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Echoing Truth is no joke. Is there enough upside to it vs. Vapor Snag or Repulse?
You might want to look into a more aggro version with Phantasmal Bear and less land + Gitaxian Probe (no Ninja or Faeries though, they're awful).
They're seriously awful; I just 2-0'd a Mono U Ninja's player where I landed a Turn 3 Spire Golem both games and he proceeded to play out 3-4 more creatures that couldn't rumble with it. Was sad.
You might want to look into a more aggro version with Phantasmal Bear and less land + Gitaxian Probe (no Ninja or Faeries though, they're awful).
They're seriously awful; I just 2-0'd a Mono U Ninja's player where I landed a Turn 3 Spire Golem both games and he proceeded to play out 3-4 more creatures that couldn't rumble with it. Was sad.
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These are the games that I actually hate playing, because we both just sit on board staring at each other and the clock runs out. Hence Echoing Truth.Echoing Truth is no joke. Is there enough upside to it vs. Vapor Snag or Repulse?
You might want to look into a more aggro version with Phantasmal Bear and less land + Gitaxian Probe (no Ninja or Faeries though, they're awful).
They're seriously awful; I just 2-0'd a Mono U Ninja's player where I landed a Turn 3 Spire Golem both games and he proceeded to play out 3-4 more creatures that couldn't rumble with it. Was sad.
I like the Trespassing Souleater for the same reason.
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Haha I love those games because I board out my Delvers!
2-0 vs Chris Davis in the finals of an 8 man; he was recording another burn video. The plan of bringing in 4 Hydroblast + 4 Duress for 2 Essence Scatter, 4 Exclude, 2 Repeal worked well, Piracy Charm is basically Duress.
2-0 vs Chris Davis in the finals of an 8 man; he was recording another burn video. The plan of bringing in 4 Hydroblast + 4 Duress for 2 Essence Scatter, 4 Exclude, 2 Repeal worked well, Piracy Charm is basically Duress.
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Faeries are just fine if you are willing to swing full aggro/tempo/blue skies, it's when you go faerie control that you get into trouble.You might want to look into a more aggro version with Phantasmal Bear and less land + Gitaxian Probe (no Ninja or Faeries though, they're awful).
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Ephemeron was a bit meh in practice, probably because it's only a singleton. My strategy has been to resolve a Golem then loop Arrows with Repeal until my opponent wants to kill himself.
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Halimar Watchkeep for the mirror? Sigh.
Tresspassing Souleater / Deathcult Rogue / Rootwater Commando is probably the best you'll get. I have wracked my brains for an easy way to crush the mirror, and without a complete SB overhaul there isn't.
Tresspassing Souleater / Deathcult Rogue / Rootwater Commando is probably the best you'll get. I have wracked my brains for an easy way to crush the mirror, and without a complete SB overhaul there isn't.
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Deathcult Rogue is the best option. Solved!
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Going to try out some other sideboard ideas. So much work to do! Main 60 is perfect though.
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[deck=The_Apologist's MUC]Lands 22
19 Island
3 Quicksand
Spells 28
4 Counterspell
4 Deprive
4 Exclude
2 Miscalculation
2 Oona's Grace
4 Preordain
2 Prohibit
2 Repeal
4 Think Twice
Creatures 10
4 Delver of Secrets
2 Errant Ephemeron
4 Spire Golem
Sideboard 15
2 Annul
2 Curfew
2 Curse of the Bloody Tome
2 Dispel
3 Piracy Charm
2 Serrated Arrows
2 Spell Pierce[/deck]
Anti-MUC MUC deck
19 Island
3 Quicksand
Spells 28
4 Counterspell
4 Deprive
4 Exclude
2 Miscalculation
2 Oona's Grace
4 Preordain
2 Prohibit
2 Repeal
4 Think Twice
Creatures 10
4 Delver of Secrets
2 Errant Ephemeron
4 Spire Golem
Sideboard 15
2 Annul
2 Curfew
2 Curse of the Bloody Tome
2 Dispel
3 Piracy Charm
2 Serrated Arrows
2 Spell Pierce[/deck]
Anti-MUC MUC deck
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Deathcult Rogue is the real fuckin' deal. Had some nasty board stall going with a bunch of Spire Golems and Delvers vs. a Faeries deck, then Rogue came down and clocked him ezpz.
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Yeah that will definitely do it! Curse of the Bloody Tome is so good against MBC and MUC, maybe that is the solution.[deck=The_Apologist's MUC]Lands 22
19 Island
3 Quicksand
Spells 28
4 Counterspell
4 Deprive
4 Exclude
2 Miscalculation
2 Oona's Grace
4 Preordain
2 Prohibit
2 Repeal
4 Think Twice
Creatures 10
4 Delver of Secrets
2 Errant Ephemeron
4 Spire Golem
Sideboard 15
2 Annul
2 Curfew
2 Curse of the Bloody Tome
2 Dispel
3 Piracy Charm
2 Serrated Arrows
2 Spell Pierce[/deck]
Anti-MUC MUC deck
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Might just go back to Curse of Chains in the board; good in the mirror for Spire Golem; if they bounce their own guy with Snap you can counter it on the way back down; and it helps vs. Affinity.
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[deck]My current working list[/deck]
Things to do:
# Consider the Muddle the Mixture package, including Echoing Truth, Vedalken Aethermage, Jace's Erasure, etc.
# Remove Piracy Charm. I know James likes the card a lot, and I understand why it's in the deck, it has just not been that incredible for me. I'd probably rather just have it be Dispel or Negate. The matchups I normally board in Piracy Charm for (burn and the mirror) I could see more value in just having more countermagic than making them discard the spell of their
choice.
# Find room for Echoing Truth. Card is really good against the aggro decks. Also not bad in the faeries matchup as it can set you up for a potentially lethal swing.
Things to do:
# Consider the Muddle the Mixture package, including Echoing Truth, Vedalken Aethermage, Jace's Erasure, etc.
# Remove Piracy Charm. I know James likes the card a lot, and I understand why it's in the deck, it has just not been that incredible for me. I'd probably rather just have it be Dispel or Negate. The matchups I normally board in Piracy Charm for (burn and the mirror) I could see more value in just having more countermagic than making them discard the spell of their
choice.
# Find room for Echoing Truth. Card is really good against the aggro decks. Also not bad in the faeries matchup as it can set you up for a potentially lethal swing.
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Piracy Charm is also for Faeries / Stompy / Goblins. If you're not facing those then 4 Dispel will be better.
I'm going to give a lot of though to this Muddle Package, it seems gross.
I'm going to give a lot of though to this Muddle Package, it seems gross.
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I've liked Piracy Charm, and I bring it in vs Faeries, MBC and Burn. It's annoying, but Piracy Charm + Quicksand on an x/3 isn't the worst. I often board Piracy Charm in for Repeal against decks with ETB creatures.
The all-star has been Serrated Arrows, it clawed me back out of a nasty mirror match board stall twice this morning.
The all-star has been Serrated Arrows, it clawed me back out of a nasty mirror match board stall twice this morning.
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I didn't buy them yet, I was going to wait until I went into the green to do so. I've been noticing that I might need them to get there, though.I've liked Piracy Charm, and I bring it in vs Faeries, MBC and Burn.
The all-star has been Serrated Arrows, it clawed me back out of a nasty mirror match board stall.
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Muddle the Mixture can search out Into the Roil which is worse in small creature matchups but better at resetting Spire Golems and Serrated Arrows.
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Omenspeaker is a worse Sea Gate Oracle, but comes down a turn earlier and is Muddleable.
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Settled on 74 of 75. Won another 8-man.
[deck]Pauper MUC[/deck]
Creatures
4 Delver of Secrets
2 Sea Gate Oracle
4 Spire Golem
Instants
4 Counterspell
4 Deprive
2 Essence Scatter
4 Exclude
2 Oona's Grace
4 Repeal
4 Think Twice
Sorceries
4 Preordain
Lands
19 Island
3 Quicksand
Sideboard
2 Curse of Chains
4 Hydroblast
4 Piracy Charm
2 Sea Gate Oracle
2 Serrated Arrows
[/deck]
1 slot left.
Matchups
Great (65%+)
- Mono Black (-4 Repeal; +2 SGO, +2 Arrows)
- UB Trinket (ibid)
- Kilnclops (-4 Delver, -2 SGO, +2 Curse of Chains, +4 Hydroblast)
- RUG Tron (-4 Repeal, +4 Hydroblast)
- any combo deck (-4 Repeal, +4 Piracy Charm, usually)
Good (55%+)
- Stompy (-4 Delver, -4 Deprive, +4 Piracy
Charm, +2 SGO, +2 Serrated Arrows)
- White Weenie (ibid)
- MUC Mirror (-4 Delver, -2 SGO; +4 Piracy Charm, +2 Serrated Arrows)
Fair
- Ninja Delver (ibid)
- Hexproof (-2 Deprive, +2 SGO)
Poor
- Affinity; still trying different ideas, mostly curse of Chains / Hydroblast.
I want to try out Curse of Chains in the mirror as well as a cheap answer to Spire Golem / Stormbound Geist.
Final slot still open for discussion; I need to go look at some of the sideboard plans from other players on mtgo.
[deck]Pauper MUC[/deck]
Creatures
4 Delver of Secrets
2 Sea Gate Oracle
4 Spire Golem
Instants
4 Counterspell
4 Deprive
2 Essence Scatter
4 Exclude
2 Oona's Grace
4 Repeal
4 Think Twice
Sorceries
4 Preordain
Lands
19 Island
3 Quicksand
Sideboard
2 Curse of Chains
4 Hydroblast
4 Piracy Charm
2 Sea Gate Oracle
2 Serrated Arrows
[/deck]
1 slot left.
Matchups
Great (65%+)
- Mono Black (-4 Repeal; +2 SGO, +2 Arrows)
- UB Trinket (ibid)
- Kilnclops (-4 Delver, -2 SGO, +2 Curse of Chains, +4 Hydroblast)
- RUG Tron (-4 Repeal, +4 Hydroblast)
- any combo deck (-4 Repeal, +4 Piracy Charm, usually)
Good (55%+)
- Stompy (-4 Delver, -4 Deprive, +4 Piracy
Charm, +2 SGO, +2 Serrated Arrows)
- White Weenie (ibid)
- MUC Mirror (-4 Delver, -2 SGO; +4 Piracy Charm, +2 Serrated Arrows)
Fair
- Ninja Delver (ibid)
- Hexproof (-2 Deprive, +2 SGO)
Poor
- Affinity; still trying different ideas, mostly curse of Chains / Hydroblast.
I want to try out Curse of Chains in the mirror as well as a cheap answer to Spire Golem / Stormbound Geist.
Final slot still open for discussion; I need to go look at some of the sideboard plans from other players on mtgo.
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Well, if I only need the card for Affinity, maybe I just want Steel Sabotage.
Fuck I hate Affinity.
Fuck I hate Affinity.
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[deck]Updated sideboard[/deck]
Not worth trying to beat Affinity; so I've made every other matchup as good as possible.
Ill try to explain all the choices on stream.
Not worth trying to beat Affinity; so I've made every other matchup as good as possible.
Ill try to explain all the choices on stream.
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