sideboard tweaks):

[deck]
Creature 8
4 Goblin Guide
4 Grim Lavamancer

Burn 28
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Rift Bolt
4 Chain Lightning
4 Lava Spike
4 Fireblast
4 Price of Progress
4 Flame Rift

Enchantment 3
3 Sulfuric Vortex

Land 21
4 Arid Mesa
4 Bloodstained Mire
4 Scalding Tarn
9 Mountain

Sideboard 15
3 Eidolon of the Great Revel
3 Searing Blaze
2 Smash to Smithereens
1 Shattering Spree
3 Faerie Macabre
2 Ensnaring Bridge
1 Ashen Rider
[/deck]

I hate trying to figure out Legacy metagames...

I don't know what this song is that you speak of, LM, but I'm now convinced that both you and the server are now jealous of my Super Saiyan Swagger.

The server was just jealous of my Super Saiyan Swagger

If I wanted to raise pussies, I would've named my kids Doctor Quinn and Medicine Woman!

I'm high on PCP.

And I like Vicky Valencourt. And she showed me her boobies and I liked those too!

Dammit, Keith. You spammed our Sandler thread with your Magic stuff!

You got your peanut butter in my chocolate!


Hi, I'm officer Reeses. *blam*

You may continue to quote the good movie, but I leave it as an exercise to figure out which one that is...

It's Click, isn't it?

That movie was such a downer. It was like, sad and shit.

Guess what? Your back's gonna hurt. Cuz you just pulled landscaping duty.

This is handmade quality shit we're talking here.

Good news, everyone. Arts and crafts time has been extended by FOUR hour today!

And that was the last we heard from Platypus. May he rest in pieces.

I think you've had enough. No. Now you've had enough. Bitch.

*walks away shadow boxing*

No, Colonel Sanders, you're wrong!

Stop looking at me, swan!

Choke is unplayable because it is green.

No that makes it infinitely more playable

Green sucks. Red is better.

It makes the hair silky and smooth.

LM is colorblind. He sees Green and Red cards as the same color.

Bar none the easiest thread to derail

We're a bunch of hasty, impulsive, Red Mages. Dafuq did you expect?

You don't want the answer to that

It couldn't be anything worse than what Madding would spew out, amiright?

Bar none the easiest thread to derail

We're a bunch of hasty, impulsive, Red Mages. Dafuq did you expect?

You guys merely adopted the fire. I was born in it. Molded by it. I didn't feel the lightning until I had become a man.

So does that mean burn players are super villains?

If so, I am totally onboard

We're the best kind of super villains.

Once you have tapped all of your Islands, then, you have my permission to fry.

It's simple, you kill the Batman. I mean, you kill the Mystic or Jitte bearer with a Searing Blaze, Lavamancer, or Bolt. Then you kill the Batman.