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Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 4:53 pm
by Khaospawn

I think you're the one being a little dramatic here, Jerry. Nobody else took issue because it isn't really that important to most people, and is only a minor inconvenience. The outcome is growth for the site for those of us who care about that, which is actually just good for everyone, in or out of the clan.
Alex, I'm not kidding when I say it hurts my eyes. And Jerry is not being dramatic.

The strength of the FoS is that we regulate ourselves for the most part. I think a simple announcement would've sufficed.

I understand what you're trying to do and I respect that, Alex. I really do. But we don't need an eyesore like that thing around here. We're not children.

Also, we're Red Mages. We make rules...but they're more
like guidelines, really.

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 4:54 pm
by Khaospawn
It's gone!

Thank you, Alex.

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 4:55 pm
by Khaospawn
Now look at me with your special eyes.

MY BRAND!


Anybody know that commercial I just referenced? No? Lame...

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 4:55 pm
by Alex
I didn't remove it.

It isn't my fault the forum announcement feature is horrifically ugly. I would have made it prettier if that were within my powers.

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 4:55 pm
by TubeHunter
Argument is the perfect time to strike with maze's end

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 4:58 pm
by Khaospawn
I didn't remove it.

It isn't my fault the forum announcement feature is horrifically ugly. I would have made it prettier if that were within my powers.
You didn't? Then where did it go???

:iiam:

:sherlock:

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 4:58 pm
by hamfactorial
Argument is the perfect time to strike with maze's end
In response, activate Alchemist's Refuge, cast Amulet of Vigor. Resolves, cast Door to Nothingness. Amulet trigger, untap Door. Show you the door?

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 4:59 pm
by redthirst
Meh... it's not a big deal one way or the other as far as I'm concerned.

Also, the council thing isn't like some sort of member dictatorship that everything has to be passed through for approval - it's more like if an issue just happens to come up then we already have a group everyone trusts set aside to deal with it (like what happened on Sally). If anyone gets offered a position on the staff or something I don't think it's any of our business what they do with that unless they just want to make it our business.

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 5:01 pm
by Khaospawn
Our leader is wise and powerful.

When he speaks, it's as if we're children listening to an adult talk about things we couldn't possibly understand.

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 5:01 pm
by Alex
Meh... it's not a big deal one way or the other as far as I'm concerned.
It feels pretty weird to be on the opposite end of the random drama shitstorm. Usually I'm the one stirring the pot intentionally, this time I'm feeling like an ingredient. :gonk:

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 5:02 pm
by Khaospawn
Meh... it's not a big deal one way or the other as far as I'm concerned.
It feels pretty weird to be on the opposite end of the random drama shitstorm. Usually I'm the one stirring the pot intentionally, this time I'm feeling like an ingredient. :gonk:
We still love you anyway. :hug:

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 5:03 pm
by TubeHunter
Argument is the perfect time to strike with maze's end
In response, activate Alchemist's Refuge, cast Amulet of Vigor. Resolves, cast Door to Nothingness. Amulet trigger, untap Door. Show you the door?
If you have that much mana ham, I've already finished the race. Nice try though, you probably just got lost. :)

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 5:04 pm
by photodyer
I would find a breakdown of decks that did well at States pretty interesting, personally. I just couldn't figure out how to split the posts into a new topic within the mod panel.

I think you're the one being a little dramatic here, Jerry. Nobody else took issue because it isn't really that important to most people, and is only a minor inconvenience. The outcome is growth for the site for those of us who care about that, which is actually just good for everyone, in or out of the clan.

If we were as big as MTGS I probably wouldn't give a shit whatsoever because the forums would populate themselves, but unless we put some effort into getting to that point we're just going to continue to be a couple dozen dudes on the internet intelectually circlejerking one
another.
States Top 8's for this past weekend (those under the auspices of Glenn Goddard) are all posted as received on http://www.sleeveup.com/. As to stats across the whole sample...I got nothin' more sophisticated to suggested than counting the old-fashioned way.

As to my statements, Alex, the folks in this clan that have been here from the start can tell you that I have no qualms about calling things exactly as I see them and about setting boundaries. Yes, we want to produce quality content and draw members, but our clan thread is whatever we choose to let it be. We left Sally because people got butthurt over our expressing ourselves as we chose and saying what we could and could not talk about. You are stepping over a line in trying to badger us into doing what you want. Yet again, I am all for better organization, but leave THIS thread and THIS forum the fuck alone. It's the tree house, man...we don't want to pick up our socks,
thank you...and if we want to engage in mental masturbation, we can choose to do that, too.

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 5:05 pm
by photodyer
It's gone!

Thank you, Alex.
You're welcome, brother Khaos.

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 5:09 pm
by Valdarith
Now look at me with your special eyes.

MY BRAND!


Anybody know that commercial I just referenced? No? Lame...
Contacts.com

You're talking to the guy that has the whole dialogue from the old lady on the Scooter Store commercial memorized. Yeah...

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 5:12 pm
by Alex
I would find a breakdown of decks that did well at States pretty interesting, personally. I just couldn't figure out how to split the posts into a new topic within the mod panel.

I think you're the one being a little dramatic here, Jerry. Nobody else took issue because it isn't really that important to most people, and is only a minor inconvenience. The outcome is growth for the site for those of us who care about that, which is actually just good for everyone, in or out of the clan.

If we were as big as MTGS I probably wouldn't give a shit whatsoever because the forums would populate themselves, but
unless we put some effort into getting to that point we're just going to continue to be a couple dozen dudes on the internet intelectually circlejerking one another.
As to my statements, Alex, the folks in this clan that have been here from the start can tell you that I have no qualms about calling things exactly as I see them and about setting boundaries. Yes, we want to produce quality content and draw members, but our clan thread is whatever we choose to let it be. We left Sally because people got butthurt over our expressing ourselves as we chose and saying what we could and could not talk about. You are stepping over a line in trying to badger us into doing what you want. Yet again, I am all for better organization, but leave THIS thread and THIS forum the fuck alone. It's the tree house, man...we don't want to pick up our socks, thank you...and if we want to engage in mental masturbation, we can choose to do that, too.
So tl;dr: you're taking excess issue
with something that wasn't really that much of an issue. You'll notice that nobody else was really fired up about it. I'm sorry that you think I'm stepping into your role (key organizer) but I'm doing it to make this site better for everybody. Sorry if you feel like you're a casualty to the greater good.

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 5:12 pm
by photodyer
Now look at me with your special eyes.

MY BRAND!


Anybody know that commercial I just referenced? No? Lame...
Contacts.com

You're talking to the guy that has the whole dialogue from the old lady on the Scooter Store commercial memorized. Yeah...
Val...please tell me you don't walk around quoting the Progressive commercials... :no2:

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 5:13 pm
by hamfactorial
Argument is the perfect time to strike with maze's end
In response, activate Alchemist's Refuge, cast Amulet of Vigor. Resolves, cast Door to Nothingness. Amulet trigger, untap Door. Show you the door?
If you have that much mana ham, I've already finished the race. Nice try though, you probably just got lost. :)
I have a Kiki-Jiki, Mirror
Breaker
with Illusionist's Bracers on it, so I cast Zealous Conscripts, steal your Maze's End, tap my Kiki targeting my Conscripts to make two copies of Conscripts. The copies ETB, one steals another land and the other untaps my Kiki. I repeat until I have all of your lands and I can show you the Door AND the Maze's End.

How does it feel?

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 5:14 pm
by redthirst
You are wrong, Zord! Your ray is NO MATCH for Lord Gorloc!

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 5:20 pm
by TubeHunter
Argument is the perfect time to strike with maze's end
In response, activate Alchemist's Refuge, cast Amulet of Vigor. Resolves, cast Door to Nothingness. Amulet trigger, untap Door. Show you the door?
If you have that much mana ham, I've already finished the race. Nice try though, you
probably just got lost. :)
I have a Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker with Illusionist's Bracers on it, so I cast Zealous Conscripts, steal your Maze's End, tap my Kiki targeting my Conscripts to make two copies of Conscripts. The copies ETB, one steals another land and the other untaps my Kiki. I repeat until I have all of your lands and I can show you the Door AND the Maze's End.

How does it feel?
In response to conscipts kill Kiki Jiki?


Image

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 5:20 pm
by Khaospawn
It's gone!

Thank you, Alex.
You're welcome, brother Khaos.
Ah, I see what you did there. Thank you, Jerry.

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 5:20 pm
by hamfactorial

I have a [c]Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
with Illusionist's Bracers on it, so I cast Zealous Conscripts, steal your Maze's End, tap my Kiki targeting my Conscripts to make two copies of Conscripts. The copies ETB, one steals another land and the other untaps my Kiki. I repeat until I have all of your lands and I can show you the Door AND the Maze's End.

How does it feel?
In response to conscipts kill Kiki Jiki?


Image
AWW SHIT. KIKI DIES TO REMOVAL!

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 5:21 pm
by photodyer
I would find a breakdown of decks that did well at States pretty interesting, personally. I just couldn't figure out how to split the posts into a new topic within the mod panel.

I think you're the one being a little dramatic here, Jerry. Nobody else took issue because it isn't really that important to most people, and is only a minor inconvenience. The outcome is growth for the site for those of us who care about that, which is actually just good for
everyone, in or out of the clan.

If we were as big as MTGS I probably wouldn't give a shit whatsoever because the forums would populate themselves, but unless we put some effort into getting to that point we're just going to continue to be a couple dozen dudes on the internet intelectually circlejerking one another.
As to my statements, Alex, the folks in this clan that have been here from the start can tell you that I have no qualms about calling things exactly as I see them and about setting boundaries. Yes, we want to produce quality content and draw members, but our clan thread is whatever we choose to let it be. We left Sally because people got butthurt over our expressing ourselves as we chose and saying what we could and could not talk about. You are stepping over a line in trying to badger us into doing what you want. Yet again, I am all for better organization, but leave THIS thread and THIS forum the fuck alone. It's the tree house, man...we don't want to pick up our
socks, thank you...and if we want to engage in mental masturbation, we can choose to do that, too.
So tl;dr: you're taking excess issue with something that wasn't really that much of an issue. You'll notice that nobody else was really fired up about it. I'm sorry that you think I'm stepping into your role (key organizer) but I'm doing it to make this site better for everybody. Sorry if you feel like you're a casualty to the greater good.
Wrong button, Alex...try again. Dude, I don't have the time or desire to even TRY to be "the" organizer here; I wanted to organize the Brewery as it had outgrown the thread we started with, and I did. As to the open area--Standard in particular--that's all you and Zeman (which means you because Z doesn't do codemonkey stuff). Quit deflecting, Alex; I WELCOME your commitment to better organization and content and am glad you care to do it, but--and this is the last time I will clarify--LEAVE THE CLAN THREAD AND
IT'S CONTAINING FORUM OUT OF SAID PLAN. You're a remarkably intelligent guy, so stop being obtuse about this. This isn't about emotional investment in organizing this place--sorry, but once you have kids, you learn the real meaning of such things--it's about not having to filter or second-guess what we choose to share in the clan thread. Period.

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 5:22 pm
by TubeHunter
Argument is the perfect time to strike with maze's end
In
response, activate Alchemist's Refuge, cast Amulet of Vigor. Resolves, cast Door to Nothingness. Amulet trigger, untap Door. Show you the door?
If you have that much mana ham, I've already finished the race. Nice try though, you probably just got lost. :)
I have a Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker with Illusionist's Bracers on it, so I cast Zealous Conscripts, steal your Maze's End, tap my Kiki targeting my Conscripts to make two copies of Conscripts. The copies ETB, one steals another land and the other untaps my Kiki. I repeat until I have all of your lands and I can show you the Door AND the Maze's End.

How does it feel?
In response to conscipts kill Kiki Jiki?


[img]http://www.empowernetwork&
#46;com/teamxanadu/files/2013/03/easy-buttons800x800.jpg[/img]
AWW SHIT. KIKI DIES TO REMOVAL!
Thats what you get when you rely on fragile creatures to win rather than the one land who rules them all.

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 5:25 pm
by windstrider
My suggestions:
1. Post outside content here for general discussion amongst ourselves. Many people don't have a lot of time, and it's annoying to have to jump to multiple threads to read about what topped the latest tournament or read a good strategy article. These types of things are good for clan discussion.
2. Also, post that content in the appropriate thread to continue any specific discussion and grow the content of the site.
3. Specific, member-generated content should be posted in the appropriate thread. The various brewery threads and z's new articles are very good examples of this in action. Post links here for people who may have missed it. I know this seems like a contradiction to point 1, but it's really not.
4. As redthirst is the moderator for the clubhouse, he should have final say in what color the walls are painted.

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 5:25 pm
by windstrider
Now hug.

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 5:27 pm
by Khaospawn
touch boobs.

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 5:27 pm
by Alex
I would find a breakdown of decks that did well at States pretty interesting, personally. I just couldn't figure out how to split the posts into a new topic within the mod panel.

I think you're the one being a little dramatic here, Jerry. Nobody else took issue because it isn't really that
important to most people, and is only a minor inconvenience. The outcome is growth for the site for those of us who care about that, which is actually just good for everyone, in or out of the clan.

If we were as big as MTGS I probably wouldn't give a shit whatsoever because the forums would populate themselves, but unless we put some effort into getting to that point we're just going to continue to be a couple dozen dudes on the internet intelectually circlejerking one another.
As to my statements, Alex, the folks in this clan that have been here from the start can tell you that I have no qualms about calling things exactly as I see them and about setting boundaries. Yes, we want to produce quality content and draw members, but our clan thread is whatever we choose to let it be. We left Sally because people got butthurt over our expressing ourselves as we chose and saying what we could and could not talk about. You are stepping over a line in trying to badger us into doing what you
want. Yet again, I am all for better organization, but leave THIS thread and THIS forum the fuck alone. It's the tree house, man...we don't want to pick up our socks, thank you...and if we want to engage in mental masturbation, we can choose to do that, too.
So tl;dr: you're taking excess issue with something that wasn't really that much of an issue. You'll notice that nobody else was really fired up about it. I'm sorry that you think I'm stepping into your role (key organizer) but I'm doing it to make this site better for everybody. Sorry if you feel like you're a casualty to the greater good.
Wrong button, Alex...try again. Dude, I don't have the time or desire to even TRY to be "the" organizer here; I wanted to organize the Brewery as it had outgrown the thread we started with, and I did. As to the open area--Standard in particular--that's all you and Zeman (which means you because Z doesn't do codemonkey stuff). Quit deflecting, Alex; I
WELCOME your commitment to better organization and content and am glad you care to do it, but--and this is the last time I will clarify--LEAVE THE CLAN THREAD AND IT'S CONTAINING FORUM OUT OF SAID PLAN. You're a remarkably intelligent guy, so stop being obtuse about this. This isn't about emotional investment in organizing this place--sorry, but once you have kids, you learn the real meaning of such things--it's about not having to filter or second-guess what we choose to share in the clan thread. Period.
You really do seem pretty emotionally invested in it, though. Nobody else was invested enough to take issue with a pretty simple (and remarkably reasonable) request with the understanding that it was only a minor inconvenience. How are you missing that?

You can say I'm deflecting and that I'm not understanding you, but until you realize how unreasonable you're being there really isn't much left to be discussed.

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 5:30 pm
by Alex
Also, I don't know if anybody else is like this, but I have a real hard time following a discussion about a deck/list/brew/idea when it is peppered with posts about other unrelated stuff. I don't respond to ideas here most of the time because there's absolutely no continuity and I can't keep track of my thoughts when I have to skim through other posts. Splitting up the discussion really is more for the quality of the reader than the poster, but it also has the side effect of being good for the site.

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 5:33 pm
by redthirst
If this is really such a big issue that y'all can't drop it then I can take a page out of Scumbag's playbook and make a pitfight thread...

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 5:35 pm
by Alex
This is actually constructive. Or at least, it has the potential to be.

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 5:36 pm
by redthirst
Fair enough. Have fun then.

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 5:37 pm
by TubeHunter
being contructive is for scrubs.

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 5:42 pm
by hamfactorial
Casuals everywhere!

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 6:02 pm
by Helios
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Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 6:08 pm
by Kazekirimaru
I hate all of you for making me move all of these god damned decklists out of this thread.
Now that I know you're playing housemaid I'll happily just throw all my shit here and you can redirect it. :thumbsup:

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 6:09 pm
by Kazekirimaru
Thx bby

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 6:18 pm
by hamfactorial
ITT: Unintended consequences

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 6:18 pm
by Khaospawn
Ladies and gentlemen, on aisle 5 we have a cripple fight.

CRIPPLE FIGHT!

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 6:19 pm
by Kazekirimaru
Thats what you get when you rely on fragile creatures to win rather than the one land who rules them all.
Whatcha gonna do about some beast ass Ghost Quarter in yo grill, son?