Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 2:04 am
Azoruis Champ probably. Rakdos if you can get it at a really good price ~ it doesn't seem as good as Hellrider or Aristocrat ~ although both of those were heinously undervalued for a while.
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If by "unplayable" you mean shoehorned into every Bant and UW midrange deck at my LGS for the express purpose of shutting the aggro players down, then yes, she is by all means unplayable. Seriously...she dodges all burn and comes underneath Selesnya Charm, and her ETB totally locks down any aggro deck. Compare it to Hellkite...he now looks like a little salamander in relation to board impact. Even decks running black removal are going to suffer the tempo loss since her ETB will trigger as long as she resolves. The card gives aggro two flying middle fingers...it's just wrong. Thanks to it, we will have to endure another 2nd half of the season dominated by midrange and UWx...unless by some slim chance they print a foil.My guess is that the detain guy will be unplayable in standard but be pretty cool inFinally looked at some of the spoiled DGM cards. Why does rakdos get a card that won't be relevant till all our other good 4 drops rotate but azorius gets broken ass mass detain? Da faq.
Modern for tapout lists. So hey, be happy!
Sorry, Alex; I know you know competitive Magic one hell of a lot better than I, but this is another Kor Firewalker-esque slap in the face to aggro and it shouldn't have happened.[/
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This card does nothing to aggressive players because it doesn't even come down before turn 4 and by then an aggro player already has you towards the end of the clock.
Maybe if she cost 5 I'd feel differently since she slams down off of a single Farseek, but at 6 I say "Eh."
Alex--3WU is 5, which in Bant means she will see T4 often enough if they want her to. Between Farseek, Blind Obedience, Supreme Verdict, Resto and Lavinia, aggro can be shut down by Bant colors pretty handily. I realize that the whole meta will do some shifting about, but the card is an overt slap in the face that's OP. Take the the Witch in comparison-she potentiates the Rakdos "all in" aggressive plan, but her abilities only work forward from when she comes down, not backward. That's balance from a guild that isn't supposed to be about balance. Lavinia hits to flatten everything that came before her to the ground, then can be blinked to do the same over and again.
Play the cards I mentioned + Thragtusk + AoS or Drosgol Reaver...we're talking a Bant-flavored Jund. I just find it really scary from an aggro standpoint.
Of course, I again recognize that ultimately all will depend on the meta as a whole and whether Bant will have the legs to topple Reanimator and whoever else is vying for top deck. I just detest the idea that a single card can take such a massive swing at crippling an entire archetype.
Holy shit...We're looking at one hell of a turbofog deckThis card does nothing to aggressive players because it doesn't even come down before turn 4 and by then an aggro player already has you towards the end of the clock.If by "unplayable" you mean shoehorned into every Bant and UW midrange deck at my LGS for the express purpose of shutting the aggro players down, then yes, she is by all means unplayable. Seriously...she dodges all burn and comes underneath Selesnya Charm, and her ETB totally locks down any aggro deck. Compare it to Hellkite...he now looks like a little salamander in relation to board impact. Even decks running black removal are going to suffer the tempo loss since her ETB will trigger as long as she resolves. The card gives aggro two flying middle fingers...it's just wrong. Thanks to it, we will have to endure another 2nd half of the season dominated by midrange and UWx...unless by some slim chance they print a foil.My guess is that the detain guy will be unplayable in standard but be pretty cool in Modern for tapout lists. So hey, be happy!Finally looked at some of the spoiled DGM cards. Why does rakdos get a card that won't be relevant till all our other good 4 drops
rotate but azorius gets broken ass mass detain? Da faq.
Sorry, Alex; I know you know competitive Magic one
hell of a lot better than I, but this is another Kor Firewalker-esque slap in the face to aggro and it shouldn't have happened.
Maybe if she cost 5 I'd feel differently since she slams down off of a single Farseek, but at 6 I say "Eh."
Alex--3WU is 5 last I checked. Between Farseek, Blind Obedience, Supreme Verdict and Lavinia, aggro can be shut down in Bant colors with ease.
A lot of paid writers are idiots.A lot of paid writers said Hellrider was bad
That deck looks disgustingly strong. Looks like it solves some of the issues we're having with AIR.So Alex's updated boros midrange deck is actually just the shit. Beating people with 2 stonewrights, 2 goblin tokens, and a boros charm like they're chumps. Slayer's stronghold and some hadokens go a long way. As Kibler would say:
Honest man, honest creatures.
You're right, I don't know how to read.Alex--3WU is 5
You're kidding right?Why does Stonewright = Hadouken, exactly?
I feel like that's a One Piece reference, though I haven't the foggiest.You're kidding right?Why does Stonewright = Hadouken, exactly?
If it is easier, think of him as having Devil Fruit powers.
I always think of him in my head as the Darkling from Dokapon Kingdom.You're kidding right?Why does Stonewright = Hadouken, exactly?
If it is easier, think of him as having Devil Fruit powers.
I really want to play this deck but lack the 80 dollars required to purchase resto angelsSo Alex's updated boros midrange deck is actually just the shit. Beating people with 2 stonewrights, 2 goblin tokens, and a boros charm like they're chumps. Slayer's stronghold and some hadokens go a long way. As Kibler would say:
Honest man, honest creatures.
I only now just realized that that Sherlock emoticon is your signature and not just an add on in every post you make.Restoration Angel is twenty bucks now? Geez, glad I bought my playsets when they were still promos that people were trading away at like $8 value..
That's actually a fairly stock list and is what I use in my gauntlet for Blitz Humans.Also this list 4-0'd yesterday, and I'm shocked because the deck seems a little...ambitious with its mana.
[deck]Creatures (36)
4 Boros Elite
4 Burning-Tree Emissary
4 Champion of the Parish
4 Experiment One
4 Flinthoof Boar
4 Frontline Medic
1 Ghor-Clan Rampager
4 Lightning Mauler
4 Mayor of Avabruck
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
Spells (4)
4 Searing Spear
Mana (20)
4 Cavern of Souls
1 Clifftop Retreat
1 Rootbound Crag
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Stomping Ground
2 Sunpetal Grove
4 Temple Garden
Sideboard (15)
4 Boros Charm
2 Fiend Hunter
2 Gruul Charm
3 Mark of Mutiny
2 Pacifism
2 Selesnya Charm
[/deck]
Seems goodI'll happily cast boros charms over here.
It's played a buttload in Modern. It's probably played more in Modern than it is in Standard right now. With the exception of bant I think my deck is like the only one playing it as a 4of.Is Resto seeing any non-standard play?
If not...I ought to sell mine off soon...then rebuy them after they drop.
Actually, I wonder if I could find anyone to loan me a few. I'll short sell Restos.
I can't thank you enough for this. I'm quite lost in the Legacy metagame at the moment, so this really helps a lot. Now I have to familiarize myself with the various deck lists some more, so I can recognize them. The UW Miracles list that won packed Rest in Peace, Energy Field, and Helm of Obedience (that's the card you meant right? And Counterbalance instead of Counterflux, I guess?), and the RUG Midrange (assuming the decklist I saw was that one) didn't pack Thrun. It would have been nice to know the local mono-red burn deck and how it placed, but I only got info on the top 4. I didn't manage to get any Vexing Shushers from my friend, so I have to see if I can borrow some at the tournament. I did get Faerie Macabres though, so those will go in the SB instead of the Crypts.Platypus: The PM wouldn't let me send this through, so I'm posting here for everyone to critique.
Alrighty, the Meta explanations.
Metagame DecksLet me know if I've missed anything, as well as if you want me to help test some of these decks against your Burn deck. I think I wrote a comprehensive list, although I will jump on the Mumble server to explain some Burn
play while I playtest if you want.
Just my point over in the spoiler thread about Scrivener + Varolz in Jund or Junk Zombies...Discard your hand to pump loltroll, draw extra cards to keep feeding and hitting land drops, scavenge onto lol to make him a regenerable behemoth, then swing for a bazillion trample. Then, assuming a deck built to abuse it, cast Immortal Servitude and swarm.I don't think it'll do much in Dos Rakis unless we make it a more "all-in" deck, but in Golgari Zombies? Oh God yes.
That 3 drop Golgari Troll dude goes right in there too.
Unless you severely cut the curve on Dos Rakis, I don't think it has a place.Could Blood Scrivener possibly replace KoI in Dos Rakis? Thoughts?