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Postby Khaospawn » Sun Aug 17, 2014 9:23 pm

They're crucial against decks like Tron and Scapeshift. They're almost always 4 damage before turn 5 because they just can't afford to let you create a presence.
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Postby Khaospawn » Sun Aug 17, 2014 9:25 pm

And I have been battling a LOT of Scapeshift and Tron, lol.

They're not bad against other decks. Sometimes they live and just crash into Spellskites, Restoration Angels, and Wall of Roots/Omens. You can side them out against certain decks, like ScOoze decks.
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Postby Platypus » Sun Aug 17, 2014 9:39 pm

I want your guys' thoughts on Vulshok Refugee. Mirror tech over Dragon's Claw?
Or Akki Lavarunner for some real trollolloll...

Edit: Forget that, card is crap. Didn't see first that it helps the opponent as well.
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Postby Khaospawn » Mon Aug 18, 2014 3:17 am

I went 3-1 in another DE today, losing to U/W Control in Round 4. After beating him easily Game 1, he opens Game 2 with a Leyline and I fail to fight through that. We had a very close Game 3. He was at 5 and I was holding a Flames of the Blood Hand and a Skullcrack with only 4 Mountains. He cast Leyline so I hit him with the Flames to bring him to 1. He follows up with a Baneslayer Angel and has the Spell Snare to use on my Skullcrack that I tried to use on myself to stop the life gain. After that, I saw the writing on the wall...
Mono Red Burn
[deck]
Creatures 12
4 Goblin Guide
4 Vexing Devil
4 Eidolon of the Great Revel

Burn 28
2 Forked Bolt
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Rift Bolt
4 Lava Spike
4 Searing Blaze
4 Skullcrack
2 Flames of the Blood Hand
4 Molten Rain

Land 20
4 Arid Mesa
16 Mountain


Sideboard
2 Cryoclasm
2 Peak Eruption
2 Dragon's Claw
2 Relic
of Progenitus
2 Pyrite Spellbomb
2 Searing Blood
3 Smash to Smithereens
[/deck]
First Daily 3-1
R1: Hexproof Loss 0-2

R2: UR Delver Win 2-1 (Received my first condescending chat after beating him :evillol: )

R3: UWR Control Win 2-0

R4: GR Tron Win 2-0
Second Daily 3-1
R1: Scapeshift Win 2-1

R2: Mono U Tron Win 2-1

R3: UR Twin Win 2-1

R4: UW Control Loss 1-2
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Postby Khaospawn » Mon Aug 18, 2014 3:19 am

I'm getting pretty good fighting through counters and Wurmcoils. I wonder what tomorrow will bring...
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Postby magicdownunder » Mon Aug 18, 2014 3:25 am

Nice Work :smileup: record your games already :argh:

I'm also giving up on RDW for online, burn just does the job better when ScOoze are in the format.
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Postby Khaospawn » Mon Aug 18, 2014 3:55 am

Nice Work :smileup: record your games already :argh:

I'm also giving up on RDW for online, burn just does the job better when ScOoze are in the format.
Thanks. ^_^ My laptop is pretty primitive, but I have 2 more days of this mini-vacation left so I'll see what I can do tomorrow about attempting to record.

All this practice/testing/grinding is going to pay off, hopefully: I'm going to a PTQ next Saturday. I've spent the last 24 hours hardcore grinding and I
have 48 more to go.


As for RDW, yeah, your assessment is spot-on: ScOoze is just not nice to the deck. I decided last night once and for all to go full steam ahead with Burn for MTGO and the upcoming PTQ. Now that I know without a doubt what I'm going to play, the games have been easier. Less stress, I guess. :shrug:
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Postby magicdownunder » Mon Aug 18, 2014 12:51 pm

I got my 3-1 in the DE I actually lost my 3rd game because for some reason even though I was seated #1 based on my breakers they decide to pair me down against Ad nauseam :sweat:

Grated I had the 2nd match in the bag but I forgot that Angel's Grace was a split second spell (which costed me the game).

I beat: GR Tron (aka GP Fail), Junk and UB Fae - the vids will be out next week.
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Postby Khaospawn » Mon Aug 18, 2014 6:31 pm

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That sudden realization when you're not gonna win.

He conceded right after he played the Tidebinder.
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Postby hamfactorial » Mon Aug 18, 2014 6:51 pm

That Eidolon feel

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Postby Khaospawn » Mon Aug 18, 2014 6:54 pm

Fucking card is so good.
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Postby hamfactorial » Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:08 pm

Up to 10 tickets a pop on MTGO.

Dat investment :unibrow:

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Postby Khaospawn » Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:17 pm

wow, they've doubled in the last month
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Postby Khaospawn » Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:31 pm

I just lost to Junk in Game 3 when I brought him to 1 life and he casts a Leyline of Sanctity. I proceed to draw 4 Mountains in a row. :cry:
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Postby Khaospawn » Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:34 pm

I think I'm having a bad day. I've lost 4 matches today and only won 1. Terrible openers, worse mulligans, and NUMEROUS games where I've lost simply because I flooded out.

Mono U Tron - Loss 0-2
Merfolk - Win 2-0
Junk - Loss 1-2 (Got him to 1, flooded out, died with 10 lands on table)
Affinity - Loss 1-2
Scapeshift - Loss 0-2 (Flooded heavy both games 9+ lands)


I need to take a break until the 7 pm DE. :suicide:
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Postby hamfactorial » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:09 pm

I blame Kait

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Postby Khaospawn » Tue Aug 19, 2014 3:11 am

Went 3-1 on another DE.

[deck]
Creatures 12
4 Goblin Guide
4 Vexing Devil
4 Eidolon of the Great Revel

Burn 28
2 Forked Bolt
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Rift Bolt
4 Lava Spike
4 Searing Blaze
4 Skullcrack
2 Flames of the Blood Hand
4 Molten Rain

Land 20
4 Arid Mesa
16 Mountain


Sideboard
2 Cryoclasm
2 Volcanic Fallout
2 Dragon's Claw
2 Relic of Progenitus
2 Pyrite Spellbomb
2 Searing Blood
3 Smash to Smithereens
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I took out the Peak Eruptions for Fallout and I'm loving it.

R1: U/W Control - [b:bqlss0vc]Loss[/b:bqlss0vc] (Rastafoo) 1-2 (Rastafoo is a friend of mine IRL- a very good player. I beat him Game 2 with the Fallout and flooded in Game 3 to lose. :frown: )

R2: R/b Burn - [b:bqlss0vc]Win[/b:bqlss0vc] 2-1 (He damaged himself a lot trying to kill me.)

R3: B/W Tokens - [b:bqlss0vc]Win[/
b:bqlss0vc] 2-0 (Best play of the night: I have a land and 2 Lightning Bolts in hand with a Goblin Guide on the board and I'm tapped out. Dude plays a Tidehollow Sculler and takes a Bolt. I untap, draw a Searing Blaze, play my land and Blaze the Sculler. I get my Bolt back, double Bolt him and swing FTW with my Guide. He was not pleased.)

R4: Mono Red Burn - [b:bqlss0vc]Win[/b:bqlss0vc] 2-1 (Slagel79) (This guy is good. I would almost call this a true mirror since he is also on Vexing Devils, but he was also playing Shard Volley. Whatever the case may be, I only won thanks to Dragon's Claw. I had one in my opener for Game 2 while on the play, which made that game a cakewalk. In Game 3, I was near death and managed to topdeck one. Clawing my way back (get it!?) was no easy feat - I messed up big by not boarding out my Eidolons while on the draw. Still, I'm very happy with the way I managed to stay alive, even though I'll admit I was a little lucky.)
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Postby Khaospawn » Tue Aug 19, 2014 10:13 pm

Went 3-0 in an 8-Man with this:

[deck]
Creatures 12
4 Goblin Guide
4 Vexing Devil
4 Eidolon of the Great Revel

Burn 28
2 Forked Bolt
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Rift Bolt
4 Lava Spike
2 Magma Jet
4 Searing Blaze
4 Skullcrack
4 Flames of the Blood Hand

Land 20
4 Arid Mesa
16 Mountain


Sideboard
2 Guerrilla Tactics
2 Volcanic Fallout
2 Dragon's Claw
2 Relic of Progenitus
2 Pyrite Spellbomb
2 Searing Blood
3 Smash to Smithereens
[/deck]

I cut the land destruction after I had some bad games in a DE. My first match was U-Tron and I was feeling naked without the Molten Rains, but I was able to get there without them.

R1: U-Tron (shoktroopa) Win 2-1

R2: Mono Red Burn (Bualvor) Win 2-1 (To prove that it's not always about who lands the Claw first, I never saw mine and he had 1 on Turn 2 for Games 2 and 3.)

R3: Junk (YYsapporo) Win[
/b] 2-0
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Postby hoeiberg » Wed Aug 20, 2014 9:57 am

Went 3-0 in an 8-Man with this:

[deck]
Creatures 12
4 Goblin Guide
4 Vexing Devil
4 Eidolon of the Great Revel

Burn 28
2 Forked Bolt
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Rift Bolt
4 Lava Spike
2 Magma Jet
4 Searing Blaze
4 Skullcrack
4 Flames of the Blood Hand

Land 20
4 Arid Mesa
16 Mountain


Sideboard
2 Guerrilla Tactics
2 Volcanic Fallout
2 Dragon's Claw
2 Relic of Progenitus
2 Pyrite Spellbomb
2 Searing Blood
3 Smash to Smithereens
[/deck]

I cut the land destruction after I had some bad games in a DE. My first match was U-Tron and I was feeling naked without the Molten Rains, but I was able to get there without them.

R1: U-Tron (shoktroopa) Win 2-1

R2: Mono Red Burn (Bualvor) Win 2-1 (
To prove that it's not always about who lands the Claw first, I never saw mine and he had 1 on Turn 2 for Games 2 and 3.)

R3: Junk (YYsapporo) Win 2-0
How much worse does this deck become if i were to cut the fetches? I've been wanting to move from standard into modern for some time, but getting the 4 fetches is too much of an "up front" investment for me at the moment. So, is this decks still serviceable without the fetches or are they an absolute must have?

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Postby Platypus » Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:37 am

Khaospawn will probably comment on it, but I'd say that in this particular build going fetchless has a lower impact than in a build with Grim Lavamancers. You lose some flexibility with the Searing Blazes, but that's about it. Deck thinning with only four fetches is minimal.
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Postby hoeiberg » Wed Aug 20, 2014 11:04 am

Should i keep the Blazes even with no fetches or should i switch to Searing Blood?

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Postby Platypus » Wed Aug 20, 2014 11:05 am

I'd keep the Blazes.
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Postby Khaospawn » Wed Aug 20, 2014 11:18 am

20 mountains with Blazes will still work. You may not want the full set, but they're still powerful.
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Postby magicdownunder » Wed Aug 20, 2014 12:19 pm

Examples of fetch-less burn decks which have taken down populated daily events (link)

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Postby Khaospawn » Wed Aug 20, 2014 12:57 pm

I'm sure he has a point buried underneath his rambling, passive aggressive posts. I'm just not sure what it is. The guy sounds like an obvious tool.
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Postby Khaospawn » Wed Aug 20, 2014 1:24 pm

Catty is also a term used to described argumentative, bitchy women.
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why use the word catty when I can just use the word bitch.
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Postby Khaospawn » Wed Aug 20, 2014 1:42 pm

Catty is strictly an adjective.
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Postby hamfactorial » Wed Aug 20, 2014 1:43 pm

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Postby hoeiberg » Wed Aug 20, 2014 2:25 pm

Examples of fetch-less burn decks which have taken down populated daily events (link)
Thanks, I'll start from there
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Postby Jack » Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:52 pm

Went 3-0 in an 8-Man with this:

I cut the land destruction after I had some bad games in a DE. My first match was U-Tron and I was feeling naked without the Molten Rains, but I was able to get there without them.

R1: U-Tron (shoktroopa) Win 2-1

R2: Mono Red Burn (Bualvor) Win 2-1 (To prove that it's not always about who lands the Claw first, I never saw mine and he had 1 on Turn 2 for Games 2 and 3.)

R3: Junk (YYsapporo) Win 2-0
If you want a bit of an ego boost, shoktroopa has been playing blue tron for years, and is pretty much the only guy who did a lot of innovation/development with the deck to shape the list into what most players run now.
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Postby Khaospawn » Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:33 pm

Went 3-0 in an 8-Man with this:

I cut the land destruction after I had some bad games in a DE. My first match was U-Tron and I was feeling naked without the Molten Rains, but I was able to get there without them.

R1: U-Tron (shoktroopa) Win 2-1

R2: Mono Red Burn (Bualvor) Win 2-1 (To prove that it's not always about who lands the Claw first, I never saw mine and he had 1 on Turn 2 for Games 2 and 3.)

R3: Junk (YYsapporo) Win 2-0
If you want a bit of an ego boost, shoktroopa has been playing blue tron for
years, and is pretty much the only guy who did a lot of innovation/development with the deck to shape the list into what most players run now.
We chatted a bit in Game 1 before he Mindslavered me and double Searing Blazed my Goblin Guide before Lava Spiking me to death. :lol: I also learned that he can't cast my suspended Rift Bolt during my turn that he controlled. Interesting.

After that, I got my game face on and went to war. :D He seemed like a cool dude.
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Postby LP, of the Fires » Thu Aug 21, 2014 12:03 am

Going to a PTQ this weekend. Either playing burn or Ensoul Affinity. Litterally depends on how good the sideboard guide I get is.
You gotta understand, I love the beatdown. I really do. I always have.

Beatdown is hard, though.


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Postby Khaospawn » Thu Aug 21, 2014 12:09 am

Going to a PTQ this weekend. Either playing burn or Ensoul Affinity. Litterally depends on how good the sideboard guide I get is.
I'm playing in a PTQ too! ;-)

If you play Ensoul Affinity, I don't know if I can respect you again until the weekend is over.
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Postby Khaospawn » Thu Aug 21, 2014 12:15 am

Well, guys, I'm almost done with my week of testing and I believe I'm almost where I want to be in paper. I keep bouncing back and forth between LD and the Black splash for Bump and Charm, but I believe that my list is beginning to take shape into this form:

[deck]
Creatures 13
4 Goblin Guide
4 Eidolon of the Great Revel
4 Vexing Devil
1 Grim Lavamancer

Sorcery 10
2 Forked Bolt
4 Lava Spike
4 Rift Bolt

Instant 18
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Searing Blaze
4 Skullcrack
4 Flames of the Blood Hand
2 Volcanic Fallout

Land 19
4 Arid Mesa
4 Scalding Tarn
9 Mountain
2 Stomping Ground

Sideboard 15
3 Destructive Revelry
2 Pyrite Spellbomb
2 Searing Blood
2 Guerrilla Tactics
2 Dragon's Claw
2 Relic of Progenitus
2 Molten Rain
[/deck]


I know, I know. It looks weird. But it feels right.


This would be my other option simply due to the amount of
time I've spent playing it this week:
The LD Version
[deck]
Creatures 13
4 Goblin Guide
4 Eidolon of the Great Revel
4 Vexing Devil
1 Grim Lavamancer

Burn 28
2 Forked Bolt
4 Lava Spike
4 Rift Bolt
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Searing Blaze
4 Skullcrack
2 Flames of the Blood Hand
4 Molten Rain

Land 19
4 Arid Mesa
4 Scalding Tarn
9 Mountain
2 Stomping Ground

Sideboard 15
3 Destructive Revelry
2 Pyrite Spellbomb
2 Searing Blood
2 Guerrilla Tactics
2 Dragon's Claw
2 Relic of Progenitus
2 Volcanic Fallout
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Postby LP, of the Fires » Thu Aug 21, 2014 12:22 am

Looks fine. I still prefer white for Boros charm and war priest of thune, but you're build looks very good.
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Postby LP, of the Fires » Thu Aug 21, 2014 12:24 am

Definitely looks a land short though. I'll just assume you're smarter then me.
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Postby Khaospawn » Thu Aug 21, 2014 12:24 am

I'm expecting to see a Rock decks, Pod, Tron and Affinity as the big hitters. But I'm also expecting to wade through a bunch of little creature decks like Merfolk, Burn, and UR Delver.
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Postby Khaospawn » Thu Aug 21, 2014 12:26 am

Definitely looks a land short though. I'll just assume you're smarter then me.
The Grim Lavamancer is kind of a freebie. I played a bunch of games today in paper and I felt that I saw a lot more land than I really needed, so I swapped a Mountain out. Just a feel thing at the moment. He may go back to being a Mountain. I really just want to draw a bunch of immediate damage spells.
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