[Fedoras of Salvation] - White Knights ITT

[Mcdonalds]

Obviously you don't have to buy the most expensive deck and obviously the most expensive deck isn't always the best. I'm saying the prices are comparable.

Even if you compare decks at the middle of the price spectrum (for the love of god, one of you knows some terminology or jargon I can use in place of that, please tell me), say splinter twin and maverick, there is still a substantial difference, maverick is roughly 1k-1.5k and twin is 1k tops

And ones a tier 2 legacy deck and the other is a tier 1 modern deck

[Second Harkius]

The most expensive decks in legacy are like $3k, modern caps out at $1.5...maybe?

If you're going to spend $1500 on a deck, then $3000 isn't a stretch either. This is what I'm saying.

1500$ is 150 weeks worth of allowance from your mom and dad whereas 3000 is 300 weeks allowance from your mom and dad.

[Dechs Kaison]

Obviously you don't have to buy the most expensive deck and obviously the most expensive deck isn't always the best. I'm saying the prices are comparable.

Even if you compare decks at the middle of the price spectrum (for the love of god, one of you knows some terminology or jargon I can use in place of that, please tell me), say splinter twin and maverick, there is still a substantial difference, maverick is roughly 1k-1.5k and twin is 1k tops

And ones a tier 2 legacy deck and the other is a tier 1 modern deck

Again, I'm just not seeing a difference. You'
re looking at $1,000 to be seriously competitive. After that it's all the same order of magnitude, with Legacy being a more open format to cheaper alternatives.

[hamfactorial]

I've never understood why the format of a given PTQ is unrelated to the format of its associated Pro Tour. Same with GPTs.

I remember looking to get some byes for GP Sac (THS Sealed), but all the GPTs were constructed Standard.

[Dechs Kaison]

The most expensive decks in legacy are like $3k, modern caps out at $1.5...maybe?

If you're going to spend $1500 on a deck, then $3000 isn't a stretch either. This is what I'm saying.

1500$ is 150 weeks worth of allowance from your mom and dad whereas 3000 is 300 weeks allowance from your mom and dad.

Which means both formats are closed to the kid living off his parents. If
you have the cash to be competitive in Modern, you can afford Legacy.

What determines your choice of format is more what events you can find in your area and what kind of play you enjoy, not how much you have to spend.

[Second Harkius]

I like it when someone can't admit they're wrong and keeps posting like they're not wrong.

[Second Harkius]

I like it when someone can't admit they're wrong and keeps posting like they're not wrong.

This post was in no way related to the topic at hand even though it may seem that way.

[Mcdonalds]

Well yeah but the kid living off his parents also can't afford competitive magic in general

My point is, saying modern and legacy decks are of comparable price is flat wrong when legacy decks are twice as expensive at most points of the spectrum

[Mcdonalds]

I like it when someone can't admit they're wrong and keeps posting like they're not wrong.

This post was in no way related to the topic at hand even though it may seem that way.

I thought you were talking about admin again

[Second Harkius]

Back in the day redthirst used to be able to run the DTR trolls off his land but now there's nobody to man the shotgun.

[Dechs Kaison]

Well yeah but the kid living off his parents also can't afford competitive magic in general

My point is, saying modern and legacy decks are of comparable price is flat wrong when legacy decks are twice as expensive at most points of the spectrum

My point is, it doesn't matter that they're twice as expensive if they're all in the band of "too expensive to be a casual hobby but still not an expensive one."

[Mcdonalds]

....okay then

[Mcdonalds]

Back in the day redthirst used to be able to run the DTR trolls off his land but now there's nobody to man the shotgun.

He got distracted by thrillos posts and hasn't been seen since

[Second Harkius]

Back in the day redthirst used to be able to run the DTR trolls off his land but now there's nobody to man the shotgun.

He got distracted by thrillos posts and hasn't been seen since

They got into a brutal 1000+ post spat over modern day feminism that led to a lot of hurt feelings on both sides.

[Second Harkius]

I think FOS should rebrand themselves and go in a new direction. I'm thinking S.W.A. (Scrubs with Attitude).

It sounds better and has an urban appeal which will draw in more players.

[Mcdonalds]

I'm certain it will end badly

[Second Harkius]

I think FOS should rebrand themselves and go in a new direction. I'm thinking S.W.A. (Scrubs with Attitude).

It sounds better and has an urban appeal which can draw in more players.

Scrubber here!

[Mcdonalds]

I'm going to pretend a scrumpers wife shot him
In a horrible accident involving him asking for a sandwich while he neckbeards with other man children in the living room, stroking each other while watching fight club

[Mcdonalds]

And every time you say scrumper here, it's your way of mourning him

[hamfactorial]

Whatever happens with FoS, I hope that we can rely on the same consistent brand of C-grade trolling from former gutter members.

[Mcdonalds]

I expect the same high quality card analysis from b grade man children and neckbeards

[Second Harkius]

Whatever happens with FoS, I hope that we can rely on the same consistent brand of C-grade trolling from former gutter members.

I started laughing reading this, good work.

[Second Harkius]

I'm going to pretend a scrumpers wife shot him
In a horrible accident involving him asking for a sandwich while he neckbeards with other man children in the living room, stroking each other while watching fight club

He goes by "RedScrubber" now to reflect the FOS name change.

[Col. Khaddafi]

I think FOS should rebrand themselves and go in a new direction. I'm thinking S.W.A. (Scrubs with Attitude).

It sounds better and has an urban appeal which will draw in more players.

someone sure is feeeling bored today

[hamfactorial]

Whatever happens with FoS, I hope that we can rely on the same consistent brand of C-grade trolling from former gutter members.

I started laughing reading this, good work.

[Dechs Kaison]

Competitive Magic, like pretty much all competitive two player games, revolves around making the best decisions given a finite set of outcomes. Too many viable decks ruins this dynamic because it adds too many outcomes for any one person to reasonably consider.

When anyone can play anything at any time, most of the complexity is gone. This is one reason why standard is the best format IMO.

Competitive Magic, like pretty much all competitive two player games, revolves around making the best decisions out of a finite set of outcomes. Too few viable decks ruins this dynamic because it makes for a game of rock paper scissors.

When everyone has to play one of three decks, most of the complexity is gone. This is one reason why Legacy is the best
format IMO.



Honestly, how do you get from anyone can play anything to no complexity? That is the very definition of complexity.

[Yarpus]

Yep, for people who watched Witcher 3 trailer/gameplay.
Fuck yea, Poland.

[hamfactorial]

Competitive Magic, like pretty much all competitive two player games, revolves around making the best decisions given a finite set of outcomes. Too many viable decks ruins this dynamic because it adds too many outcomes for any one person to reasonably consider.

When anyone can play anything at any time, most of the complexity is gone. This is one reason why standard is the best format IMO.

This is much better trolling than all that Scrumper FNM stuff, take notes boys.

[LP, of the Fires]

Competitive Magic, like pretty much all competitive two player games, revolves around making the best decisions given a finite set of outcomes. Too many viable decks ruins this dynamic because it adds too many outcomes for any one person to reasonably consider.

When anyone can play anything at any time, most of the complexity is gone. This is one reason why standard is the best format IMO.

Trolling or not, I completely agree with this which is why I think Standard is generally the best format.

"Solved" formats tend to be the best ones for the metagaming deckbuilder where giant ones tend to be better for people playing just to have "fun" or for people who want to play the same deck over and over again; which isn't a bad
thing.

[Dechs Kaison]

Competitive Magic, like pretty much all competitive two player games, revolves around making the best decisions given a finite set of outcomes. Too many viable decks ruins this dynamic because it adds too many outcomes for any one person to reasonably consider.

When anyone can play anything at any time, most of the complexity is gone. This is one reason why standard is the best format IMO.

This is much better trolling than all that Scrumper FNM stuff, take notes boys.

Rule number 1 of trolling: If someone can tell you're trolling, you're not doing it right.

[Kaitscralt]

just one more surge and he'll break free

[Kaitscralt]

I've never heard anyone in any setting give a reason why Legacy is good other then they enjoy the broken cards legal there. I've seen great arguments for why Standard is best. Maverick just posted one that is impossible to refute and thus must be called trolling by those cut of lesser cloth.

[Kaitscralt]

If you think taking a Magic career to figure out when you should cast Brainstorm makes you better than a Standard player, you're wrong. You're hiding beneath banned and broken cards in an obsolete forum that the games creators no longer care about. Posting the words "skill" and "intensive" doesn't make something "skill intensive" until you provide a thorough and well-explained argument to support it. I'll wait.

I would never again play a format with a shitty spell like Stoneforge Mystic.

[Self Medicated]

I take back what I said about not being able to afford Legacy. Turns out I can build a burn deck for around $100. Not sure if it will be competitive, but...

[Kaitscralt]

"I learned that sometimes you mainphase your Brainstorms. Brainstorm is good with fetchlands. There is a free Counterspell. The pros all say Legacy is their favorite format. For these reasons, Legacy is the most skill intensive."

Ignoring the fact that the pros enjoy Legacy because the cards are *their* cards and *they* built the decks. They're forty years old, loving every minute of what got them hooked.

The Legacy envy that budgo's and scrumps have is alarming, because they don't even understand why they like Legacy. They're still trying to fit in, even after high school. I have to tell them why they like it, and they have to listen.

[Mcdonalds]

I take back what I said about not being able to afford Legacy. Turns out I can build a burn deck for around $100. Not sure if it will be competitive, but...

I'm going to say this until I'm blue in the face

Burn is fucking terrible, literally no one wants to play it barring dedicated red players, has horrible combo matchups and is one of the more antiquated decks in the format

If you want to play legacy, go proxy a deck and play that until you get money to actually build a deck that isn't garbage.

[LP, of the Fires]

Pretty much.

I get that Legacy appeals to the puzzle solving of sequencing spells and blah blah blah, but there's very little in the way of metagaming which is imo the real puzzle of competitive magic.

You just play storm for 8 years and that's it.

Alternatively, winning with Red cards in legacy is very satisfying. If I was active in the format, I'd be pretty excited with the possibilites of Eidolon, Flamespeaker and Chandra in various shells from RDW, UR tempo builds and Painters servant.

[Mcdonalds]

If you think taking a Magic career to figure out when you should cast Brainstorm makes you better than a Standard player, you're wrong. You're hiding beneath banned and broken cards in an obsolete forum that the games creators no longer care about. Posting the words "skill" and "intensive" doesn't make something "skill intensive" until you provide a thorough and well-explained argument to support it. I'll wait.

Who the hell said that?

[hamfactorial]

#LegacyWounds

[Kaitscralt]

StonespurnedMe