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Posted: **Fri Feb 07, 2014 2:57 pm**

Do we have any judges? Had a bit of a situation at FNM and I want to know if it was handled correctly.

My opponent had a Japanese Shadowborn Demon that I can't read (I'm in Japan, most of the cards are Japanese and I just have them memorized. My problem, not his).

My opponent "forgets" his trigger (At the beginning of your upkeep, if there are fewer than six creature cards in your graveyard, sacrifice a creature.) for three turns, and I don't remember it / can't read it.

This allows him to chump otherwise lethal attacks and then cast a second demon (this time in English). I read the card and at this point a judge is called.

What should happen?

you should probably each get a warning.

at FNM, who
knows what happened

Posted: **Fri Feb 07, 2014 2:57 pm**

JS:

The new trigger rules say that if it's been less than a full turn cycle since the trigger was missed, the opponent (in this case, you) can decide whether you want the trigger placed on the stack during whatever phase of the game you're in at the time of the judge call.

Since he forgot his trigger for 2+ full turns, and you didn't remind him, they can't be dealt with. The most recent one can, however.

Posted: **Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:21 pm**

Ok, it was handled correctly. Thanks.

Rant

Posted: **Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:39 pm**

If you had remembered, you'd have won. Sucks but thems the breaks.

Posted: **Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:50 pm**

If you had remembered, you'd have won. Sucks but thems the breaks.

Language Barrier = 1
JS = 0

I wonder how many times that's happened? I see SBD more often than I should, but I think I've been missing the trigger everytime

Posted: **Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:55 pm**

Tonight was strange... played vs tribal minotaurs, junk reanimator (with the SBDs) and Naya Hexproof.

The naya hexproof deck played advent > armed > Goreclan > you're dead. That was interesting I guess.

Posted: **Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:56 pm**

Watch out for foreigners at any Magic event, they're very selective about when they know how to speak English.

Posted: **Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:56 pm**

It's the responsibility of both players to maintain the game state. Basically, as far as the judges are concerned, you were just as much at fault as he was.

If this happened repeatedly with the same guy eventually he would get a disqualification for cheating. But missing triggers happens way too often to call it a game loss. They like to keep things as black and white as possible, so you'd never want to have the judges in a position where they have to say, "Well, you would have won the game, so this time it's a game loss... But this guy over here missed the same trigger, but it didn't matter, so carry on."

Posted: **Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:58 pm**

I strongly dislike hexproof as a mechanic.

Posted: **Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:59 pm**

Ham, I'm the foreigner lol.

I'm honest though.

Posted: **Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:59 pm**

It's the responsibility of both players to maintain the game state. Basically, as far as the judges are concerned, you were just as much at fault as he was.

If this happened repeatedly with the same guy eventually he would get a disqualification for cheating. But missing triggers happens way too often to call it a game loss. They like to keep things as black and white as possible, so you'd never want to have the judges in a position where they have to say, "Well, you would have won the game, so this time it's a game loss... But this guy over here missed the same trigger, but it didn't matter, so carry on."

I understand. Thanks for the clarification.

Posted: **Fri Feb 07, 2014 4:06 pm**

Hexproof was fine as a mechanic when it was named Shroud. If something can't be targeted, then it shouldn't be able to be targeted by anything.

Posted: **Fri Feb 07, 2014 4:09 pm**

Ham, I'm the foreigner lol.

I'm honest though.
Are you American? Americans are never the foreigners because we don't own the world only as a formality.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJApFqXkCFo

Posted: **Fri Feb 07, 2014 4:16 pm**

Zem, can you tell Conley Woods to stop trying to make a dredge work in standard?

Posted: **Fri Feb 07, 2014 4:17 pm**

Hexproof was fine as a mechanic when it was named Shroud. If something can't be targeted, then it shouldn't be able to be targeted by anything.

Agree.

Posted: **Fri Feb 07, 2014 4:28 pm**

Hexproof was fine as a mechanic when it was named Shroud. If something can't be targeted, then it shouldn't be able to be targeted by anything.

I disagree. Hexproof is not that good when there is nothing in the environment that makes it overpowered.

There is a reason why the hexproof deck of today is like tier 3.

Posted: **Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:04 pm**

its only because the mana is even shittier than last season, trust me.

Posted: **Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:41 pm**

Soon WOTC will decide Hexproof isn't working right and the True-Name Nemesis ability will become the norm

Posted: **Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:00 pm**

Dark confidant makes me lose life

Posted: **Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:00 pm**

At a competitive REL, I believe the judge has the right to murder both of you.

I lol'd.

Posted: **Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:08 pm**

Soon WOTC will decide Hexproof isn't working right and the True-Name Nemesis ability will become the norm
Dies to Supreme Verdict and Drown in Sorrow.

I remain unimpressed by these bajillion-dollar, beloved, non-Standard creatures. Goyf dies to Doom Blade.

You can say what you want about me, but I'll be damned if I sit here and let you talk shit about Tarmothy T. Goyf.

Posted: **Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:13 pm**

Then there's really no point to having Hexproof as a mechanic if it requires so much help to be any good. Hexproof by itself isn't that great, so you need something overpowered to make it good. That's bad design since the creature either sucks or it's overpowered.

At least Shroud made sense.

Posted: **Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:02 pm**

Um. Hexproof is nuts. Like...it is definitely 'that great'.

Is it 'bad' design because it prevents interactivity? I would say yes. But there's a large set of players who enjoy having cards their opponents cannot deal with outside of specific answers, so hexproof caters to those players in addition to being flavorful. It's strong in limited, playable on occasion in constructed (which is the lens your comment seemed to be coming through), and nuts in casual.

Posted: **Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:20 pm**

I actually like hexproof. It's a solid answer to the "Draw, Go, Kill Your Dude at Combat" type of deck that can be mind numbingly boring to play against, but still lets creature combat be interesting because you can play combat tricks/enchantments.

Posted: **Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:26 pm**

I actually like hexproof. It's a solid answer to the "Draw, Go, Kill Your Dude at Combat" type of deck that can be mind numbingly boring to play against, but still lets creature combat be interesting because you can play combat tricks/enchantments.

qft

Posted: **Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:43 pm**

We tend to get tunnel vision about Constructed; Hexproof is a fine mechanic in Limited.

Posted: **Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:52 pm**

I duno, there's been a lot of Limited talk the last couple of pages

Posted: **Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:59 pm**

Bought three packs on a whim. Searing Blood, Fanatic of Xenagos, Ephara and Temple of Enlightenment.

Posted: **Fri Feb 07, 2014 8:12 pm**

I lost one game at the prerelease when my opponent slammed a Benthic Giant, then Fated Infatuation targeting Benthic Giant, then Archetype of Imagination.

My Voyage's End was only able to do so much to stem the bleeding.

Posted: **Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:02 pm**

Need deck for standard that doesnt use any or close to any btg cards - playing in std tournament tomorrow. Preferable monp black agro list, but dont have best list. Anyone couls post what you brewed from a closed forum or send it to me by pm so I could use it? Cant play rb as I dont have new phoenixes.

Posted: **Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:17 pm**

Play RB with Pain Seer and Temple of Malice? Is that few enough BNG cards to spark your interest?

Posted: **Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:34 pm**

Mono black hasn't been popular around here lately, so I think I might play Nuwen's BR list for the last time before swapping it into Pain Seer.dec.

I'd play Walter White but there is a lot of mono U and the matchup just makes me angry since they ALWAYS have the overloaded Rift when you're about to kill them.

Posted: **Sat Feb 08, 2014 12:22 am**

So, what's the word on Hearthstone? I've a few people now telling me to play it. Looks kinda kiddish, to me.

Posted: **Sat Feb 08, 2014 12:23 am**

Going to keep going with rdw, satyr nyx-smith seems to warrant some testing as a sideboard choice against control, if for no other reason than haste makes inspired a 1 turn wait rather than 2. Also looking at Flame-Wreathed Phoenix either as a replacement for fanatic of mogis, a supplement to him, or having him sit in the board for matchups where i'm forced to play control. Of course I'm always playing RDW so this shouldn't come as a big surprise, I just won't win as often.

Posted: **Sat Feb 08, 2014 1:23 am**

So, what's the word on Hearthstone? I've a few people now telling me to play it. Looks kinda kiddish, to me.

It's fun. Kinda reminds me of when MTG was first released. Rules are more simple. And no mana screw. There are no colors, and you get one mana crystal every turn. The graphics are pleasing and some of the sound effects have made me chuckle. I've been playing for a week now and I'm hooked.

EDIT: Check out the Hearthstone thread in the Entertainment forum.

Posted: **Sat Feb 08, 2014 1:34 am**

I've enjoyed Hearthstone, but it's definitely not a rich game like Magic. Grinding for cards isn't great, I'd rather have a real secondary market, but it's an easy game to figure out and a fun way to spend an hour.

Posted: **Sat Feb 08, 2014 2:25 am**

worth a shot.

Posted: **Sat Feb 08, 2014 2:28 am**

I just went 0-2 drop at fnm, completely scrubbed out.

I'm just sorta out of it, both physically and mentally. Hell, I even forgot to wear the narwhal hat at all, and I had it with me.

I feel terrible right now... I'm honestly thinking about dropping magic for a long time, cause I'm just not having fun right now for some reason... Maybe just focus on casual formats for a while... i don't know.

I feel like scrumper... 

Posted: **Sat Feb 08, 2014 2:29 am**

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSR6ZzjDZ94

Posted: **Sat Feb 08, 2014 2:36 am**

Did your girlfriend leave you too?

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