Dies to Removal

It's kind of ridiculous for a player who's added nothing to stall like that.

http://diestoremoval.com/search.php?t=2 ... roppinsuga

However ridiculous, he's still town.

You're a go-getter, Z. That's good. Doesn't change the fact that you'll have to get used to people on your team not being as engaged as you are.

I hadn't said anything until his disingenuous "there's not enough content".

But thanks, I try.

When G_R thinks Iamopen2 is not scum; that is an auto find of town. Logic sir.

Or it could be a null read, good sir.

Void, you should vote for imopen2. You can trust me, I'm the Doctor.

Last time I put trust you in (and thought you were Town) you ended flipping Neutral on me when I defended you hard (offsite game on MTGS. See Futurama Mafia). You're going to have to prove to me that you are Town before I grant you my vote.

Not Futurama, Legend of Lucian. And I don't remember you defending me in that game... Remember you and Kosa bantering about how he should nightkill me with that bulletproof vest (*winkwink*) that you gave him? Then he shot you.

Come to think of it, you also hounded me like crazy in the other game we played together, Giant Robots. So I have no idea what you're remembering.

Anyway, it doesn't matter. I'm mod confirmed townie over here, so s'all good.

Vote Count 7!
O.o

Stardust (0)
freedom (3) - Captain Murphy, Void, (G_R)
rcwraspy (0)
zemanjaski (2) - imopen2, freedom
Void (0)
Wraith223 (0)
Fate (0)
Captain Murphy (1) - Manders
DroppinSuga (0)
Manders (0)
rezombad (0)
(G_R) (0)
imopen2 (5) - Stardust, rcwraspy, Wraith223, zemanjaski, Fate

Not Voting (2) - rezombad, DroppinSuga

With 13 alive, it is 7 to lynch.

Deadline is: 30 January, 2014 11:59PM EST

The deadline is 8 freakin' days away. Why rush the lynch?

Ok then. What are YOU going to do in the next EIGHT days to generate content?

When G_R thinks Iamopen2 is not scum; that is an auto find of town. Logic sir.

Or it could be a null read, good sir.

Naturally, but null is still a no vote. Issue is that Freedom is working his ass to defend himself and underhanded Iamopen2. G_R really has not contributed much until his comments were on my radar. He gave good reasons and I backed off. Iamopen2 has pretty much used circular arguments to hand wave me off. It is Scum's job to defend to the end and saying
that he lost interest in the game but still defends his circular, contradictory votes/points very strongly places him strongly as the right vote.

The deadline is 8 freakin' days away. Why rush the lynch?

If you are afraid to commit; then say so. Don't say we have plenty of time. That is a scum reasoning for doing nothing. Commit, give reasons why we should not vote Iamopen2, or abstain from voting so we can go back and review your statements when he flips scum. Sitting on the side lines right now is a poor stance for town.

unvote

I'm mod confirmed townie over here, so s'all good.

Tell me about this.

And before someone says it, no, it's not fishing if someone just outright claims it and you question it.

Uh... I'm the Doc. Is there a problem here? I'd really rather not discuss it.

@Stardust:
Then who the hell am I confusing you with... Oh. LOL. TK-421. Whoops.

I also second the question on how you are mod confirmed.

My god, some of you are dense

vote imopen2

There. Now someone will swoop in and hammer and we'll be done with today.

Plot twist: I find some actions of imopen2 to be scummy, but he has been scummy as town in previous games, which leads me to not be so sure that he is actually scum in this game.

In DTR mafia I was highly suspicious of him and he turned out to be scum. I just don't feel that way right now, and that makes me unsure. I'd rather not lynch him if I'm unsure.

Ok then. What are YOU going to do in the next EIGHT days to generate content?

Asks for content, has provided none.
Then cracks the sads when prompted to post something of value.

Sup Suga?

Your style of play is super irritating.

Plot twist: I find some actions of imopen2 to be scummy, but he has been scummy as town in previous games, which leads me to not be so sure that he is actually scum in this game.

In DTR mafia I was highly suspicious of him and he turned out to be scum. I just don't feel that way right now, and that makes me unsure. I'd rather not lynch him if I'm unsure.

So I would say that overall, the crowd is roughly split on imopen2 and freedom; with some preferring the lynch of one to the other; but more or less they're everyone's 1 and 2 suspects (speak up if this is not accurate for you, we can still discuss).

How would you suggest resolving
this G_R?

Your style of play is super irritating.

You're style of non-play is anti-Town.

My style of play is the same in every game. Deal with it.

Plot twist: I find some actions of imopen2 to be scummy, but he has been scummy as town in previous games, which leads me to not be so sure that he is actually scum in this game.

In DTR mafia I was highly suspicious of him and he turned out to be scum. I just don't feel that way right now, and that makes me unsure. I'd rather not lynch him if I'm unsure.

So I would say that overall, the crowd is roughly split on imopen2 and freedom; with some preferring the lynch of one to the
other; but more or less they're everyone's 1 and 2 suspects (speak up if this is not accurate for you, we can still discuss).

How would you suggest resolving this G_R?

Resolving it? Simple. People should vote for who they think is scum. So far, I have reasons to withhold a vote on imopen2, and other players might have theirs. I just stated mine. Freedom seems rather resigned to get the rope, so I'm trying to figure out what to make of that.

My style of play is the same in every game. Deal with it.

Ditto?

Plot twist: I find some actions of imopen2 to be scummy, but he has been scummy as town in previous games, which leads me to not be so sure that he is actually scum in this game.

In DTR mafia I was highly suspicious of him and he turned out to be scum. I just don't feel that way right now, and that makes me unsure. I'd rather not lynch him
if I'm unsure.

So I would say that overall, the crowd is roughly split on imopen2 and freedom; with some preferring the lynch of one to the other; but more or less they're everyone's 1 and 2 suspects (speak up if this is not accurate for you, we can still discuss).

How would you suggest resolving this G_R?

Resolving it? Simple. People should vote for who they think is scum. So far, I have reasons to withhold a vote on imopen2, and other players might have theirs. I just stated mine. Freedom seems rather resigned to get the rope, so I'm trying to figure out what to make of that.

imopen2 made similar "its ok to lynch me" type posts. Thoughts on that?

When G_R thinks Iamopen2 is not scum; that is an auto find of town. Logic sir.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I think everyone has to decide between imopen and freedom who should be the day one lynch and whoever gets more votes is lynched, simple as that. Any other wagon while these two wagons are happening isn't helping the town, its just drawing out the day.

@ Manders, having played with imopen2, his style of posting so far is consistent with his scum game. I am content with my vote remaining here for now.

Have you ever played with him as town?

@ Manders. You voted Murphy because he is deducing info that will benefit the scum team's NK actions. Do you thik Murphy is scum?

LOL

Missed your vote on Murphy, Manders, disregard my question then.
Painkillers limit my already poor reading skills.

I don't like this. How could you forget? You had JUST mentioned it. Painkillers or not, that's pretty unlikely, and I see no reason for town to lie about that. IGMEOY.

no I meant I don't want the other scumteam to NK me


truce Ice Mafia?

Oh, ok, my bad.

No bad blood. Just no bullshit.

Captain Murphy seems to be minimizing my read and coming to the aid of G_R. Hmmmmmm. Manders is on to something. [/
quote]
How is he minimizing your read?

What a poor notion to event present.

What's the poor notion?

I haven't played legitimate forum mafia in some time. I usually play on mafiascum where my meta is so established that my mere presence in the game gets reactions for me to read, I don't actually need to effort in those games.

I don't really have enough experience on this site to establish history and meta reads on people

You have to establish meta on this site for us to be able to read you, too.

Now this Murphy issue.... see I agree his plan is borderline retarded and anti-town.... but I don't know enough of him to
know what kinda move that is. Is he scum being bold as fuck? Is he misguided town?

I don't know, but he knows better than to pursue a retarded-ass plan like this, so it warrants attention.

I definitely don't like freedom or imopens votes for starts, so I'm leaning no (I realize its multiball so scummy votes can be on other scum but still rather stick to Void at this time)

You shouldn't care as long as we vote scum.

Captain Murphy has lynched himself in my view. Still waiting for G_R to respond.

This doesn't mesh. If you're so sure about Murphy, why aren't you voting him? Why MUST GR respond before you can/will do so?

Well, that worked well

I'm not trying to fish the doc, I would have said the same thing if we had only one vig, or only one cop. We know we have only one PR and maximizing the choice is best.

Therefore picking 3 not only eliminates the scum knowing the one choice but it could also in fact scare the scum to the point of not wanting to hit all 3.

So you do actually want to go through with your plan?

Also, you say manders was the first to have a problem with your post. She also didn't say what the problems were. First is not always the best.

What else would it have been? It was pretty obvious.

My general Rule is that I
don't bandwagons as they lynch often without evidence. I have hard/excellent evidence against Iamopen2 and am presenting my findings to group for evaluation.

PLEASE EVALUATE Iamopen2's posts: 113 and 150. Thoughts? Opinions?

You're scum with Freedom.

I was acting a bit too self-aware and trying too hard to look town, so people think I'm scum.

Town don't have to try to look town. It is not a part of their mindset because they are Town.

Hrm. freedom might be town. I don't want to see him lynched today. Everyone get on the imopen bandwagon instead.

No fucking way.

There is a day chat for both scum teams. You'll see this if you you back and read the sample PMs.

Shit, I misread. Just a night chat for the mafia.

Yeah, okay, I'll lynch freedom. Give it a day or two to get responses to my questions in and I'll pack 'er up.

Can I get a specific reason why. It's hard to read all this while being busy caring for grandfolks.

Scum buddy post.
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I just want to leave this here.

"What exactly do you find wrong with that statement by Freedom? Yes, he is playing devil's advocate for Murphy (and I disagree with him), but that doesn't make Freedom scum." -Me


"It makes him scum cause you are defending him freedom instead of ignoring or snide commenting on it as usual. Associations label you and freedom." -Wraith


So...anyone find this interesting?

I did, but I wasn't here.

What was your point of posting it here?

Too much fucking mafia to catch up on.
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wraith is town
fate is town

cm is probscum
zem is probscum
imopen is probscum
freedom is probscum

everyone else is probtown by default.

I'll get a couple more concrete reads tomorrow.

I look forward to seeing you contribute.

I think imopen is scum as well. I will support either a lynch on imopen or freedom today. I don't think they're scum buddies, but I definitely believe that they are both scum.

I look forward to seeing you contribute.

Noob though I may be, I am more confidant about imopen2 than freedom.

Since when and why?

unvote

I want more discussion before we lynch, regardless of who it is today.

Cool, what would you like to discuss?

Void, you should vote for imopen2. You can trust me, I'm the Doctor.

DO NOT TRUST THE CANADIAN.

The deadline is 8 freakin' days away. Why rush the lynch?

Because more discussion could help scum, duh. Why keep talking if everything's decided?

[quote="Captain Murphy » Wed Jan 22, 2014 10:38 pm":
2hmn1hl1]I think everyone has to decide between imopen and freedom who should be the day one lynch and whoever gets more votes is lynched, simple as that. Any other wagon while these two wagons are happening isn't helping the town, its just drawing out the day.

I support a lynch on either Freedom, Wraith223, or zemanjaski, in that order.

Unvote Vote: Freedom

@Stardust:
Then who the hell am I confusing you with... Oh. LOL. TK-421. Whoops.

Good, so you can trust me then, right?

I also second the question on how you are mod confirmed.

God damnit, Void! I'm the fuckin' Doctor! (But don't counterclaim me until Day 2 or 3).

My god, some of you are dense

Who was this directed at and why?

I think everyone has to decide between imopen and freedom who should be the day one lynch and whoever gets more votes is lynched, simple as that. Any other wagon while these two wagons are happening isn't helping the town, its just drawing out the day.

I agree with this logic. Unofficial deadline of Friday Jan 24? Whichever has more votes gets lynched (may require some people moving over to their second choice, but at least we'll be moving on).

DO NOT TRUST THE CANADIAN.

Take a quick look through Wraith's posts in DTR mafia (where he was town). A lot of what you were calling scummy is just his (rather bizarre) style of play. The buddiness appears to continue over multiple
posts, so you may be onto something, but just take a look to get an idea of just how often his actions make no sense. I'm pretty sure he's town.

I'm ok with a Freedom lynch. Willing to put my vote there if that's the group consensus between Freedom, Imopen2, Zeman, and Wraith (that's my order of scuminess).

I don't have any meta on Wraith (nor do I have the time to research it, unfortunately,) so I'll defer to you for now, as you're coming across as Town to me so far. I only say not to trust you because my gut says imopen2 is Town, so I'd like to have more time to analyze him.

I just read through freedom again. I'm going to break the rules and defend freedom now in hopes of shifting the tide to imopen instead.

Mostly by looking at player associations, I'd think. I can definitely see where this is a harder game, both for the town and the mafias. The mafias each have a harder victory condition, since they must get the other team killed as well as seven townies, and pretty much can't afford to lose a man, since it makes winning much harder. It is also harder for town, since the scum will be scum hunting as well and we only have 1 power role.

This is freedom's fourth post, early in the game. I consider the bolded a minor town slip (there are 9 townies in this game, not 7).

Naked votes CM
which I didn't like at the time, but his follow-up explanation (to Wraith) isn't bad.

Wraith, we seem to be in disagreement, probably because one of us is reading the situation completely incorrectly. Let's try to clear things up.

Snipped from a larger post. Pretty... defensive? That's not the right word, but you know what I mean.

Still don't like the mindset of this post...

Caught some flak for caring about his own towniness, for example: this post. The thing I'd forgotten
is that freedom cared a lot about this as town too (in DTR mafia). Most townies don't care much about their image, but some do. freedom is proven to be one of those, making this line or argument null for him in particular.

Now, him and imopen buddying/defending each other (a series of posts). Read through this again with the mindset that they are not scum buddies (something I'm 100% convinced of). imopen still comes off poorly, but freedom doesn't feel as much like scum buddying town. If imopen's not freedom's scum buddy, this is not incriminating.

Pretty sure this is a townie post. Scum don't tend to leave loose ends when responding to accusations (unless they don't plan on following up, which freedom did).

freedom's case on zemanjaski is for the most part
honest, logical and complete. His conviction is there. There is no twisting of Z's posts. No omission of town posts. The only thing I still find odd is that he says he can't see the two-sided nature to Z in this game, when the beginning of his case started with him calling Z town. All in all though, this case feels like a townie wrote it.

Then, yeah, the probably-fake town slip. Thing is, if you come to the conclusion that it's probably fake (I think it is), that doesn't necessarily make freedom scum based on what I said earlier. freedom, as town, wants to be considered town.

freedom goes on to give up. However, despite giving up, he has continued to be involved. I don't think imopen can make the same claim (he only gets involved to defend himself), which just strengthens my scum read on him.


So, all in all freedom might be scum, but I think it's more
likely that he's town. I'd give him a slightly-better-than-null 75% chance at this point. Can we lynch imopen now?

Captain Murphy seems to be minimizing my read and coming to the aid of G_R. Hmmmmmm. Manders is on to something.

How is he minimizing your read?
You took to long to respond to this. He found the silly trap card thing from Zem a misread cause I forgot about pre-game BS. This was already fleshed out.

What a poor notion to event present.

What's the poor notion?
Where did you this? I remember saying it, but can't find it. Give me the post number please.

Captain Murphy has lynched himself in my view. Still waiting for G_R to respond.

This doesn't mesh. If you're so sure about Murphy, why aren't you voting him? Why MUST GR respond before you can/will do so?
I was sure about C.P., but he is very hard to read with the shield of sarcasm. He is aggressive and plays gambits. The comment caught a few in his web, thus I am not sure it was scum post or a well played gambit to catch scum. I just don't know. My gut responded to Iamopen2's contradiction in his rationality followed with a vote. I could not ignore that
as it is serious deviation from normal character. You raise a good point about how I should be after C.P., but I prefer to go after big scum posts as Iamopen2 threw out there. Catching him in the contradiction was stronger to me as we have 2 scum teams. It is hard to catch Iamopen2 in a lie or contradiction in last game I played with him, thus I went for it when I saw it. The big reason why I am putting C.P. on the back burner is that he is very sarcastic and I find he may still be poking Stardust on the doc claim.

My general Rule is that I don't bandwagons as they lynch often without evidence. I have hard/excellent evidence against Iamopen2 and am presenting my findings to group for evaluation.

PLEASE EVALUATE Iamopen2's posts: 113 and 150. Thoughts? Opinions?

You're scum with Freedom.
[color=#
FF0000]Why? I find my evidence was sufficient for asking for evaluation and support. Why does this read scum to you If I ask for those instead of demand them as others do? My distaste for poor rational bandwagons is known, but I noted that, presented my findings, and asked for support. Now why do you place me with Freedom? My first game with Freedom showed that he plays devils advocate alot and poor inferences in rationality which appear scum. He rolled town when the game ended. He is another player I am putting on the back burner for now as Iamopen2 is a stronger scum than C.P. or freedom at the moment. Please give me a well thought out post as to why I am scum, because I am solid town.[/color]

There is a day chat for both scum teams. You'll see this if you you back and read the sample PMs.

Shit, I misread. Just a night chat for the mafia.

Yeah, okay, I'll lynch freedom. Give it a day or two to get responses to my questions in and I'll pack 'er up.

Can I get a specific reason why. It's hard to read all this while being busy caring for grandfolks.

Scum buddy post.
again, freedom says stupid shit at the worst times. See DTR mafia. Why am I scum buddies in asking for reasons why he is scum. Stardust tends to wait or leave out the rationality.

I think everyone has to decide between imopen and freedom who should be the day one lynch and whoever gets more votes is lynched, simple as that. Any other wagon while these two wagons are happening isn't helping the town, its just drawing out the day.

I support a lynch on either Freedom, Wraith223, or zemanjaski, in that order.

Unvote Vote: Freedom

Why am I scum to you(still no reason given)? Why is freedom the better choice? Why is Zem third?

At this point, you have only given association calls (scum buddy), odd commentary (see responses to Stardust), conversation starters with DroppinSuga, and requests for more content from others. You NEED to post more and give reasoned reads on your scum picks as well. Lastly, Why did you tell DroppinSuge this: "Because more discussion
could help scum, duh. Why keep talking if everything's decided?" It goes against your commentary and vote movement. DroppinSuga was responding to the Iamopen2 votes, not freedom. That statement from you was admission that you might agree with Iamopen2 as being scum. Very strange.

Wraith, you make inferences that need not be made.

Manders was responding to suga saying that he say no reason to end the day without more discussion. She was simply giving a reason why sometimes it is detrimental to the town to prolong the day.

It has nothing to do with suga's or manders' position on my lynch.

I hope, that when I flip town, you look back at your mistakes in this game and rethink your strategy going forward. If you are town, you are not helping with these types of inferences.

Wraith, you make inferences that need not be made.

Manders was responding to suga saying that he say no reason to end the day without more discussion. She was simply giving a reason why sometimes it is detrimental to the town to prolong the day.

It has nothing to do with suga's or manders' position on my lynch.

I hope, that when I flip town, you look back at your mistakes in this game and rethink your strategy going forward. If you are town, you are not helping with these types of inferences.

Not letting go! On your case like a

Stupid gif is stupid.

I would say "you are stupid", but that would be an offense to word "stupid". I also just figured out to post a gif. So far the game has entered this phase as some are dragging their feet.

If you were Mossad and I were scum, I would have already died in a mysterious explosion.

If you were Mossad and I were scum, I would have already died in a mysterious explosion.

I prefer Piano wire. You can't fake or survive that.

You know what this game needs more of? Spam.

Suga, answer my question.

You know what this game needs more of? Spam.

Suga, answer my question.

Dusty, my comment was mostly aimed at Z who I still feel is scum. I'm going to post my case after we lynch imopen.

Post your case now since a few of us agree that Zem is scum