Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 5:34 pm
Wouldn't this be a false dichotomy?We should end the Day, or at least get things moving in that direction. Everyone either get on the Kaze wagon or say why you'd rather not.
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Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 7:38 pm
Uh... Either you're voting Kaze or you're not. If you're not, there should be a reason, even if that's simply that you think he's town.
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 8:06 pm
I have been trying to decide if i should vote for kaze or suga but now fate and newen are acting really strangely, trying to sheep everyone without giving very good reasons. I don't think proxying his vote to someone who randomly asks for it makes suga town, I think it makes him stupid
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 8:13 pm
Who is sheeping who I made this G_R wagon with my own sweat and blood
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 8:13 pm
I made the fucking Kaze wagon too which IM TRYING TO DISMANTLE
but scum are just far too happy to have that mislynch
stop being blind people
but scum are just far too happy to have that mislynch
stop being blind people
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 8:19 pm
Hey Fate. Have you been lurking here a bunch or what? Swooping in 7 minutes after your name is mentioned feels pretty defensive.
Also, it's hard for me to say you've really been "trying" to do much of anything this game. My initial questions to you were specifically about the Kaze wagon and why you left it, yet you still haven't answered them or commented on your reasoning. Basically, if that's what you think you're trying to do, you're not doing a very good job.
Also, it's hard for me to say you've really been "trying" to do much of anything this game. My initial questions to you were specifically about the Kaze wagon and why you left it, yet you still haven't answered them or commented on your reasoning. Basically, if that's what you think you're trying to do, you're not doing a very good job.
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:01 pm
DroppingSuga is voting Kaze because Kaze led the battlecharge against Suga. Town are quick to believe that scum are trying to lynch people (for the same psychological reasons people generally believe they're being persecuted). Scum votes will be divided between these two wagons, obv, because a dichotomy of two town at day's end is most ideal. All other wagons have been quelled.
Fate's reactions mirror mine. Neither of us kiss ass or bother with irrelevant avenues of play.
posts full of bullshit constitute "doing stuff." Mafia is not a game that favors dotting every I and crossing every T. Bending over to count ants is a good way to get an axe in the back. This isn't a playstyle difference, this is axiom.
Scum win mafia games by making each day as nonspecific as possible, by attacking town reads of other players, and by rallying players against STUPID instead of SCUMMY. Any player can be stupid. Scum motivation is not the same.
Fate's reactions mirror mine. Neither of us kiss ass or bother with irrelevant avenues of play.
If verbose
Also, it's hard for me to say you've really been "trying" to do much of anything this game. My initial questions to you were specifically about the Kaze wagon and why you left it, yet you still haven't answered them or commented on your reasoning.
posts full of bullshit constitute "doing stuff." Mafia is not a game that favors dotting every I and crossing every T. Bending over to count ants is a good way to get an axe in the back. This isn't a playstyle difference, this is axiom.
Scum win mafia games by making each day as nonspecific as possible, by attacking town reads of other players, and by rallying players against STUPID instead of SCUMMY. Any player can be stupid. Scum motivation is not the same.
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:03 pm
Except you're kissing Fate's ass right now. Just saying...
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:17 pm
I was going to say it but GR beat me to it
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:31 pm
It's cute that you seem to believe that you know WHY I voted for Kaze. I voted for Kaze because of his erratic behavior and his unwillingness to cooperate with anyone. I don't simply vote for someone because they vote for me or else I would have been going after the guys who are rallyingDroppingSuga is voting Kaze because Kaze led the battlecharge against Suga. Town are quick to believe that scum are trying to lynch people (for the same psychological reasons people generally believe they're being persecuted). Scum votes will be divided between these two wagons, obv, because a dichotomy of two town at day's end is most ideal. All other wagons have been quelled.
Fate's reactions mirror mine. Neither of us kiss ass or bother with irrelevant avenues of play.
If verbose posts full of bullshit constitute "doing stuff." Mafia is not a game that favors dotting every I and crossing every T. Bending over to count ants is a good way to get an axe in the back. This isn't a playstyle difference, this is axiom.
Also, it's hard for me to say you've really been "trying" to do much of anything this game. My initial
questions to you were specifically about the Kaze wagon and why you left it, yet you still haven't answered them or commented on your reasoning.
Scum win mafia games by making each day as nonspecific as possible, by attacking town reads of other players, and by rallying players against STUPID instead of SCUMMY. Any player can be stupid. Scum motivation is not the same.
against me at this point. I stand by my read that Kaze is scum and will keep my votes their until the end of the day phase.
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:40 pm
This isn't a playstyle difference,If verbose posts full of bullshit constitute "doing stuff." Mafia is not a game that favors dotting every I and crossing every T. Bending over to count ants is a good way to get an axe in the back. This isn't a playstyle difference, this is axiom.
Also, it's hard for me to say you've really been "trying" to do much of anything this game. My initial questions to you were specifically about the Kaze wagon and why you left it, yet you still haven't answered them or commented on your reasoning.
this is delusion.
Fate seems to think he's doing all this great stuff, but all I've seen is him trying to bully people into changing their votes without offering a scrap of reason. I'd be up for leaving the Kaze wagon if I believed he's town. Fate calling me blind isn't going to get me there.
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:46 pm
I thought you gave up your vote..?It's cute that you seem to believe that you know WHY I voted for Kaze. I voted for Kaze because of his erratic behavior and his unwillingness toDroppingSuga is voting Kaze because Kaze led the battlecharge against Suga. Town are quick to believe that scum are trying to lynch people (for the same psychological reasons people generally believe they're being persecuted). Scum votes will be divided between these two wagons, obv, because a dichotomy of two town at day's end is most ideal. All other wagons have been quelled.
Fate's reactions mirror mine. Neither of us kiss ass or bother with irrelevant avenues of play.
If verbose posts full of bullshit constitute "doing stuff." Mafia is not a game that favors dotting every I and crossing every T. Bending over to count ants is a good way to get an axe in the back. This isn't a playstyle difference, this is axiom.
Also, it's hard for me to say you've really been "trying" to do much of anything this game. My initial questions to you were specifically about the Kaze wagon and why you left it, yet you still haven't answered them or commented on your reasoning.
Scum win mafia games by making each day as nonspecific as possible, by attacking town reads of other players, and by rallying players against STUPID instead of SCUMMY. Any player can be stupid. Scum motivation is not the same.
cooperate with anyone. I don't simply vote for someone because they vote for me or else I would have been going after the guys who are rallying against me at this point. I stand by my read that Kaze is scum and will keep my votes their until the end of the day phase.
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:26 pm
Why are you making haste? Is there a reason you're trying to draw lines in the sand? I don't see the town motivation here.We should end the Day, or at least get things moving in that direction. Everyone either get on the Kaze wagon or say why you'd rather not.
Good for you.I'd like to reiteriate:
vote: Kaze
But does it make him scummy? Ask yourself that.I have been trying to decide if i should vote for kaze or suga but now fate
and newen are acting really strangely, trying to sheep everyone without giving very good reasons. I don't think proxying his vote to someone who randomly asks for it makes suga town, I think it makes him stupid
(And then realize the answer is yes.)
Ohai, Fate.Who is sheeping who I made this G_R wagon with my own sweat and blood
MS meta suggests townFate is a rather vociferous poster. Why have you been so lurky this game?
You are buddying so hard.Fate's reactions mirror mine. Neither of us kiss ass or bother with irrelevant avenues of play.
Hold the phone.It's cute that you seem to believe that you know WHY I voted for Kaze. I voted for Kaze because of his erratic behavior and his unwillingness to cooperate with anyone. I don't simply vote for someone because they vote for me or else I would have been going after the guys who are rallying against me at this point. I stand by my read that Kaze is scum and will keep my votes their until the end of the day phase.
When you first voted me, you admitted you had no reason, just gut you were going by. When the hell did you contrive this reasoning? How about this, please quote and explain when I was being "erratic and uncooperative" because I don't fucking think you can.
So...if Fate is town, I'm town? Where did this come from? Explain what your thought process is here, please.Fate seems to think he's doing all this great stuff, but all I've seen is him trying to bully people into changing their votes without offering a scrap of reason. I'd be up for leaving the Kaze wagon if I believed he's town. Fate calling me blind isn't going to get me there.
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How about those nameclaims?
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:40 pm
Not sure how you're misreading that, but I'll try to word it differently.So...if Fate is town, I'm town? Where did this come from? Explain what your thought process is here, please.Fate seems to think he's doing all this great stuff, but all I've seen is him trying to bully people into changing their votes without offering a scrap of reason. I'd be up for leaving the Kaze wagon if I believed he's town. Fate calling me blind isn't going to get me there.
If I believe Kaze to be town, I will get off Kaze's wagon. At the moment, I believe Kaze is scum. Fate
apparently wants me to believe Kaze is town. Rather than use reasoning, Fate calls me blind, which is not very effective.
Manders, if you're still counting, I am officially against a name claim.How about those nameclaims?
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:45 pm
Are you against the nameclaim because I am for it, Stardust?
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 11:50 pm
Again, that was incidental.A sudden shift for a minor reason following a change in someone else's opinion. That's something worth noting.
That's not going to happen.We should end the Day, or at least get things moving in that direction. Everyone either get on the Kaze wagon or say why you'd rather not.
We're lynching Suga.
Period.
If you don't like that, you'll have to kill me.
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 11:56 pm
nAgain, that was incidental.A sudden shift for a minor reason following a change in someone else's opinion. That's something worth noting.
That's not going to happen.We should end the Day, or at least get things moving in that direction. Everyone either get on the Kaze wagon or say why you'd rather not.
We're lynching Suga.
Period.
If you don't like that, you'll have to kill me.
No we're not! I'm not going anywhere gentlemen.
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 12:59 am
lolNo we're not! I'm not going anywhere gentlemen.Again, that was incidental.A sudden shift for a minor reason following a change in someone else's opinion. That's something worth noting.
That's not going to happen.We should end the Day, or at least get things moving in that direction. Everyone either get on the Kaze wagon or say why you'd
rather not.
We're lynching Suga.
Period.
If you don't like that, you'll have to kill me.
unvote vote suga
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 1:00 am
The train slowly builds...
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 1:35 am
I figured her statement was town motivated. At the time I guessed there was a good reason.Why would you agree to something if you don't know what it will accomplish?Because I don't know what will be accomplished by claiming names.Why the question mark?
And the explanation she gave makes sense to me at least. That's why I stand by my 'I guess' and will even promote it to a
full 'sure'.
If anyone has a good reason not to though, I'd be happy to hear it. (Being a waste of time is not a good reason to me.)
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:37 am
I don't like any of this postWe should end the Day, or at least get things moving in that direction. Everyone either get on the Kaze wagon or say why you'd rather not.
1) It implies we should either be a) voting for Kaze or b) actively defending him/not voting for him, that those unconvinced (I, and possibly others) need to make a definitive stance on whether he is or is not scum
2) It implies that the only real scum-suspect (or whatever vernacular is prefered) is Kaze, despite decent arguments for others (GR, DroppinSuga, imopen, due note, I do not per se think they are scum, just that arguments have been made regarding them) being thrown around
3) His follow up to this (responding to whether this is a false dichotomy or not) actually
makes me think this is even more so
"Either you're voting Kaze or you're not. If you're not, there should be a reason, even if that's simply that you think he's town"
Again, it presents a scenario that we have to decide whether he is town or not (I'm not convinced of either, Nuwen's arguements from earlier make a pretty compelling case, yet my gut tells me he isn't based on my own experience with a similar situation), not only that, he either a) refuses to admit that it is a false dichotomy, b) doesn't believe that it is or c) has no idea what one is (which I doubt), if he didn't believe it is, he would've elaborated further, yet he didn't, implying that A, he doesn't want to admit to it being one, he's presenting a fairly black and white situation that either a) I feel kaze is scum and thus am voting him or b) I feel that he isn't scum (implying that I believe he is town, least his words do) and thus not voting him.
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:52 am
i do not understand this post. am i the only one? aren't you creating your own false dichotomy here? you seem to be trying to dissect stardust's thought process in a most confusing wayI don't like any of this postWe should end the Day, or at least get things moving in that direction. Everyone either get on the Kaze wagon or say why you'd rather not.
1) It implies we should either be a) voting for Kaze or b) actively defending him/not voting for him, that those unconvinced (I, and possibly others) need to make a definitive stance on whether he is or is not scum
2) It implies that the only real scum-suspect (or whatever vernacular is prefered) is Kaze, despite decent arguments for others (GR, DroppinSuga, imopen, due note, I do not per se think they are
scum, just that arguments have been made regarding them) being thrown around
3) His follow up to this (responding to whether this is a false dichotomy or not) actually makes me think this is even more so
"Either you're voting Kaze or you're not. If you're not, there should be a reason, even if that's simply that you think he's town"
Again, it presents a scenario that we have to decide whether he is town or not (I'm not convinced of either, Nuwen's arguements from earlier make a pretty compelling case, yet my gut tells me he isn't based on my own experience with a similar situation), not only that, he either a) refuses to admit that it is a false dichotomy, b) doesn't believe that it is or c) has no idea what one is (which I doubt), if he didn't believe it is, he would've elaborated further, yet he didn't, implying that A, he doesn't want to admit to it being one, he's presenting a fairly black and white situation that either a) I feel kaze is scum and thus am voting him or b)
I feel that he isn't scum (implying that I believe he is town, least his words do) and thus not voting him.
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 4:02 am
Let's say that's exactly right. What does that mean to you?Are you against the nameclaim because I am for it, Stardust?
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 4:04 am
(dammit not again, should probably stop getting on the internet after working 10+ hours)i do not understand this post. am i the only one? aren't you creating your own false dichotomy here? you seem to be trying to dissect stardust's thought process in a most confusing way
Define confusing and what don't you understand
I am not presenting a black and white choice, merely stating that I do not care for stardust doing so.
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 4:09 am
You'd probably understand it if you weren't so fucking blown all the time.i do not understand this post. am i the only one? aren't you creating your own false dichotomy here? you seem to be trying to dissect stardust's thought process in a most confusing way
That means toLet's say that's exactly right. What does that mean to you?Are you against the nameclaim because I am for it, Stardust?
me that you are possibly retarded.
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 4:20 am
By the way, I like this new and improved Lord McD's. Keep it up.
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 4:44 am
I'll try not too
By the way, I like this new and improved Lord McD's. Keep it up.
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 5:50 am
Oh look, a bunch of stuff I don't plan on reading happened.
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 6:05 am
Fuck art, let's dance!
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 6:18 am
I'm reconsidering Tom as an option for toDay's lynch.
/barn LMD
/barn LMD
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 6:25 am
I'm reconsidering Tom as an option for toDay's lynch.
/barn LMD
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:46 am
Votecount tomorrow, watch this space.
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 1:58 pm
I'm starting to come around to Lord McDonalds.
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:00 pm
Oh look, a bunch of stuff I don't plan on reading happened.
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:55 pm
Problem?
Oh look, a bunch of stuff I don't plan on reading happened.
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 8:11 pm
am I in the right thread?
What the fuck is going on here
What the fuck is going on here
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 8:12 pm
Also this is a different site, comparing my MS meta to here is pretty silly. Over there I say things and they get listened to, so you can see why I'm less interested in saying things here
Like I said before, after a couple flips of me being right you'll all come around to listening to me and then I'll lead you sad fucks to victory
Like I said before, after a couple flips of me being right you'll all come around to listening to me and then I'll lead you sad fucks to victory
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 8:20 pm
I'm ok with waiting for those potential future flips of you being right instead of sheepishly following your unsubstanciated one liners
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 8:30 pm
am I in the right thread?
What the fuck is going on here
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Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 8:50 pm
Who let Tom Servo out of his cage anyway?
Let's get back on track here. Has Kaze been lynched yet? Why not?
Nuwen, don't you say a word.