[Fedoras of Salvation] - White Knights ITT

[zemanjaski]

What do you think of tron in pauper? I was playing against freedom with it and liked it.

Which version? I like the Green and izzet versions, but TBH I haven't seen much of them so I am no expert.

[LP, of the Fires]

glad I'm not the only one that thought brainstorm looked awkward in a format without fetches(lol wilds).

[DarthStabber]

Yeah, I agree with everything you've said. The issue is that at some point your competent opponent resolves a x/2 flier and all your hard work is undone.

And yeah, the Ninja version is actually awful. I like your UB version or just the straight 23-4 land version with Mulldrifter and Spire Golem as the best MUC variants.

Also, why the fuck do people play Brainstorm in Pauper? It is terrible. Preordain is the best, Ponder second (Ponder really wants a shuffle effect). Brainstorm is awful in Pauper; all of its drawbacks are amplified by the low power of the format - Brainstorm is at its best when it is getting rid of an extra Emrakul or finding your storm win-con; not when it is finding you an extra counterspell.

I think people
play brainstorm in everything in which it's legal as a reflex. I have used it in pauper decks in the past, but only in decks with several shuffle effects (usually terramorphic expanse at a minimum). In legacy brainstorm is so good that the only reason it isn't banned is because everyone loves it too much.

The x/2 flier problem is kinda dealt with by peppersmoke, but that's not a reliable solution (and everytime I play the deck I am reminded about how conservative I have to be with peppersmoke).

[zemanjaski]

I like that your version can at least attempt to handle an x/2 flier. I win 90% of my games vs MUC because I resolve a Skyfisher and they literally have no cards in their deck that beat it.

[RedNihilist]

Good news: my father won't need chemotherapy.
He still can't run / drive / work / drink alcohol / drink cold beverages / eat most of the good things in this world, yet this shit seems to be over.

[zemanjaski]

[DarthStabber]

I'm not really running MUC though, i'm running tribal aggro. Trying to play it as MUC preboard is a recipe for disaster, but postboard it can do it can do a pretty good impression (I'm very surprised that more people aren't using exclude, that card is fantastic).

[zemanjaski]

Yeah exclude is good / great. Too many people are on Spellstutter, Cloud of Faeries / Frostburn Weird, all of which are terrible in the format. Obviously, the faeires are better in your deck because you're tribal.

I'd want something like:
4 Delver of Secrets
4 Mulldrifter
4 Spire Golem

2 Serrated Arrows

4 Ponder
4 Preordain
4 Gush
4 Think Twice
4 Counterspell
2 Exclude
2 Condescend

18 Island
4 Haunted Fengraf (sp?)

Basically, you don't need a million counterspells; just enough to keep your opponent off balance. You can win by just drawing a million cards anyway.

[Kazekirimaru]

Good news: my father won't need chemotherapy.
He still can't run / drive / work / drink alcohol / drink cold beverages / eat most of the good things in this world, yet this shit seems to be over.

Yay to no chemo, boo to everything after that.

Glad he's okay, though.

[DarthStabber]

Frostburn is not terrible in pauper, people just play it poorly and too often. I would often rather run kraken hatchling in the same slot in a MUC shell, you would need a deck that wants to capitalize on frostburn's flexibility to make it preferable over kracken. It would be decent in a red control deck, but honestly given how people tend to build in pauper I find it unlikely for MRC to take off, especially given the popularity of turbofog and the fact that it will eat a theoretical red control especially post board (all it has to do is resolve and protect jace's erasure from REB). Outside of that I could see frosty making himself decent in a midrange deck. Either way he doesn't have a home in the meta currently, but there is room to innovate in a deck he'd be good in.

[LP, of the Fires]

Z, I'll try to give you your feedback in the morning, my time, or in about 10 hours.

[zemanjaski]

UR Control could be a thing I guess, but you need very good reasons to play UR over UB in any format. UB is just a much more natural pairing to exaggerate blue's strength.

Mmm Pauper UB Teachings?? Brew time.

[zemanjaski]

NP my deadline isn't for ~ 36 hours.

[LP, of the Fires]

TECHINGS IS A COMMON?

Must play UB control!

[zemanjaski]

Preordain
Trinket Mage
Mulldtifter
Forbidden Alchemy
Think Twice

Trinket Mage is the definitive Zem value card.

[DarthStabber]

I was fiddling around with UB teachings a while back, without the high power instants and flash critters it gets to be a bit under whelming. Forbidden alchemy is better in the slot unless you really want to try to build a deck full of magic bullets. Agony warp, soul manipulation, and recoil are all tons of fun though, and are tutorable if you do decide to run teachings.

[zemanjaski]

Dimir Signet is a common...

[F.I.A]

Three years working, and I still need to take exams as a necessary evil. The one I just took is based on this.
Land Tax

My whole body is sore and my mental is drained.

[Helios]

Glad to hear the news about your dad, Red! That's really excellent.

[windstrider]

Good news: my father won't need chemotherapy.
He still can't run / drive / work / drink alcohol / drink cold beverages / eat most of the good things in this world, yet this shit seems to be over.

That is very good news, red!

[Purp]

Serious question for my married RedBros... How soon into dating your wife did you realize she was the one for you?

[redthirst]

Serious question for my married RedBros... How soon into dating your wife did you realize she was the one for you?

About 6 months.

Another 3 years down the line and I realized my previous realization was totally fucked.

[DocLawless]

Serious question for my married RedBros... How soon into dating your wife did you realize she was the one for you?

Seven years. But after seven years, the realization was more like "well, I may as well..." Nothing changed but the paperwork.

[Valdarith]

About a month.

I'm not joking.

[zemanjaski]

Im getting there after 9 months.

[redthirst]

Put a baby in her, huh?

[Kazekirimaru]

Don't get married.

[TubeHunter]

Heh

[Elricity]

Serious question for my married RedBros... How soon into dating your wife did you realize she was the one for you?

First month in but I waffled back and forth on marriage for about 2 years while things settled out.

[zemanjaski]

Put a baby in her, huh?

Ha!

Not yet.

[DarthStabber]

Kaze is now tom lykis.

[Helios]

I recommend living together before you actually get married. Most folks I know disagree with that on principle, but I've known a lot of couples who wouldn't have gotten married had they done so. I almost made the mistake of getting engaged, but after we lived together for six months I realized it wasn't the right choice.

[Purp]

I recommend living together before you actually get married. Most folks I know disagree with that on principle, but I've known a lot of couples who wouldn't have gotten married had they done so. I almost made the mistake of getting engaged, but after we lived together for six months I realized it wasn't the right choice.

Interesting post Helios. You're right that most people think negatively of it. I always wonder about this!

[Calamity]

I have to say I don't intend to get married (marriage/divorce/family law is FUCKED in the US, can't speak for anywhere else) but it might just be me enjoying being single after getting out of an almost 2 year relationship that went downhill the last couple months.

Of course if I met the right girl that would all change

[DroppinSuga]

Taking advice on women from the men of FoS is probably not a good idea.

[Kazekirimaru]

Or just don't get married.

[DroppinSuga]

Or just don't get married.

This is called "bitter".

[redthirst]

I think living together certainly helps, but I would honestly recommend seeing a couple's therapist before taking your vows.

I lived with my ex for about 18 months before we got married and it didn't take long after for her to completely change her personality. The problem was that she wanted to get married, but not necessarily be married - to her the big church wedding was the prize at the end, not a symbol of a new beginning like it should be. So after we got married she lost all incentive to hide the crazy shit that she'd kept tight wraps on since I'd known her.

Later on, when we went to a therapist because neither of us were particularly happy with the other, it took all of an hour for him to see through her BS and call her out on it.

I don't know that going to see the therapist before we got married would have changed my mind, but it couldn't have hurt and I
imagine, if nothing else, I'd have figured out that she was totally nuts a good bit sooner.

Taking advice on women from the men of FoS is probably not a good idea.

Some people have to learn by peeing on the electric fence... and, collectively, we've pissed all over that fucker.

Besides, most of us don't seem to have too much trouble with present relationships.

[Valdarith]

Marriage is an attitude. Too many people get this notion that they can just back out of it when the first thing they don't like happens and it's bullshit. People are so afraid of committment these days and it's no wonder the divorce rate is so high. The vows are taken for a reason. May as well leave out "for better or worse" if you don't even mean it.

[Kazekirimaru]

We live in an age where it is perfectly acceptable(and expected!) that if you don't like something you drop it like a stone instead of trying to fix it.