Dies to Removal

Love the Princess Bride reference.

But really, I think Stardust has been pretty generous on the extensions already. He gave us an extra 72 hours when I showed up. We've got 15 pages of "discussion" going and not one solid consensus on who to lynch. I'm really thinking at this point the odds are just against us for lynching the right dude.

Dechs are you scum?

Totes scum. Why else would I say we don't need an extension?

Seriously, rez, you know I'm with you. I'm voting on your wagon, helping us get to the point of an actual lynch. I made a huge case for dissolving the failed wagon on Red. I'm doing all I can here.

I'm just a total newb. I feel like the odds are against us because we're just randomly getting on the biggest wagon and it's more likely to be a townie than a scummy.

Totally not random.

The fact that you would sarcastically say you were scum and feel like my wagon is random Is suspect as fuck.

fos: dechs kaison

Also I'm totally gonna artifice people for the next couple hours

I explained why I felt it was random back a few posts. For me, it was down to a coin toss between rcw and LMD. I decided to go with you on LMD. It still feels random.

Also, that's one hell of a trap.

"Are you scum?"
"No."
"Well of course you'd deny it!"

or

"Are you scum?"
"Totes am."
"Your sarcasm proves it!"

549 you say lmd and rcw are equally scummy to you.

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I would expect town to say no. I would expect scum to say no. I would expect scum to say "yeah /sarcasm"

Yeah, but when you lynch the wrong dude, you're playing towards the scum's win condition.

Risk you take, if you constantly no lynch, than scum can kill whoever they want, if the town lynches and observes flips, it's much harder for them to do so and further narrows who could be scum

Also I'm fairly certain longer games favor scum but I'll let someone else explain that one, cause I forget the theory why,

So, third lesson I've had playing mafia: No sarcasm.

Here I thought you liked jokes, going to the Princess Bride thing (regardless of what happens, that made my day, thank you).

Sorry. I joked, then immediately proceeded to lay out a few good reasons why you shouldn't think I was scum. My bad.

Sarcasm is fine , just don't make that the only thing you do

Yeah, but when you lynch the wrong dude, you're playing towards the scum's win condition.

Risk you take, if you constantly no lynch, than scum can kill whoever they want, if the town lynches and observes flips, it's much harder for them to do so and further narrows who could be scum

Also I'm fairly certain longer games favor scum but I'll let someone else explain that one, cause I forget the theory why,

Ok, that makes sense. Never lynch and obviously the town will lose. You have to lynch someone, but this whole first day with so damn little to go on
thing just makes me skittish. I'm on the wagon because I'm trusting you guys anyway. I'm just not feeling great about it.

Sarcasm is fine , just don't make that the only thing you do

It hardly is the only thing I do. I did it once. One damn line, and I even used language I never do.

Look over my posts. I've put a lot out there, and not an ounce has been sarcasm, save that one reply to rez. I just couldn't believe he'd come out and ask bluntly like that and expect a serious reply, so I didn't give him one. I was incredulous.

I came out here and launched a huge defense of Red. I believe he's a townie and I stuck my neck out there to save his ass because of it. Either we're both townies or we're scum buddies and I'm doing a terrible job of making my buddying subtle.

If I can do anything more to prove I'm a townie, then I don't know what it could be.

@Rez, you are being to aggsive in wanting to lynch LMD. I vilimantly want to lynch Red, but jumping up and down demanding votes is not the way of town. I noticed you failed to post your question(s) I asked you to and it does not sit well with me. According to time stamps, LMD asked you first why you did not vote LMD the first time you had a gut feel he was scum. WHY? I don't know if you have a vendetta or are just bouting, but the demands to answer questions sound like you are pushing the vote with "answer my questions damnit". My gut says you are tunneling as you have been looking for scum tells and catching bad claims/points just as I have been.

Unvote for now while I explain my vote.

Since I can't get votes on Red with evidence alone; Jack is my next best target. He has asked for votes without any opinion as to why. My gut says he is taking adavantage of the Rez v. LMD fight.
That would be the scum play to make and the blantent attempt sounds like first time scum. Jack has been clearly lurking and everyone seems to be ignoring this. While everyone is bloodthirsty, he has quietly asked to create a wagon. Please explain yourself Jack and give me solid reasons with quoted posts why LMD should be lynched. No summeries please.

VOTE JACK

I responded to him

Quote the post please so I can clear you.

I hate deadlines.

Unvote
Vote LMD

Dechs is definitely town.
Wraith should save his vote on me for tomorrow, no matter how strong his convictions are. The only possible lynches at this point in the day are raspy and LMD.

I'm still more lean on raspy, but seems like that LMD is the only viable lynch option.

Detective Wraith, answer this: why are you still questioning my activity spike, even though I explained it here -> viewtopic.php?p=224173#p224173
while at the same time managing to absolutely ignore the way raspy and ham COMPLETELY DISAPPEARED after my case on them?

I'm starting to think this is deliberate.

@Everybody:
I give you two hours to go back to raspy, otherwise my vote will stay on the biggest wagon (LMD at the moment).

Act as you please.

Yes. Strategic voting. Voting for you anyone other than LMD is now just voting no lynch.

Yes. Strategic voting. Voting for you anyone other than LMD is now just voting no lynch.

Newb question: So, anyone not voting LMD become prime scum suspects?

At the moment it's either lynching him or lynching nobody (I hope to see people hopping on raspy's wagon, but that seems quite unlikely given the short time span).
Unwillingness to lynch him is not by any means an automatic scumtell, but can be seen as such if the player is acting randomly / seeing LMD as suspect but won't vote him anyway (-> distancing + trying to go for no lynch anyway) and the such.

It'd be an hint, not evidence.

(come on, ask me WHO is the one who stated that would be voting for LMD, but recently decided to change his vote from a dead wagon to another dead wagon)

Unvote

Vote: RCW

I iso'd his posts and it's nothing but questions and promises of content. lets get this done

Detective Wraith, answer this: why are you still questioning my activity spike, even though I explained it here -> viewtopic.php?p=224173#p224173
while at the same time managing to absolutely ignore the way raspy and ham COMPLETELY DISAPPEARED after my case on them?

I'm starting to think this is deliberate.

In past game with Fire and Ice, you were fairly quiet and quickly became more active. I think you are scum again this game as you quickly jumped in with InflateablePie as soon as he offered help.

I don't get Ham, but he has not made any nasty scum tells as you and others have. His absence is a problem as well
and I can't explain that at all. Same goes for RCW. He should have just answered the question instead of put it off. Problem is that many others have not been answering questions from players. Only me, Iamopen2, Ham, and weakly you have been answering questions or requests. InflateablePie has been asked questions as well, but he has been the asker more often. I am not ignoring anyone as you can check my posts to InflateablePie that RCW needs to answer his questions. You missed that big time. As to your comment of being deliberate, do I have to vote them to make you happy without any scum tells to say so? Do I need to vote people without any rational to support them? That's all I have seen from you and Jack. Why are you voting RCW? Why are you voting LMD now? I want a real reason, not cause its the best choice. I gave very clear reasons for my votes, why not you?

@Jack, answer my damn questions/requests or just say you won't.

Town is so stupid this game in letting blind votes get passes for town.

n@Iamopen2, what is "Iso'd"? I hate that guy and if anyone is being pushy or calling me crazy; it's red who being an "Iso".

Yes. Strategic voting. Voting for you anyone other than LMD is now just voting no lynch.

Newb question: So, anyone not voting LMD become prime scum suspects?

Apparently.

If he roles town; the wagon riders should be grilled.

Wraith: I will not do a PBPA on LMD today. I'm really sick, and I doubt it would do much to convince anyone. It's been said multiple times that any lynch is better than no lynch day 1. When I first voted LMD, I did so because I hadn't made much of a contribution to the game, and wanted to do something. However, as time went on, the wisdom of my vote kept improving.

WRAITH: why won't you vote LMD? What makes a no-lynch seem more appealing?

Yes. Strategic voting. Voting for you anyone other than LMD is now just voting no lynch.

Newb question: So, anyone not voting LMD become prime scum suspects?

Apparently.

If he roles town; the wagon riders should be grilled.

Is that why you won't vote him? Are you just afraid of
being wrong?

This is mafia, where you get hanged for being wrong. Who wouldn't be afraid?

I am. But I'm trusting the "mob mentality" so to speak of mis-lynch is better than no-lynch.

That said, Wraith, stop waffling. We've got less than two hours. Put your vote on the goddamn wagon that has traction if you're anywhere near town oriented.

imopen just voted no-lynch. Way to be a team player.

If this goes through as a no-lynch, I am grilling both of you until I hang or get NK'd. You're active at the deadline, but not voting for a lynch. At least rcw and Murphy have the excuse of "I'm no where near a computer."

Yes. Strategic voting. Voting for you anyone other than LMD is now just voting no lynch.

Newb question: So, anyone not voting LMD become prime scum suspects?

Apparently.

If he roles town; the wagon riders should be grilled.

Is that why you won't vote him? Are you just afraid of being wrong?

You ask me a question and won't answer mine. sigh...It is a good question regardless.

My read on him is null. You guys are voting him without giving a reason for it. Show me a reason and I will consider it. That's all I ask. Same goes for RCW. I have been wrong many times (worst was in Durp mafia), but voting without a reason with a group is not how I play. In past games I have made this clear with saying I won't join bandwagons without evidence and/or demand votes for the creation of a wagon without first revealing my evidence for that vote. That is how town should act as it creates a history for town to follow.

In past game with Fire and Ice, you were fairly quiet and quickly became more active.

Ok, you're either extra-tunneling or scum as hell - in F&I I've IMMEDIATELY started by being extra active.
But I can understand that in the first few days - THE ONES BEFORE I SUBBED IN - I was "fairly quiet".

This is mafia, where you get hanged for being wrong. Who wouldn't be afraid?

I am. But I'm trusting the "mob mentality" so to speak of mis-lynch is better than no-lynch.

That said, Wraith, stop waffling. We've got less than two hours. Put your vote on the goddamn wagon that has traction if you're anywhere near town oriented.

Being wrong =\= being scummy

Making statements like that usually is scummy, look up false dichotomy

Unvote
Vote rcwraspy

Dechs be good and hope on the proper wagon, we can still make this.