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Posted: **Tue Aug 27, 2013 3:01 am**

it's a lot more damaging personally than not using a pronoun you prefer people address you with!

Posted: **Tue Aug 27, 2013 3:05 am**

Rape at MTGS? huh.

I have not looked at this issue, but it seems that with all the blah blah blah mtgs mods are too heavy handed around here, you might be fine with a mod not being heavy handed of sorts. Or is it a: you have dumb rules so you might as well stick to them in every case thing?

Posted: **Tue Aug 27, 2013 3:08 am**

I'm the only hidden user on right now??

Posted: **Tue Aug 27, 2013 3:23 am**

DroppinSuga gained some cred for the miley avvy

Posted: **Tue Aug 27, 2013 3:27 am**

idk have you or anyone you've been close to been raped?

yes but it was funny like a clown

Posted: **Tue Aug 27, 2013 3:28 am**

http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost ... stcount=58

Shrug.

remember when i got banned for typing 'no' in the speakeasy

Posted: **Tue Aug 27, 2013 3:29 am**

Rape at MTGS? huh.

I have not looked at this issue, but it seems that with all the blah blah blah mtgs mods are too heavy handed around here, you might be fine with a mod not being heavy handed of sorts. Or is it a: you have dumb rules so you might as well stick to them in every case thing?

i think it's idiotic that the penalties on mtgs are of inverse proportion to how much they affect people in real life.
joke about pronouns without even mentioning pronouns is an infraction
joke about rape without explicitly saying rape but doing everything other than using the word is "it was in good humor but bad taste"

Posted: **Tue Aug 27, 2013 3:33 am**

i think you have to have been raped at some point in your life to appreciate wrestling

Posted: **Tue Aug 27, 2013 3:38 am**

i think you have to have been raped at some point in your life to appreciate wrestling

I'm so tempted to put this in my signature

Posted: **Tue Aug 27, 2013 3:49 am**

I approve of Suga's new avatar.

Watched that last night. Seeing Miley Cyrus grind on Robin Thicke to the unamused and slightly-disgusted facial expressions of Will Smith and the like in the audience was pretty great stuff.

Placing the foam finger between her legs and pretending to jizz on the audience was pretty great, too.

Posted: **Tue Aug 27, 2013 3:53 am**

Posted: **Tue Aug 27, 2013 3:56 am**

his son looks traumatized

Posted: **Tue Aug 27, 2013 3:58 am**

i learned a lot about white people watching this miley cyrus performance.

Posted: **Tue Aug 27, 2013 3:58 am**

i thought i knew a lot about white people and then that happened.

Posted: **Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:09 am**

Daniel Bryan against The Shield in a gauntlet match
Gonna be awesome. I really just want to see Bryan vs. Ambrose.

We didn't get to see it but that's because WWE knows that match will headline a PPV someday.

Posted: **Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:09 am**

hmmm got two new avvys itt tonight.

Posted: **Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:10 am**

and neither was Pendy.

Posted: **Tue Aug 27, 2013 2:26 pm**

we just witnessed someones breakdown on national tv. Congrats MC

Posted: **Tue Aug 27, 2013 2:53 pm**

DEVOTION IS CHROMA

Posted: **Tue Aug 27, 2013 3:05 pm**

I think its actually interesting. I think its sad that most decks that use blue will actually have a hard time Getting to 5

Posted: **Tue Aug 27, 2013 3:27 pm**

Posted: **Tue Aug 27, 2013 3:47 pm**

Wow, really? I wake up to this steaming pile?

Okay, the rape debate ends thusly:
Unless you've been raped, you cannot comprehend how bad it is to read the word. So Xenphire/Chaotix's choice is thus: infract; or get raped.
Queen to A1. Checkmate.
dude that's like the ultimate fallacy in combatting rape culture by telling people to get raped and don't fall into that just because xenphire is an inexcusable pile of garbage of a human being.

I was going to post a response to this along the lines of "Truth's a fallacy now, eh?" but while typing it I had an
epiphany that you are absolutely correct... blew my mind. It's not about logic, is it? It's about feelings.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7-EEGiABBU

Scumbag, Imma need a few gimmicks.

Posted: **Tue Aug 27, 2013 3:48 pm**

You spin me right round, right round. Like Miley's finger.

Posted: **Tue Aug 27, 2013 3:57 pm**

And yet the waves wash away the message.

Water hates god.

Posted: **Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:02 pm**

And yet the waves wash away the message.

Water hates god.

Oh no. That's not the point at all. Yes, the water will wash away the image, but that is God's love, washing away the writer's moment of weakness... professing love is nothing but a whisper against the crashing waves.

Posted: **Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:15 pm**

On a long enough timeline, you will regret everything you've ever done.

Salvation a la mode and a cup of tea.

Posted: **Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:27 pm**

And yet the waves wash away the message.

Water hates god.
Oh no. That's not the point at all. Yes, the water will wash away the image, but that is God's love, washing away the writer's moment of weakness... professing love is nothing but a whisper
against the crashing waves.

Or its waters way of saying fuck off.

Posted: **Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:28 pm**

On a long enough timeline, you will regret everything you've ever done.

Salvation a la mode and a cup of tea.

I regret only 2 things.

All other things I have done have lead up to something good... even if the events in between were bad.

Posted: **Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:35 pm**

Rape at MTGS? huh.

I have not looked at this issue, but it seems that with all the blah blah blah mtgs mods are too heavy handed around here, you might be fine with a mod not being heavy handed of sorts. Or is it a: you have dumb rules so you might as well stick to them in every case thing?

I think what you're not getting about the issue is that allowing discussion of rape in a structured atmosphere is also heavy-handed. There is no spectrum here; either someone forcefully penetrated you or they did not.. we have words like "bad touch" to handle anything else. So the iridium has to make a choice: either infract, to protect those who have suffered, or don't. By allowing it they are heavy handed and corrupt,
and even having the discussion is pretty low of them.

Posted: **Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:36 pm**

Just because you bake the best damn cupcakes in Clay County doesn't mean you get to stab the homeless.

Posted: **Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:43 pm**

*Yolo County

Posted: **Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:47 pm**

And yet the waves wash away the message.

Water hates god.
Oh no. That's not the point at all. Yes, the water will wash away the
image, but that is God's love, washing away the writer's moment of weakness... professing love is nothing but a whisper against the crashing waves.
Or its waters way of saying fuck off.

I actually had this discussion with [redacted] not very long ago. All discussion of religion on Sally is inherently flawed: one of the most powerful tools open to the believer is the path of emotion, and you can't drive that wagon there. If you truly wish to convert, you need to show grace, and getting yelled at while keeping your composure is one of the best ways to do that... but you can't get someone to show you their mask-less self there without that person getting infracted, and that smashes directly against the empathy the religion engenders. The end result is a useless apologeticism, and Debate should have been outright destroyed a long time ago... I would have considered it
the penultimate use of my career there to have done so, even at the cost of my job. In fact, I was very close to bringing that subject up to 'Spirit, possibly days away, but then the whole Gutter holocaust happened.

Posted: **Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:48 pm**

Sadly, I don't still have the beta of the message saved, but the PM I was gonna send to him was titled "So.... we suck balls."

Posted: **Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:50 pm**

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And yet the waves wash away the message.

Water hates god.
Oh no. That's not the point at all. Yes, the water will wash away the image, but that is God's love, washing away the writer's moment of weakness... professing love is nothing but a whisper against the crashing waves.
Or its waters way of saying fuck off.
I actually had this discussion with [redacted] not very long ago. All discussion of religion on Sally is inherently flawed: one of the most powerful tools open to the believer is the path of emotion, and you can't drive that wagon there. If you truly wish to convert, you need to show grace, and getting yelled at while keeping your composure is one of the best ways to do that... but you can't get someone to show you their mask-less self there without that person getting infracted, and that smashes directly against the empathy the religion engenders.
The end result is a useless apologeticism, and Debate should have been outright destroyed a long time ago... I would have considered it the penultimate use of my career there to have done so, even at the cost of my job. In fact, I was very close to bringing that subject up to 'Spirit, possibly days away, but then the whole Gutter holocaust happened.
And now we have the B Movie "Scumbag's List"

Posted: **Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:55 pm**

Any time you need to tell me to fuck off for my faith, Saph, I am more than happy to listen.

Posted: **Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:56 pm**

Rape at MTGS? huh.

I have not looked at this issue, but it seems that with all the blah blah blah mtgs mods are too heavy handed around here, you might be fine with a mod not being heavy handed of sorts. Or is it a: you have dumb rules so you might as well stick to them in every case thing?
I think what you're not getting about the issue is that allowing discussion of rape in a structured atmosphere is also heavy-handed. There is no spectrum here; either someone forcefully penetrated you or they did not.. we have words like "bad touch" to handle anything
else. So the iridium has to make a choice: either infract, to protect those who have suffered, or don't. By allowing it they are heavy handed and corrupt, and even having the discussion is pretty low of them.

echoing this, rape is a pretty traumatic and difficult to discuss event in a structured, serious environment, and it's a pretty heavy topic even without the fear that you're going to offhandedly trigger someone who has been a victim. allowing people to casually make jokes about the topic (in this case, it was a joke about prison rape without explicitly using the word rape but with prison sodomy) is not something you can do in "good humor" unless you're a professional comedian, and even among 99% of those individuals, the topic is not handled in a manner that really gives the subject matter the justice it deserves (AFAIK, Louis C.K. is the only comedian I've heard to date who has done a routine addressing rape and rape culture without violently throwing up all over the
subject matter and still being pretty funny in addition).

this is contrasted with a moral climate that very sternly polices people because you hurt others feelings for using the wrong pronoun while referencing them, and full-on infracts people for making jokes about pronouns (just look at my infraction history), which hurt feelings are unfortunate, but are not something i can compare to a violent sexual crime in any realm. and it's not just the wrong pronoun, but i'm measuring two "social wrongs" against each other since both issues are a matter of policing others' conduct for committing a social wrong versus flaming people or trolling (which I would also go so far to say making jokes about rape is probably worse than baiting people into responding negatively in a debate about sideboarding choices for standard decks).

Posted: **Tue Aug 27, 2013 5:03 pm**

what i'm saying is that if you want to foster a hand-holding climate on your website, telling people it's ok to make "poor taste but good humor" jokes about traumatic life events but not ok to mix up gender pronouns is probably not the best message and looks completely insane in the abstract.

Posted: **Tue Aug 27, 2013 5:04 pm**

btw i'm not sure if you're aware, but U.S. soldiers commit many acts of rape when stressed out in combat zones, so remember that next time you see someone asking you to support the troops and give them medals.

Posted: **Tue Aug 27, 2013 5:04 pm**

but that's a moral rant for another day.

Posted: **Tue Aug 27, 2013 5:16 pm**

Yeah but no-one was condoning rape jokes since the thread was locked. How can you jump to the conclusion that Xenphire was condoning rape jokes when he actually put an end to it?

Ofc you do have a point when arguing about double standards in that people making jokes about transatlantism get carded while the guy making jokes about prison rape did not, but the correct approach IMO is that neither should have been carded instead of arguing that rape jokes should be infracted post-facto because some lightly hearted parody posts were infracted in the past.

This is further disregarding that you were actually carded because you are aq gutter member, but that is yet another issue, which is the staff targeting specific users as a way to cope with their own insecurity issues.

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