[Fedoras of Salvation] - White Knights ITT

[Valdarith]

The R/G deck isn't that bad, actually. It's exactly where I'd want to be if I were expecting aggressive decks in the new meta. Boros Reckoner, Ash Zealot, Flamespeaker, Domri...what's not to love?

[Lightning_Dolt]

My thoughts exactly DS.

[hamfactorial]

Can JOU be released on MTGO yet? I have a burning need to troll all these Storm/Ad Nauseam/Living End players with Eidolon of Rhetoric.

[Valdarith]

I want to troll everyone with Eidolon of the Great Revel.

[LP, of the Fires]

I can't imagine playing gruul without BTE.

[DroppinSuga]

gruul without BTE is crazy talk.

[Tyrael]

The R/G deck isn't that bad, actually. It's exactly where I'd want to be if I were expecting aggressive decks in the new meta. Boros Reckoner, Ash Zealot, Flamespeaker, Domri...what's not to love?

What I miss in his list:

Everflame Eidolon instead of Dragon Mantle (his mana base can easily handle it)
[card]Titan's Strength[/card]
Madcap Skills
[card]Armed // Dangerous[/card]
Burning-Tree Emissary
Fanatic of Xenagos

Domri and Reckoner are sideboard cards, they don't provide enough raw power in a wide range of matchups that warrants a spot in
the main deck (this deck wants to be fast and Reckoner may be powerful but it's certainly not fast)

[Purp]

I don't think Dragon Mantle and Everflame are the same at all.

[DroppinSuga]

Everflame Eidolon is not where you want to be.

[DarthStabber]

I'm not Emily's biggest fan, I understand the reason for not including her, but in this particular application the pros outweigh the con's. The problems are that she is a very high variance, and she is practically gift wrapping an additional CA if they are running verdict, drown, or anger. In a group aggro/midrange shell however those disadvantages seem to pale in comparison to her ability to generate tempo and to a lesser extent fix colors (if your opening grip has 2 mountains, emily, and a good green 2 drop she covers that case). Maybe he knows something we don't, and there is another reason he doesn't want her. I haven't played the deck, but I understand the trepidation, eschewing her the deck more reliable and less explosive.

[Tyrael]

I don't think Dragon Mantle and Everflame are the same at all.

zem said Everflame was ideal in a higher curve deck and this is one so yeah

[Kaitscralt]

the problem is that everflame eidolon isn't very good, and that's why he didn't play it

zem has a long, passionate love affair with fire breathers that underperform

[Kaitscralt]

dragon mantle sucks too

[DarthStabber]

I am interested in testing both, but having a fire breather post verdict seems like a great way to ensure games close out in your favor. I'm running a fairly low curve, but I really want to use some bestow to get around boardwipes, and the "effective haste" is really nice. Of course I have been playing more limited than standard, and bestow is the dog's bullocks in draft.

[LP, of the Fires]

I really don't think everflame is a good card. I'm not interested in paying mana to give a creature an ability for me to pay mana. It's not anywhere close to stonewright.

Dragon mantle is a card I believe in for niche decks, but nothing resembling any classic red deck. There's probably a really sweet block deck and/or 16-19 land sligh deck in standard, but outside of that, I wouldn't fuck with dragon mantle.

[LP, of the Fires]

Just play mogis' warhound.

[TBuzzsaw]

I'm trying out Naya Auras for the next few weeks and his list posting Mogis's Warhound in the deck looks interesting. I'm not going to play it but it's definitely a card I didn't even consider.

[LP, of the Fires]

Naya aura's is definitely a deck I'd consider running.

[zemanjaski]

I'm playing BUG Walkers in modern, deck is SWEET.

[LP, of the Fires]

Which walkers?

I'd guess lily, Jace architect(or beleren) garruk relentless?

[zemanjaski]

2 JAoT, 1 Garruk, 3 Liliana

[zemanjaski]

Beleren is really bad sadly; too weak in a creature format or they just bolt it and make him into Divination.

[zemanjaski]

Only got three test matches in, but I went 3-0 vs UWR, Jund and RUG Twin.

[zemanjaski]

JAoT is surprisingly good in modern.

[DroppinSuga]

I honestly didn't think JAoT would see much play in Modern.

[zemanjaski]

It doesn't, I just need a way to get ahead on cards.

[rcwraspy]

don't tell people yet. I dropped mine when they were at their high point to pick up eternal staples, hoping to pick them back up when they rotate. Let JAoT crash as far as he will before announcing that he is actually Modern playable.

[Kaitscralt]

GOOD PLAN

[Kaitscralt]

he's not

[Valdarith]

I might be able to play in a Standard win a box tomorrow. If I do, I have to pick a deck.

GR Monsters, RW Burn, or BR aggro? Hmm...

Of note, control decks and mono black are woefully underrepresented, and midrange decks tend to be overrepresented. There also tends to be a small smattering of red decks from the budgcaj players.

[BlakLanner]

3-1 tonight with UWR Midrange. Keranos is a beast. I have no idea how I will beat GR(x) Monsters though.

[Lightning_Dolt]

Most epic loss of my magic career...

I ultimated chandra and cast three warleaders helix and make NINE elementals off three young pyromancers and still lost.

How you ask? Courser of Kruphix in T3, T4, T5, and T6 by a guy who never misses a land drop. Then he cast new Ajani and they got big. I was able to swing for 22 at one point, but he was conveniently at 23 life.

I worked hard, but couldn't pull it off. Most epic game I've ever played.

[rcwraspy]

GOOD PLAN

i thought so too, considering I got fetches for them.

[rcwraspy]

he's not

I wasn't being entirely serious. I don't expect people to rush out and buy him up for Modern playability. That said, I would like to re-purchase a playset when he rotates. More from a collector's standpoint than anything. But I do think he's strong enough for fringe play in Modern.

[DarthStabber]

I really don't think everflame is a good card. I'm not interested in paying mana to give a creature an ability for me to pay mana. It's not anywhere close to stonewright.

My willingness to try everflame in standard is based solely on how often I will be facing boardwipes, because post verdict/anger/whatevs you still have a creature against an empty board, and you can dump all your mana at their face. As such I like against anything W/U/x, and it probably should be a sideboard card for those cases. I wouldn't not bestow it except in the most dire circumstances, because it's just not that good and dies when you look at it funny, but hit satyr hoplite with it on turn 3 and he swings for 3, and it puts your opponent in an awkward position
on their turn, they can kill the recipient and block the everflame next turn which will obviously trade with anything that blocks it. They can block the satyr, and the satyr may or may not live, but what ever blocks it is surely going to die, and you'll still have eidolon which will eat another kill spell, trade with another blocker, or let it eat a big chunk of their face. And all the while with these options your 2 drop is getting work done. The final option is verdict, which means they will take 1+your mountains on your turn. If you put it on an ash zealot is gets even scarier, because it will eat anything with toughness < 3+your mountains. I have only done some very preliminary testing, and he's still not as good as warhound, but you only get 4 warhounds. He isn't efficient, but makes things very awkward and is harder to play around than you think. The only caveats is hubris, which is a giant monkey wrench, but unless bestow.deck becomes a force in the metagame
no one is going to take it over cyclonic rift, unsummon, or voyage's end when they are looking at bounce spells.

[Alex]

I'm pretty disappointed in this clan. I basically agree with everything Madding has said, and that terrifies me.

Although I also love firebreathers, but only when they're good. Dragon Mantle and the Bestow guy are unplayable trash. Stonewright filled a gap in a deck. These cards do not.

[DerWille]

One of the LGS had a day of win-a-box tournament. I took the tournament 5-0 with Rw Burn going against R/b Minotaurs (2-1), Junk Control (Bx control variant, the guy is trying to find a deck that does well against me, 2-0), Br Control (2-0), Wu Weenies (2-0), and Bu Control (2-0).

I offered to split the box with the Bu Control guy, but he declined. So I got a box for $10.

Thanks for the list Zman.

[TBuzzsaw]

4-2 with Naya Hexproof. I was able to wreck Esper and American control, GR aggro, and GR Monsters. I lost both matches against mono white when one player had all the right cards while the second opponent had a really janky mono-white but was able to vomit has entire hand both games while I wasn't able to get any removal or lifegain. My tiebreakers literally dropped 9% in the last round knocking me out of the top 8 since all my opponents lost.

[DarthStabber]

I'm pretty disappointed in this clan. I basically agree with everything Madding has said, and that terrifies me.

Although I also love firebreathers, but only when they're good. Dragon Mantle and the Bestow guy are unplayable trash. Stonewright filled a gap in a deck. These cards do not.

Unplayable trash seems like a particularly harsh wording, he has a narrow hole of usefulness as warhounds 5 and 6, and as wrath retribution. I'm actually running some testing and against uw control and esper it has some serious play. Is it the end all be all autoinclude? No. I'm only saying I have found good returns in 1-2 specific matchups. How's about we keep the hystrionics to a minimum until we get better test data, and if it's utter crap after
testing I will happily conceed the point.

[Alex]

I'm pretty disappointed in this clan. I basically agree with everything Madding has said, and that terrifies me.

Although I also love firebreathers, but only when they're good. Dragon Mantle and the Bestow guy are unplayable trash. Stonewright filled a gap in a deck. These cards do not.

Unplayable trash seems like a particularly harsh wording, he has a narrow hole of usefulness as warhounds 5 and 6, and as wrath retribution. I'm actually running some testing and against uw control and esper it has some serious play. Is it the end all be all autoinclude? No. I'm only saying I have
found good returns in 1-2 specific matchups. How's about we keep the hystrionics to a minimum until we get better test data, and if it's utter crap after testing I will happily conceed the point.

I expect a formal apology, as well as a shrine erected in my honor once you realize that I'm right.

Card evaluation is very simple and consists of a list of a few questions:

1.) Does this card win you the game?
2.) Does this card support a strategy that wins the game?
3.) Is this card its own win condition?
4.) Does this card stop my opponent from winning the game?
5.) Does this deck fill a weak slot in my deck?

So let's answer for Dragon Mantle.

1.) No. Quality creatures win you the game. Not Firebreathing.
2.) No, strategies that want to play it aren't interested in having a lot of mana. Mana dumps are only useful at 23+ lands.
3.) No. It needs a good card to be effective.
4.) No, it doesn't give toughness and still requires a better creature.
5.) No. Stonewright
filled in the weak slot in the sligh deck, which was "I want to play another high-impact 1drop in my deck." It could be argued that it was better that Stromkirk Noble.