[Fedoras of Salvation] - White Knights ITT

[Khaospawn]

Re: Kirk vs Picard

I was the biggest Picard fan (still a fan, actually) until i started watching the original Star Trek. I'm only halfway/ three quarters of the way into the 1st season, but believe me, Kirk is the real fucking deal. There is no end to his badassery.

The way I see it, if the only way you've ever known Kirk was from the later Trek films (and lame reboot films) and the bad commercials Shatner does, you know nothing. PIcard is awesome, but Kirk was THE man.

[rcwraspy]

Prices for Modern and Legacy staples have been jumping up recently. I'm glad I bought into the Modern fetchlands a bit ago, but I'm sad at the ABU Duals price tags. I got 1 Underground Sea for $90 exactly a year ago, and now it's worth twice as much.

[windstrider]

Wraith — I'll bring it back to the shop tomorrow and ask them about it. The weird thing about this is that the check engine light hasn't come on again.

[Jack]

We have similar interests, redthirst. Unfortunately, that does not make for a good trade. Still, get your shit up on Deckbox. And everyone else should do the same.

[Khaospawn]

New Corruption Report today.

Fuck yeah.

[Wraith223]

I replaced the catalytic on my old 87 honda accord, and I didn't know shit about cars.

The desire to save money really does help out with a learning curve.

On Nissans, the fuckers weld it to the block instead of bolting it.

Thus you have to cut it off to avoid damaging sensors. Also my truck has 4 of the damn things and cause the cross California borders; the minimum requirements are higher creating price increases. No one makes decent aftermarket replacements for my truck. The truck is designed to run on &
quot;good" gas not corn fuel which is pure shit. It really costs moreto make corn ethinal than what its worth to run more increased gas milage. Little cars might benefit from it, but trucks, SUV's, and classic cars suffer greatly.

No one at my local FNM is running with red(X).
Not a damn one. All I see is Esper, Mone green, GW, Mono Blue, few jank builds of White life gain, and Mono Black (me). Weird.

[PirateKingAtomsk]

@Zem no mind scultor in a blue legacy deck? you feeling alright bro?

[Wraith223]

Re: Kirk vs Picard

I was the biggest Picard fan (still a fan, actually) until i started watching the original Star Trek. I'm only halfway/ three quarters of the way into the 1st season, but believe me, Kirk is the real fucking deal. There is no end to his badassery.

The way I see it, if the only way you've ever known Kirk was from the later Trek films (and lame reboot films) and the bad commercials Shatner does, you know nothing. PIcard is awesome, but Kirk was THE man.

Picard actually defeated an enemy that is not laughable (borg). When Wiliam S. plays in other movies or shows; I generally want to cut my wrists when watching. I do not get the same reaction when Patrick Stewart is in other shows or films.

The new Kirk is
cool, but 2 movies does not make him awsome. See the "how it should have ended on youtube for the recent movie.

[DroppinSuga]

Thank goodness for Stardust. I would have never been allowed back if not for him.

[rcwraspy]

did you actually get kicked out? i thought the point of this site is that they don't do that?!?

[Kazekirimaru]

did you actually get kicked out? i thought the point of this site is that they don't do that?!?

You must be silenced.

[RaidaTheBlade]

I was named in today's corruption report!
I am way happier about that then I should be...

[photodyer]

Okay...if you want to talk acting caliber, then putting a Shakespearean Thespian like Patrick Stewart and William Shatner in same sentence is almost laughable.

However, trying to compare the characters generated in the original series and TNG is utterly impossible to do by any meaningful measure. Before people start thumbing their noses at the original James T. Kirk, they really need to look at the character in context. Coming out of the mid-1960's, the world was a place you can't really grasp if you weren't there, particularly if you are someone who has never lived a day without the existence of cable television and MTV. The counter-culture movements were a strong driving force in reaction to all of the "alien" or foreign power fear generated by the war, and a new archetype was needed to signify man's ability to grow beyond the societal repression of the time. Gene Roddenberry envisioned a show that would
serve as a voice for counter-culture ideals, and Star Trek became a reality.

In the context of the show and what had come before it, the character of James T. Kirk had to transcend all the western and noir heroes of the day. He had to not only be this kickass ship captain who rolled over all opposition, but also a capable diplomat and thinker, as well as a voice for peace over war even while accepting the need for violence as warranted by the greater good. Given the times, censorship and limitations of the writers in terms of drawing on what had come before, the development of the character of Kirk over the shows original run was nothing short of astounding. Was he over-the-top in a way that puts Chuck Norris to shame? Hell yes. But that was what was needed at the time to carry a message to society about going "where no man had gone before".

Is Patrick Stewart's Picard a richer and more complex character? Unequivocally. But he was built with a budget afforded the producers based on
the outrageous fandom surrounding the original show. Better writers with better resources and a more open world--as well as the original show and many following sci-fi shows to build on--of course developed a more complex character, and Stewart gave Picard life as only he could have. But that doesn't diminish in any way, shape or form the momentous accomplishments of Roddenberry, Shatner et al in the original Star Trek series. Grab some perspective, my brothers.

[Khaospawn]

Nice point, Jerry.

I recommend that anybody that wants to join in on the Kirk vs Picard debate should actually watch the original show before thinking that they have an opinion that actually matters.

[TubeHunter]

Excuse me, just parking the Idontgiveashit Van.

[DocLawless]

I don't know what a corruption report is, but that was the best thing I've read all day.

[Kazekirimaru]

Okay...if you want to talk acting caliber, then putting a Shakespearean Thespian like Patrick Stewart and William Shatner in same sentence is almost laughable.

However, trying to compare the characters generated in the original series and TNG is utterly impossible to do by any meaningful measure. Before people start thumbing their noses at the original James T. Kirk, they really need to look at the character in context. Coming out of the mid-1960's, the world was a place you can't really grasp if you weren't there, particularly if you are someone who has never lived a day without the existence of cable television and MTV. The counter-culture movements were a strong driving force in reaction to all of the "alien" or foreign power fear generated by
the war, and a new archetype was needed to signify man's ability to grow beyond the societal repression of the time. Gene Roddenberry envisioned a show that would serve as a voice for counter-culture ideals, and Star Trek became a reality.

In the context of the show and what had come before it, the character of James T. Kirk had to transcend all the western and noir heroes of the day. He had to not only be this kickass ship captain who rolled over all opposition, but also a capable diplomat and thinker, as well as a voice for peace over war even while accepting the need for violence as warranted by the greater good. Given the times, censorship and limitations of the writers in terms of drawing on what had come before, the development of the character of Kirk over the shows original run was nothing short of astounding. Was he over-the-top in a way that puts Chuck Norris to shame? Hell yes. But that was what was needed at the time to carry a message to society about going "where no man had gone
before".

Is Patrick Stewart's Picard a richer and more complex character? Unequivocally. But he was built with a budget afforded the producers based on the outrageous fandom surrounding the original show. Better writers with better resources and a more open world--as well as the original show and many following sci-fi shows to build on--of course developed a more complex character, and Stewart gave Picard life as only he could have. But that doesn't diminish in any way, shape or form the momentous accomplishments of Roddenberry, Shatner et al in the original Star Trek series. Grab some perspective, my brothers.

Photo comes in and drops perspective bombs everywhere once again.

[Self Medicated]

I just drop toilet bombs.

[Helios]

Suga: Good luck on your interview!

Red: You can delete my thread if you want. I don't have things or time to add things to the thread.

[Khaospawn]

Shatner's acting in the original Trek, from what I've seen so far, is pretty good. Shakespearean actor he isn't, but at the same time, he didn't need to be. To me, it's like 80's Schwarzenegger - awesome for the role he had to play.

Both captains are great. There's no denying that. Each one has their strengths and weaknesses. But Kirk was definitely a man's man. He fought like a badass and was able to outsmart the intelligent and hostile aliens by bluffing and deception. He was able to consistently 1-up his Vulcan 1st officer, lay the charm on the ladies, teach valuable life lessons to his crew, and did his duty. Plus that fucker was in some serious shape.

But, I will say this, Picard threw the best tantrum in First Contact.

"Jean-Luc, blow up the damn ship! "

"NO! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! *breaks shit*"

[Lightning_Dolt]

I found myself REALLY wanting a playset of Scalding Tarn and Arid Mesa, but OMG at the pricetag. Then I remembered that I had over 6000 points of Dark Angels that have been sitting in my closet for the past two years. That ought to be enough to cover the cost...

What are the fetches up to?

[Wraith223]

I watched all the episodes from Next Generation and Star Trek (Kirk version) and found Picard to be more of a captian than lone wolf as Kirk is (my opinion and amount of red shirts killed in perspective). Secondary charactors are more to my liking in Next Generation that Kirk's crew.

To bad O'Neal (no ship) from Stargate SG1 could not be considered.

Anyone watching the Mentalist? Thoughts on Red John candidates so far?

[Nuwen]

First two MODO opponents today are playing demented derivatives of the R/B aggro list that won a GP (our baby!).

The first guy copied his pretty much card for card, but jammed Grey Merchant into the sideboard (which gave our own Pyro list some issues, because the line we committed to didn't account for lifeswing).

The second guy wasn't even playing R, but forced Rakdos Shred-Freak and Tormented Hero into a B devotion shell (without key cards like Necromancer & Mogis's Marauder). It looked like he cobbled together two entirely different lists. Easy winnings.

[InflatablePie]

AWESOME Shirt alert! TeeFury.com...this one is truly over the top...

Sweet. Thanks for the heads up!

I keep an eye on riptapparel often, but I forget about the other daily deal sites.

[Self Medicated]

Anyone heard from lorddax lately?

[DarthStabber]

Never been a big star trek fan, which is odd considering that it has all the elements of shows that I normally enjoy. The hilarious thing about the course of this conversation is that Shatner was doing Shakespeare before Star Trek, which is actually the likely source of his weird delivery/speech patterns (iambic pentameter will mess you up).

[Valdarith]

I found myself REALLY wanting a playset of Scalding Tarn and Arid Mesa, but OMG at the pricetag. Then I remembered that I had over 6000 points of Dark Angels that have been sitting in my closet for the past two years. That ought to be enough to cover the cost...

What are the fetches up to?

Arid Mesas are $30-35, Scalding Tarns are $40-45.

[Khaospawn]

And nobody wants to remember Sisko and Janeway. Because one was black. The other, a woman.

Yes, I went there.


I'm joking, of course. DS9 was one of my faves while they had the Dominion war going on. And I think the only reason why ANYBODY watched Voyager was for 7 of 9....

[Khaospawn]

Mesas at 30 now? Wow. I'm glad I own 12....

[DarthStabber]

WotC is so full of shit. They promised to keep the prices of modern staples in check, and the higher it gets before they do something about it, the more pissed people are going to be at the reprinting.

[DroppinSuga]

Mesas at 30 now? Wow. I'm glad I own 12....

Hey, I see you have some extra Mesas...

[Khaospawn]

I don't have enough!

[hamfactorial]

Anything that tutors for Mountain is value. The only thing better is drawing the Mountain naturally.

[DroppinSuga]

You should be able to win a PT with 60 mountains.

[DocLawless]

I'm actually kind of surprised that the Fetches weren't in Modern Masters, being as the set was supposed to be reprintings of Modern format staples.

[hamfactorial]

MM only went to Alara block, the Zen fetches will likely be reprinted in MM2 if there is one.

[Valdarith]

Yo dawg, gimme yo Mesas dammit.

[Helios]

Srs bsns, I need Mesas + any other red fetch if anyone has extras. Hit me up. I'd even make a trade thread if someone is willing to trade them away.

[Valdarith]

I'm going to create a list of my tradestuff on Deckbox sometime this week for trades. I really need to just trade for what I KNOW I'll use down the road instead of holding onto what I THINK I'll use. Just need to hammer down exactly what lists I want to play in eternal formats before I decide for sure. I have deck ADD.

[DroppinSuga]

I think I want a Snapcaster Mage for my EDH deck.