Dies to Removal

I'm here, I'm queer, get used to it.

Kaze is actively called people who are SUPPORTING him as town, scum (Nuwen, Me) for BUDDYING.

Aka he is SCUMHUNTING the game, not scum backed to a corner who would latch onto ANY Friend they could get

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVsLzTKArkM
Votecount #5:
TomServo (1) - Iso
DroppinSuga (4) - rezombad, Kazekirimaru, Lord_Mcdonalds, Yanni
Kazekirimaru (2) - Scumbag, DroppinSuga
Iso (1) - TomServo
GR (2) - Fate, Nuwen
Scumbag (2) - Stardust, Spambolic
imopen2 (1) - Manders

With 16 alive, it's 9 to lynch!

Kaze is actively called people who are SUPPORTING him as town, scum (Nuwen, Me) for BUDDYING.

Aka he is SCUMHUNTING the game, not scum backed to a corner who would latch onto ANY Friend they could get

but you guys are butt budies

Id like to use my second vote to:

vote: Kaze

Id like to use my second vote to:

vote: Kaze

If this is true then everyone needs to unvote you.

Id like to use my second vote to:

vote: Kaze

VOTECOUNT PLEASE, DAN

@Mod - Is that vote count correct? Isn't Iso voting Suga and isn't Stardust voting Kaze?

lol

Id like to use my second vote to:

vote: Kaze

If this is true then everyone needs to unvote you.

It's very much true.

PANIC! SCATTER!

Servo, back in your hole.

The mod shall reveal the truth.

You mean I could have had TWO proxy votes if bitch-assed bitches hadn't peer pressured Suga to Behave Like The White Man Says.

@people who play mafia often: is it typically a scum or a town ability to vote twice?

omg dan you're as bad at votecounts as I am.

Doublevoter is typically a town power but we don't know what the setup is like. I'd say there's a fair chance dan wouldn't be opposed to including a scum doublevoter in this game.

@people who play mafia often: is it typically a scum or a town ability to vote twice?

Always town as far as I've ever seen, with one exception. It's generally considered an extremely powerful (and kind of lame) ability on scum since they can just wait until the final day to "Oops! We win!". Iso's latest game, Legend of Lucian (on MTGS) allowed the scum to have a one-shot double vote and a one-shot "need two less votes to lynch". The scum completely controlled the last two Days of the game because of those two abilities. It was balanced by an extremely powerful town, but still might have been over-the-top. Anyway, until we start seeing some extreme power to balance this, it's very safe to assume Suga is town.

Kaze is actively called people who are SUPPORTING him as town, scum (Nuwen, Me) for BUDDYING.

Aka he is SCUMHUNTING the game, not scum backed to a corner who would latch onto ANY Friend they could get

This is true. I'm glad we got you out of the woodwork, Fate.


So although I didn't get as many responses as I might have liked, we got some decent results.

- Lord McD's surprised me as being the one to call me on my (intentionally) forceful language, which I'm taking as an indication of towniness for now.

- imopen2 worked hard at spreading suspicion with this post (which may also indicate Kaze as a scumbuddy), and then later again towards Lord McD's.

- Fate actually made some definite comments for once, though I'm not sure on his
defensiveness here.

- Nuwen came out to defend Fate, but clearly believes Kaze to be town. Though I've taken their defense of each other mainly as MafiaScum folks defending their playstyle, GR apparently disagrees. Yanni's comment is irrelevant because it's Yanni, but I'm not a fan of GR stepping in there time and again to poke suspicion at Nuwen without backing it up with a case or a vote.

I stand by my read that Kaze is scum and will keep my votes their until the end of the day phase.

Huh, not a typo apparently!

- And Kaze's reply. I like this post overall, and I'd also like to point out that Fate and
Kaze are almost certainly not scum together. Yanni, do you see this? The only thing I didn't like about this post was his going back to nameclaims. Felt to me like an attempt at going back to something solid he could grasp, which (for a townie) is basically irrelevant. So I targeted that and didn't get much info, sadly.

- Noteable omissions! GR made no comment regarding my "attempt" to end the Day, even after I prodded him. A lot of this attempt was meant to glean information on GR's relationship with Kaze, something that his silence perhaps is an indication of. Of course, scumGR may have seen it as a trap and responded as such, so Kaze as town has little bearing on GR's alignment.


Anyway, in the end I'm still not 100% on Kaze, but I'm more than willing to stop voting him and push against imopen2. He's had some juicy interaction with my other lead for scum, GR, and after this latest round of accusing everyone for everything, I'm more sure about him than ever.

Unvote,
Vote imopen2.


On Suga as double voter
He's almost certainly town based on his claim alone. I already thought he was town based on behaviour. Even if you disagree with that, you should unvote him. A double voter should never be lynched Day 1. If we see some serious power to balance a scum double voter, then push for his lynch. The fact that Iso and Kaze remain on him despite the claim (which is proveable and therefore not a lie) is desperate at this point. Iso, if you get Suga killed toDay I won't lynch you because you'll be town, but I will be pissed and probably refer to you as Kosakosa for the rest of the game. You know what I mean.

i do not understand this post. am i the only one? aren't you creating your own false dichotomy here? you seem to be trying to dissect stardust's thought process in a most confusing way

(dammit not again, should probably stop getting on the internet after working 10+ hours)

Define confusing and what don't you understand

I am not presenting a black and white choice, merely stating that I do not care for stardust doing so.

I get it now, don't worry. You just used a lot of 1. 2. A. B. C. And it got a little confusing. I agree that stardust seemed to be
tunneling kaze but at that point (before suga's double vote) I too saw kaze and suga as the two main suspects and was leaning towards kaze so I don't fault him for trying to garner focus on kaze

You mean I could have had TWO proxy votes if bitch-assed bitches hadn't peer pressured Suga to Behave Like The White Man Says.

To be fair he took his votes from you after i pointed out that he has G_R pegged as town and you are voting for G_R.

Nigga.

unvote

I am NOT Kosakosa.

Unvote, Vote G_R

lol what up? I haven't posted in over two IRL days except to avoid mod-prodding and what did I do now?

omg dan you're as bad at votecounts as I am.

Doublevoter is typically a town power but we don't know what the setup is like. I'd say there's a fair chance dan wouldn't be opposed to including a scum doublevoter in this game.

mod game more

I am NOT Kosakosa.

Unvote, Vote G_R

Yanni, you still think Suga is scum?

Alright, I've re-read the game. I have a surprise at the end!

surprise me

After re-reading the game, I believe that imopen2 and rezombad are town, and their scumminess comes from newbieness. Fate and Nuwen are also strongly reading as town, just their ideas from a different meta are getting in their way.

Yannus earns an "I'm looking at you" tag because of that wagon hop there.

Kazekirimaru is not off the hook yet, but I would rather not lynch the guy today.
Vote Stardust

You're right! I did prod you beforehand! My mistake. A minor point anyway since it's hard to read into silence regardless.

Anyway, this post is full of gold. I'm willing to throw down and confirm that the scum team is ( G_R ), imopen and Kaze after that. You heard it here first!

Questioning his line of thought is hardly "poking suspicion". You are misrepresenting my words.

And I'd say that "you're kissing Fate's ass right now" is hardly "questioning his line of thought". You're misrepresenting your own words.

All this scheme-ish approach is not quite townie, I'd say.

Point to a scum motivation for my scheming and the results I posted and I'll concede this as a point. But you can't. I did what I did for good reason and with enough town credit to back it up.

Anyway, I'm up for lynching either imopen2 or GR now. I don't care what breadcrumbing he thinks he's been doing anymore. Given that GR's got more momentum, Unvote, Vote ( G_R ). Don't you dare call that an OMGUS.

I'm calling it an OMGUS alright.

Ohey Stardust and Gaea's Regent are bussing eachother. Cool.

unvote, VOTE: (G_R)
FoS: Stardust
Scumbuddies4lyfe.

Yeah right. That's exactly what I'm trying to figure out about your interactions with Stardust. But for now, I'm sticking with this vote because I'm positive that I caught him. And it's not just about that last post of his. I'm gathering all the posts that turned up his scumpoints on my spreadsheet. Will post when done.

After re-reading the game, I believe that imopen2 and rezombad are town, and their scumminess comes from newbieness. Fate and Nuwen are also strongly reading as town, just their ideas from a different meta are getting in their way.

Yannus earns an "I'm looking at you" tag because of that wagon hop there.

Kazekirimaru is not off the hook yet, but I would rather not lynch the guy today.

As for the surprise:

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- Nuwen came out to defend Fate, but clearly believes Kaze to
be town. Though I've taken their defense of each other mainly as MafiaScum folks defending their playstyle, GR apparently disagrees. Yanni's comment is irrelevant because it's Yanni, but I'm not a fan of GR stepping in there time and again to poke suspicion at Nuwen without backing it up with a case or a vote.

Questioning his line of thought is hardly "poking suspicion". You are misrepresenting my words.

- Noteable omissions! GR made no comment regarding my "attempt" to end the Day, even after I prodded him. A lot of this attempt was meant to glean information on GR's relationship with Kaze, something that his silence perhaps is an indication of. Of course, scumGR may have seen it as a trap and responded as such, so Kaze as town has little bearing on GR's alignment.

nExcept you prodded me before your so-called attempt? I think you slipped there buddy. All this scheme-ish approach is not quite townie, I'd say.

Vote Stardust

yeah a wagon hop onto a guy I already thought was scummy "v10. DroppinSuga leaning scum"
post 186

/unvote DroppinSuga

Liable to disappear during the weekend (Homework and may or may not be going to a convention), and wanted to make sure I wasn't voting in case some shenanigans go down while I'm not looking.

/unvote DroppinSuga

Fixed that for ya (damn no editing rules )

The votecount I put in #404 should've looked like this:

DroppinSuga (5) - rezombad, Kazekirimaru, Iso, Lord_McDonalds, Yanni
Kazekirimaru (4) - Scumbag, DroppinSuga (320), Stardust, DroppinSuga (360)
Iso (1) - TomServo
GR (2) - Fate, Nuwen
Scumbag (1) - Spambolic
imopen2 (1) - Manders

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And now:

Votecount #6 (439):
DroppinSuga (1) -Yanni
Kazekirimaru (3) - Scumbag, DroppinSuga (320), DroppinSuga (360)
Iso (1) - TomServo
GR (5) - Fate, Nuwen, Iso, Stardust, Kazekirimaru
Scumbag (1) - Spambolic
imopen2 (1) - Manders
Stardust (1) - GR

With 16 alive, it's 9 to lynch!

Please let me know if I've made a mistake.

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Still looking for replacements. I think someone needs prodding, but it's not coming right now.