I'm glad you love the new manabase so much zem .... But i'm not glad I'll have to acquire other scrylands
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Man, what the fuck one-drops had you so freaked out that you had to spend your whole hand on taking them out?Well, maybe i just had bad luck , but i had serious problems when he flooded he board early (like three one drops in the first two turns). I was forced to use my cheap removal spells on them, including chained to the rocks, then i had no answer to desecration demon. Just variance i guess , because i understand we have all the tools to fight aggro (searing blood , lifegain, recurring threats to outclass them) and i'm sure young pyromancer will improve the matchup. I just think that if i see a lot of swarm decks i'll slam a couple anger of the gods in side to have free wins.
I'm glad you love the new manabase so much zem .... But i'm not glad I'll have to acquire other scrylands
B Aggro should be a cake walk, I played against Todd Anderson today running a B Aggro list - he was on play casting his creature being all Todd like, I proceed to cast Searing blood twice... he proceeds to snap concede....
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So this:Any argument for dropping one Mutavault and adding another copy of Temple of Malice? With the mana base just a bit tighter after sideboarding, one extra black source could be a potential game changer. Ofc, this deck loves scry and I love it too. Fixing draws imba.
Sad to see AZ go but trading aggression for consistency is usually a favorable trade. I guess that necromancer with have to dodge someone else's mace now...
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Cheers. I'll be sleeving this up as well for an LGS tournament tonight (very competitive LGS, several regular proSo this:
[deck]
1 Boros Guildgate
8 Mountain
3 Mutavault
4 Sacred Foundry
2 Temple of Malice
1 Temple of Silence
4 Temple of Triumph
[/deck]
Doesn't look as pretty as all the 1-ofs![]()
Still, 19 red sources is much better than 18, so I think there is a reasonable argument for it; its a more conservative option than the 4th Mutavault, but we certainly agree that casting spells > manland; and there is some value beyond scry 1 thanks for the black mana being useful post board.
I'll make the switch and report back tomorrow night.
11 white sources is better than 10 white sources and an extra scry? I remember feeling a lot more comfortable with the addition of the 11th white source in the previous iteration of this deck in the third Boros Guildgate so this may indeed be a bit better. May still be worth testing to figure out if the one extra white source is better than scry and more access to black mana post board.Actually I doubt that Temple of Malice is better than the second Boros Guildgate, if we're making an argument for consistency.
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Point received.Ok, I have to ask again about wear // tear. If you're not running it for Bx to use the dual mode, what are you using it in that revoke or glare aren't obscenely better choices? The instant speed matters that much?
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You want it for Whip, Spear so they can't get life gain during an attack or push the extra damage through with Spear. There were times against B/W I had Revoke and they dropped a Whip and gained a shit load of life and it put me behind. I personally like the instant speed for such instances as that. It's a matter of personal preference and meta.Ok, I have to ask again about wear // tear. If you're not running it for Bx to use the dual mode, what are you using it in that revoke or glare aren't obscenely better choices? The instant speed matters that much?
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Anytime amigo.I'm all aboard the R/W Burn train!!! got all caught up on this thread.
Nothing to contribute yet but am testing in paper and some on cockatrice.
Will report as soon as I have something useful to say, for now, thanks everyone for the very valuable info and especially you Zem.
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I too prefer the 11th white source. It has slightly more value especially later in the game with the scry ability. Plus me personally, I have found myself short a white mana one too many times.So, there's a discussion to be had regarding 11th white source vs 4th Mutavault. Note that if we're on 11 white sources, that'll be Temple of Silence for value. My sideboard isn't as white heavy as it has been, but it still really affects sequencing to miss white early, so, though it is quite conservative, I prefer the 11th white source.
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I'm trying out both and am torn on the issue. I've never used the dual on wear // tear. Exiling isn't particularly relevant, (Xenagos, Erebos, and Thasa being exceptions but if I'm worried about exiling them I tend to be behind enough it doesn't matter) for revoke over wear // tear; and online I've been playing against Bx more than Esper or UW. The dual effect is relevant against Uw/U devotion as well and has been relevant for me, though only one side or another has mattered at any particular time in my games. IOk, I have to ask again about wear // tear. If you're not running it for Bx to use the dual mode, what are you using it in that revoke or glare aren't obscenely better choices? The instant speed matters that much?
Fair enough, I haven't played since Saturday. When I was playing, I always felt glare had a wider selection of matches it was useful. Then again, my rating isn't as high so I'm probably being paired with more white weenie players and such.I actually don't think that I have seen a Fiendslayer or Blind Obedience out of Esper in the last few days, which would make Wear // Tear overall better.
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