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Posted: **Thu Dec 04, 2014 1:57 pm**

This is still one of my favorite stripes in UGMadness

Posted: **Thu Dec 04, 2014 3:22 pm**

Posted: **Thu Dec 04, 2014 3:23 pm**

I don't even...

Posted: **Thu Dec 04, 2014 3:24 pm**

Is it funny simply because it makes fun of mtgs posters? Because otherwise...

Posted: **Thu Dec 04, 2014 3:42 pm**

It's funny because the comic sets you up to think that this guys must really like MTGS and value the opinion of the posters there if he's willing to record a podcast with nothing but their posts! But then, bam! Everything you thought you knew about this comic was wrong! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

... I actually liked it.

Posted: **Thu Dec 04, 2014 5:03 pm**

I think that you really want Chalice in the main deck as well as perhaps Trinisphere. Turn 1 Chalice is a beating against quite a few decks. I am not convinced that you need 4 Wurmcoil Engines. Most of the MUD decks also have a Cloudpost package but that might not be possible since you need red mana. Blood Moon can probably go to the sideboard given the number of basic lands I have seen in recent weeks. I don't know if you need the Top but that is a hard card to argue against in any deck.
My thinking was that you probably didn't wannt welder and chalice together in the main. When you side in chalice / trinisphere, you side out one drops. I could be completely wrong with this kind of thinking though.

you can play maindeck Cavern of souls to circumvent that

Posted: **Thu Dec 04, 2014 5:29 pm**

Is it funny simply because it makes fun of mtgs posters? Because otherwise...

you're a dunce

Posted: **Thu Dec 04, 2014 6:06 pm**

I think that you really want Chalice in the main deck as well as perhaps Trinisphere. Turn 1 Chalice is a beating against quite a few decks. I am not convinced that you need 4 Wurmcoil Engines. Most of the MUD decks also have a Cloudpost package but that might not be possible since you need red mana. Blood Moon can probably go to the sideboard given the number of basic lands I have seen in recent weeks. I don't know if you need the Top but that is a hard card to argue against in any deck.
My thinking was that you probably didn't wannt welder and chalice together in the main. When you side in chalice / trinisphere, you side out one drops. I could be completely wrong with this kind of thinking though.
you can play maindeck Cavern of souls to circumvent that

Good call.

Posted: **Thu Dec 04, 2014 6:13 pm**

People who play a lot of legacy, feedback on this list? Pretty please?

[deck]Creatures:24
4 Goblin Welder
4 Metalworker
4 Lodestone Golem
4 Kuldotha Forgemaster
2 Steel Hellkite
4 Wurmcoil Engine
1 Sundering Titan
1 Blightsteel Colossus

Spells:18
2 Mox Opal
2 Faithless Looting
1 Sensei's Divining Top
4 Grim Monolith
2 Lightning Greaves
2 Blood Moon
1 Staff of Domination
1 Batterskull
1 Mindslaver
1 Staff of Nin
1 Spine of Ish Sah

Lands:18
4 Ancient Tomb
1 Buried Ruin
4 City of Traitors
2 Darksteel Citadel
4 Great Furnace
1 Hall of the Bandit Lord
2 Mountain

Sideboard:15
4 Chalice of the Void
2 Tormod's Crypt
2 Ratchet Bomb
2 Trinisphere
3 Mindbreak Trap
1 Witchbane Orb
1 Duplicant
[/deck]
Has mountains, looks bad on paper and plays worse, has no good matchups, yep, it's an FOS deck

Better?

[deck] Creatures:22
4 Goblin Welder
4 Metalworker
4 Lodestone Golem
4 Kuldotha Forgemaster
4 Wurmcoil Engine
1 Sundering Titan
1 Blightsteel Colossus

Spells:20
4 Chalice of the Void
2 Mox Opal
2 Faithless Looting
4 Grim Monolith
2 Lightning Greaves
1 Staff of Domination
2 Trinisphere
1 Batterskull
1 Mindslaver
1 Staff of Nin

Lands:18
4 Ancient Tomb
2 Cavern of Souls
4 City of Traitors
2 Darksteel Citadel
4 Great Furnace
2 Mountain

Sideboard:15
2 Tormod's Crypt
2 Ratchet Bomb
1 Chaos Warp
2 Trinisphere
3 Mindbreak Trap
1 Witchbane Orb
1 Duplicant
2 Steel Hellkite
1 Spine of Ish Sah
[/deck]

Posted: **Thu Dec 04, 2014 6:22 pm**

Maybe better to start with this?

http://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=8096&d=246650&f=LE

Posted: **Thu Dec 04, 2014 6:23 pm**

We're planning on playing in Standard / Modern / Legacy Trios and I'm probably going to end up playing Legacy.

Want a deck that's:

A) Semi-competitive
B) Semi-cheap
C) I don't hate

Posted: **Thu Dec 04, 2014 6:25 pm**

the budg king cometh

Posted: **Thu Dec 04, 2014 6:31 pm**

If it's fun, that's a bonus too.

Posted: **Thu Dec 04, 2014 6:35 pm**

That depends on what your staple count is like. Do you have Forces? Duals (which ones)? What can you source easily enough to get some reps in with?

Edit - Working with the base MUD deck before trying to add Welder might be wise. You will figure out which cards work best for you and what you can shave to make room for the new tech.

Posted: **Thu Dec 04, 2014 6:40 pm**

Personally, I will be playing (Cruise) Burn until I give up Magic most likely. Other good decks for newer Legacy players would be things like UR Delver, Maverick, Sneak and Show, or Death and Taxes. Avoid Miracles or combo decks like Elves or Storm unless you can get a lot of practice in.

Gives advice, plays burn in Legacy

Posted: **Thu Dec 04, 2014 6:47 pm**

You should play some number of daretti's if you want to play red in MUD.
I also saw lists running grove of the burnwillows/punishing fire.

Posted: **Thu Dec 04, 2014 7:13 pm**

Dragon stompy

Posted: **Thu Dec 04, 2014 7:26 pm**

Personally, I will be playing (Cruise) Burn until I give up Magic most likely. Other good decks for newer Legacy players would be things like UR Delver, Maverick, Sneak and Show, or Death and Taxes. Avoid Miracles or combo decks like Elves or Storm unless you can get a lot of practice in.

Gives advice, plays burn in legacy

Posted: **Thu Dec 04, 2014 7:34 pm**

Personally, I will be playing (Cruise) Burn until I give up Magic most likely. Other good decks for newer Legacy players would be things like UR Delver, Maverick, Sneak and Show, or Death and Taxes. Avoid Miracles or combo decks like Elves or Storm unless you can get a lot of practice in.
Gives advice, plays burn in legacy

Even worse: Plays burn in legacy with a deck that has so much shiny its pricetag rivals a lot of other Legacy decks.

Posted: **Thu Dec 04, 2014 7:34 pm**

Posted: **Thu Dec 04, 2014 7:39 pm**

I have been testing Cruise Burn as well. It seems like it might be a viable option. Cruise won me quite a few games that I would have lost if they were the Lava Spikes they replaced.

Posted: **Thu Dec 04, 2014 8:45 pm**

I have all shiny burn together, but I want my team to have a shot at winning.

MUD top 8'd the last GP, so it can't be horrible.

If I'm going to invest a tonne in legacy, I want to build a deck that fits the criteria above.

Posted: **Thu Dec 04, 2014 8:50 pm**

Legacy is a format where deck familiarity counts for an awful lot. Playing a deck you know is more important than all but the most extreme meta calls. D&T and Maverick are pretty well positioned right now. Delver is always an option and I am sure you will remember how to use a Bolt.

Posted: **Thu Dec 04, 2014 9:45 pm**

None of those decks really appeal to me.

Is Deadguy Ale still a deck?

Posted: **Thu Dec 04, 2014 9:49 pm**

It might be but I haven't seen it do anything in the last few months.

Posted: **Thu Dec 04, 2014 10:41 pm**

None of those decks really appeal to me.

Is Deadguy Ale still a deck?

Jund?

Posted: **Thu Dec 04, 2014 10:43 pm**

Is it funny simply because it makes fun of mtgs posters? Because otherwise...
you're a dunce

Coming from you this is a compliment.

Posted: **Thu Dec 04, 2014 11:47 pm**

Did anyone ever work out a Cabal Therapy / Young Pyromancer deck?

Posted: **Thu Dec 04, 2014 11:55 pm**

Here, ya go

I'm still waiting on the young pyromancer/punishing fire deck

Posted: **Fri Dec 05, 2014 12:18 am**

LOL that deck
God I need to get into legacy

Posted: **Fri Dec 05, 2014 12:31 am**

Just another blue deck

Posted: **Fri Dec 05, 2014 12:43 am**

Has Mardu Bombardment done anything recently?

Posted: **Fri Dec 05, 2014 12:44 am**

None of those decks really appeal to me.

Is Deadguy Ale still a deck?

Black is not good anymore in midrange decks (jund,deadguy), since discard spells get crippled by treasure cruise.
The only way to play black is to pair it with blue or play fast combo.

Posted: **Fri Dec 05, 2014 12:51 am**

This?

[deck]Creatures:16
4 Blood Artist
4 Bloodghast
4 Dark Confidant
4 Young Pyromancer

Spells:24
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Faithless Looting
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Thoughtseize
1 Tragic Slip
3 Goblin Bombardment
4 Lingering Souls

Lands:20
4 Arid Mesa
4 Badlands
4 Bloodstained Mire
4 Marsh Flats
2 Scrubland
2 Swamp[/deck]

Posted: **Fri Dec 05, 2014 2:28 am**

This?

[deck]Creatures:16
4 Blood Artist
4 Bloodghast
4 Dark Confidant
4 Young Pyromancer

Spells:24
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Faithless Looting
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Thoughtseize
1 Tragic Slip
3 Goblin Bombardment
4 Lingering Souls

Lands:20
4 Arid Mesa
4 Badlands
4 Bloodstained Mire
4 Marsh Flats
2 Scrubland
2 Swamp[/deck]

List only has 4 currently playable creatures.

Posted: **Fri Dec 05, 2014 3:05 am**

Pretty sure YP$ and Bob are both ok...

Christ I just wish that there was a deck I would enjoy that was viable.

Posted: **Fri Dec 05, 2014 3:11 am**

In a list like that Bob may be. But he's getting a lot of splash hate and your life total is getting pressured faster now.

Posted: **Fri Dec 05, 2014 3:30 am**

Has Mardu Bombardment done anything recently?

No, the deck has always been super meh at best usually, more so since rtr

Posted: **Fri Dec 05, 2014 3:32 am**

None of those decks really appeal to me.

Is Deadguy Ale still a deck?

Black is not good anymore in midrange decks (jund,deadguy), since discard spells get crippled by treasure cruise.
The only way to play black is to pair it with blue or play fast combo.

Jund is okay, punishing fire is still really strong against small dudes, moreso when there is less goyf and mongoose to worry about

Posted: **Fri Dec 05, 2014 3:40 am**

Just another blue deck

Why are you so averse to the color blue? There's only five colors to chose from, and ignoring one of them (the best one of them, even) severely limits your options as a competitive player.

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