Dies to Removal

PSully's played REB in the past.

I found this article last Saturday night/Sunday morning while digging up as much info as I could on sideboarding for Legacy Burn. Also found a lot of weird stuff from about 2 years ago. Like, did you know that Patrick Sullivan made an all spells U/R Burn deck with Brainstorms and shit and was all like,"THIS IS THE BEST DECK EVER!" ?

Did you check this thread Khaos? Last time I checked there was some excellent SBing info in there

Also

PSully's played REB in the past.

I found this article last Saturday night/Sunday morning while digging up as much info as I could on sideboarding for Legacy Burn. Also found a lot of weird stuff from about 2 years ago. Like, did you know that Patrick Sullivan made an all spells U/R Burn deck with Brainstorms and shit and was all like,"THIS IS THE BEST DECK EVER!" ?

Did you check this thread Khaos? Last time I checked there was some excellent SBing info in there

Also

Yeah, good ole MTG Salvation lol

So Burn just won SCG Legacy Open Las Vegas, list below.

Is Eidolon of the Great Revel really turning Burn into a viable deck again? I'm glad I just bought a playset, because it's seeing play in all formats -> not cheap for long.

[deck]
Creatures (11)

4 Goblin Guide
3 Grim Lavamancer
4 Eidolon of the Great Revel

Lands (20)

13 Mountain
1 Arid Mesa
1 Bloodstained Mire
1 Scalding Tarn
4 Wooded Foothills

Spells (29)

2 Sulfuric Vortex
4 Fireblast
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Price of Progress
3 Searing Blaze
4 Chain Lightning
4 Lava Spike
4 Rift Bolt

Sideboard
2 Ensnaring Bridge
3 Relic of Progenitus
3 Vexing Shusher
2 Mindbreak Trap
2 Searing Blood
3 Smash to Smithereens
[/deck]

I love that list!

And yes, Eidolon is the bee's knees.

Flame Rift for Eidolon. I can dig it. I am also very surprised to see how many elves he had to of battled through, that was my biggest problem in grinding for the Invitational. Looks like Eidolon remedies that.

Eidolon does indeed help a lot in that matchup. With Elves on the upswing, we need to be prepared to face even more of the green menace.

That list is curious because besides the manabase the 60 I whipped up on my notepad yesterday is an exact mirror! I really like it.

The board really has all the bases covered. For playing in my local area, I'd run it after swapping the Searing Bloods for REBs and doing a 10/10 split on fetched and Mountains.

I'd find room for the third Sulfuric Vortex in the side and a couple more Searing effects. I guess the Relics are for Dredge? Is that a matchup that even needs to be addressed?

I guess there's Reanimator too...

Some form of graveyard hate is probably necessary. Cards like that also can shrink Tarmogoyf and Mongoose.

I liek the relics vs RUG Delver... From my experience, once Gofy got past bolt range (they ALWAYS have daze) it was basically GG.

I prefer faerie macabre to stop the turn 0 decks that can stop you cold, like Oops All Spells and Reanimator that can land an Iona right away.

Me too. I don't think this deck needs to worry about Dredge, does it? So Macabre is the better choice here.

I don't know how the dredge matchup is, but my guess would be go big or go home if you're not a combo deck and you want to board some GY hate.

The goyf thing is a big thing to me for playing relic.

Dredge you simply race

Sometimes they have the stone cold nuts and get there with an army, sometimes they don't

For Dredge, you also have to remember the 'Bolt your own dude' trick to get rid of the Bridges.

The Relic is good against Canadian Threshold and RUG delver. Both decks right now are pretty much the number 1 'fair' aggro deck. That Mongoose can be pretty nasty at times.

But really, we are pretty favored in those matchups anyway. We WANT to be playing against fair decks. It's the combo decks that destroy Burn.

The Relic is good against Canadian Threshold and RUG delver.

Same deck nigga.

I'm dumb. I meant to write BUG aggro.

I should sig that

I should sig that

I think you should.

It's what I get for working 12 hours and then pretending like I know Legacy.

I'm dumb. I meant to write BUG aggro.

You mean team America, cause if were going to use the traditional neckbeard names for these decks let's go balls fucking deep with this shit

I'm dumb. I meant to write BUG aggro.

You mean team America, cause if were going to use the traditional neckbeard names for these decks let's go balls fucking deep with this shit

Let's see how balls deep this rabbit hole goes.

First time I've been offered anal over the internet

Not sure how I feel about this

First time I've been offered anal over the internet

Not sure how I feel about this

We can either go with it or never speak about it again.

The balls are in your court.

RUG is the harder of the delver matchups imo. UWR being the easiest.

Do we really care that much about Tarmogoyf that we want to bring in Relic to fight it though? Why dilute our deck for a 3/4 or 4/5? Can we not beat their clock?

I'm being serious. I don't get to play Legacy around here.

Do we really care that much about Tarmogoyf that we want to bring in Relic to fight it though? Why dilute our deck for a 3/4 or 4/5? Can we not beat their clock?

I'm being serious. I don't get to play Legacy around here.

You're absolutely right. Burn is capable of winning on turn 3-4. It's not enough time for a Tarmogoyf to really threaten you.

These kind of decks are what Burn preys on.

However, with that said, I think I'd like to have a Relic of Progenitus for BUG aggro since it runs Tarmogoyf, DRS, and even Tombstalker The graveyard plays a central role in that deck and if I'm stuck playing a long game against that deck, I'd like to have some
insurance.

Here's something I've found a little interesting: the reason why all of these recent lists are running Relic of Progenitus is because of Jon Thiel's 9th place deck at SCG Indianapolis. Every online and paper list I've seen since then has just been some mutation of Thiel's deck:

[deck]
Land 20
9 Mountain
4 Arid Mesa
4 Scalding Tarn
3 Wooded Foothills

Creatures 12
4 Goblin Guide
4 Grim Lavamancer
4 Eidolon of the Great Revel

Spells 28
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Lava Spike
4 Flame Rift
4 Chain Lightning
4 Searing Blaze
4 Fireblast
4 Rift Bolt

SIDEBOARD 15
3 Relic of Progenitus
3 Shattering Spree
3 Price of Progress
3 Pyrostatic Pillar
3 Searing Blood
[/deck]

It does look like a work of art, doesn't it?

It's where I got the idea to run both Eidolon and Pillar when I went to go play some Legacy about a week ago. But I digress...


I believe that, right now, it's somewhat essential to have some GY hate in Burn. There's a lot of choices - Relic, Crypt,
Macabre, etc. Each has it's function. But you don't need them for the majority fair decks. You got to remember that whatever you sideboard in you're removing precious Burn spells with which you need to aim at your opponent's head, so you have to be absolutely sure that what's going in will either keep you from losing instantly or is going to turn a quite unwinnable matchup into a real chance.

Price better than Flame Rift? Not sure in G1 if thats the case, I find my opponents are more likely to play around Price post board.

Price is definitely better when you have Eidolon. Rift will hit you for 6, Price only 2. Also, many decks simply cannot play around Price if they want any land at all.

See all those Delver decks running around? Jund decks?

Yeah, Price is usually hitting for 6 on turn 3.

I'd much rather be maindecking Price of Progress in Legacy. It deals much more damage over 100 games than Flame Rift does.

I prefer Smash to Smithereens over Shattering Spree. There are not many games where I'm interested in blowing up multiple artifacts. Only Painter and U/B Tezz come to mind.

I have thought about Pyrostatic Pillar alongside Eidolon in the 75, but I would limit it to two. Gives you a lot better chance of free wins against Elves and Storm, and does quite a number on Delver decks as well.

I'm also quite fond of Vexing Shusher too. It does a ton of work against Miracles which is starting to rise in popularity.

I think Sulfuric Vortex is a must have in the 75. It's good against almost everything and ridiculous against Miracles, Delver, Deathrite decks, and Stoneforge decks. The two former decks in particular can't really interact with it once it resolves.

As you can see, I'm pretty good at
theorycrafting, but it means nothing if I don't have in-game experience, which is why I default to the rest of you on the other questions like racing Goyf decks and which matchups to be concerned about.

Fairly certain you'd want smash against painter anyways

Smash is the nuts. Great against UWR Dever, Death and Taxes and MUD/affiniy w.e its called.

Great against decks with brown cards

I like Shattering Spree to fight Chalice decks and Affinity, but that's a meta call. There are numerous versions of these decks floating around where I occasionally play.

And for those that don't know, Spree copies don't get countered by a Chalice on 1. But, I guess Shusher keeps any spell from being countered too....so, yeah. What the hell do I know?


I do know that this frog is amazeballz!

Chalice decks are much more likely to say X=1, which is why I prefer smash. If your casting Spree for 2, why not get 3 dmg out of it.

Is it a frog, or a cat?

Affinity is prolly the only time you want spree and even then, meltdown is prolly better