Dies to Removal

Tarns are indeed going that high. Thankfully, Wooded Foothills and Bloodstained Mire are Legacy legal and less than half that price. Those foreign bridges are worth a good bit.

-3 Lavamancers, +3 Pyroblast for Invi... Thoughts?

-3 Lavamancers, +3 Pyroblast for Invi... Thoughts?

That is going rather deep, giving up some staying power to have a possible advantage in game 1. It is true that Brainstorm will be everywhere at the invitational but I don't think that is a direction we want to go. How many decks would you really plan to bring it in against anyway? Half of the Brainstorm decks don't require a Pyroblast-style response.

I got the chance to play some legacy recently, and I'm really digging skullcrack over flame rift.

I think smash to smithereens / shattering spree might be necessary in the board though.

Why do you like skullcrack

Why deal 3 damage when you can deal four? And it's not targeted!

Because Skullcrack hits for 7 if your opponent has their stupid fucking batterskull.

Batterskull gets owned by Smash to Smithereen. Sulfuric Vortex is also good verse it.

How is your opponent even alive to cast Batterskull. much less attack with it?

Sometimes they get to cheat it in. He shouldn't live long enough to do much with it.

Sometimes they get to cheat it in. He shouldn't live long enough to do much with it.

Every time I see a Stoneforge Mystic, I hear "SHOOT HER!" in my head.

I only kill her on sight if I have a Searing Blood or I don't have a Smash on hand to take out what it brings in.

Suppose you see plains mother of runes, do you kill that on sight

I certainly give it a lot of thought. That card can shut down the rest of our removal.

So I am for sure running:

SB
4 Ensnaring Bridge
4 Pyroblast

Suppose you see plains mother of runes, do you kill that on sight

SHOOT HER!

Suppose you see plains mother of runes, do you kill that on sight

SHOOT HER!

FEED HER

Suppose you see plains mother of runes, do you kill that on sight

SHOOT HER!

FEED HER

Swords to Plowshares HER

We are red, not white. We fry her.

Aether Vial > stoneforge mystic > batter skull. Batterskull was out on T4 (he was on the play, I was on mull to 6).

Games don't always end quickly. With 20 -21 land, floods happen frequently.

Sword of Fire and Ice raped me in one game too. I think smash to smithereens is probably a good call, but I still want something to replace flame rift with.

There are lots of cards you could replace them with


Just all of them are awful and only sometimes better than flamerift (afaik)

Creatures? Then you turn on swords/decay/terminus more so

Other spells? Other than 3 for 2(a la skull crack), there isn't anything your not already playing, and if there was, you'd probably be playing it already.

Look at this o.0:

http://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=6895&d=239602&f=LE

List appeals to me, but seems odd. Budget?

Looks like a bit of one which is odd since the two precon decks give you 95% of what you need. I don't think Magma Jet has any place in a Legacy deck. The rest is reasonable but I would take Flame Rift over Skullcrack and find room for Sulfuric Vortex somewhere in the 75. The Pyroclasms feel a little off as well since he has Pyrostatic Pillar already.

They do different things though.

While they do technically, the purpose of both is to punish opponents for playing cheap spells. One does it before the creatures hit the board, one after. Elves is the only deck where I could see both being particularly useful and I don't think we have the sideboard space to run both.

I think pillar is probably just better, no?

I prefer pyroclasm vs elves. That matchup is such a race that typically it comes down to you being very low life, and pillar will just kill you.

That is reasonable. I am experimenting with Pillar right now since I didn't have it in my 75. I just brought in Searing Blood and Ensnaring Bridge.

I don't play enough legacy to be good at it. Can you guys help me not suck? Can we assemble a stock 75 + sb guide for the primer? I'll help anyway I can, but I admit I'm a legacy scrub and don't know what I'm doing.

There is a stock 75 on the first post for fetchless as well as a few ideas for sideboarding. I know there are a few posts in the thread for versions that run fetches and Lavamancer.

Do we have a forum approved 75 though? Maybe come up with one with fetches, one without? I have fetches and use them.

Legacy decks are often a bit of trial and error to match your local metagame. It is much more difficult to get a "forum approved" version of the deck because of that. Purp's 75 in post 4 is a good start for a "fetchful" deck. I would move to 9 fetches/10 mountains. I also have a list in post 21 tuned to my preferences. Most of our decks will be within a few cards of each other since at least 30 of the spells are must-haves.

Here is my Invi list so far, will probably change once I do some testing tonight. Thoughts?

[deck]3 Grim Lavamancer
4 Goblin Guide

4 Lightning Bolt
4 Chain Lightning
4 Lava spike
4 Price of Progress
4 Flame Rift
3 Sulfuric Vortex
4 Fireblast
4 Rift Bolt
1 Ensnaring Bridge

12 Mountains
8 Fetches

SB
3 Ensnaring Bridge
4 Pyroblast
3 Mindbreak Trap
3 Smash to Smithereens
2 Pyroclasm[/deck]

You only have 59 cards. I am not sure about the main deck bridge but if you think you need it for where you are going, I can't say that I don't understand. You are taking a risk with not having any graveyard hate though. I don't know how popular dredge will be at the invi but it is a rough fight without backup.

I could -1 Bridge, +2 Searing blaze.

Would I want Faerie Macabre or Surgical Extraction?

Either would work. Macabre doesn't cost life and hits 2 cards but can only hit what is there. Extraction costs 2 life (irrelevant in a dredge fight normally) and only hits one card but it rips it from their deck.

What deck do you want yard hate for?

Oh dredge, surgical is better, hitting one of their key cards is huge, eating two cards usually isn't enough especially if they get a strong start

That said dredge is largely a budget deck (excluding led dredge), I doubt a anyone would take it to an invitational