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[Article] - Winning my way into Modern.

Post #1 by Alex » Sun Jul 28, 2013 10:53 pm

As a long time player of basically every format to ever exist in Magic's history, it comes as no surprise that when the Modern format was spoiled I was excited as well as vehemently optimistic about it going forward. I wanted this format to be good, because I wanted to be able to play in an eternal format that's barrier of entry wasn't dictated by the price of cards that have been long-since out of print. I played during the years when a lot of the Legacy staples were cheap, throwaway cards that people disregarded, so I was lucky in the sense that I had all of those cards already, but the Legacy scene where I lived was dead because of how many newer players were simply not willing nor able to spend that kind of cash on cards that were only good for one seemingly dying format.

Modern was meant to be a solution to this problem. It was advertised as an officially sanctioned format, and
Wizards even went on record saying that they planned to support the Modern format with special edition reprints, core set reprints, and the like to try and keep the secondary market from making the format inaccessible. A few years has passed now, and I feel as though they failed at delivering on this promise. They've done a few things that helped, such as reprinting Ravnican shocklands, but their other attempts at rebalancing the format's price barrier have so far been complete failures. Modern Masters was a specifically blatant blunder, as their intent was to lower the going rate for many of these cards. They didn't want to repeat the mistake they made in Chronicles where they massively reprinted every card in the block, thus causing many players to quit due to the secondary market on all of their cards crashing. Instead they released a prohibitive print run, which in turn caused prices to skyrocket upwards.

While they had managed to garner interest in the Modern format, it felt as though they
did so at the steep price of going back on their word; keeping the format accessible. Modern Masters booster boxes sold for gratuitous amounts of money, and even more so some of the chase singles, which before Modern Masters had actually stabilized in price. Tarmogoyf, for instance, pre-MM was roughly $60. It has since spiked to $160 (at the time of this post) and it is likely to stay there due to how much the format has picked up in popularity. Likewise, Dark Confidant had settled at a comfortable $40, now demanding an almost $70 price tag despite there being more prints in circulation. I won't even bore you with Fetch Lands, specifically Scalding Tarn and Misty Rainforest, which have just spiraled out of control price-wise...

What does all of this mean for the typical Modern player? A lot of things, but most specifically it means this: if you want to play a tier 1 deck, expect to spend an upwards of $800. This seems like a pretty high barrier of entry, much higher than Wizards of the Coast led
us to believe was acceptable. Does this mean that they're at fault? Absolutely not, there are so many factors that come into play when considering these prices, and a lot of it has to do with us, the players, and how we treat the secondary market. But unless Wizards makes larger, more bold strides to specifically target reprints at cards that get a little too out of control, most of the people who would otherwise be interested in this awesome format will simply be dissuaded in lieu of formats that are much more easily accessible, such as Standard and Limited.






The approach


Obviously this is an arguing point for an entirely different article, and you came here to learn how one can simply try and bypass this barrier into the format cheaply. There's a few ways to go about doing such a thing, and today I'm going to talk a little bit about budget lists and how they can get you there.

Grinding is not a new idea by any means.
For those who may not know what this is, grinding is the act of taking a cheap, usually semi-competitive deck and simply trying to perform consistently well in order to gain value. Value is usually gained via prize winnings. People who play Magic Online have been familiar with this concept for the better part of a decade, and this idea can be extended into real-world winnings if you play it smart and learn how to play an "okay" deck in a way that you can consistently gain more than you put into an event. In Magic Online it's very black and white, "I need to go 3-1 in at least 1 of X events to continue to play for free," and anything beyond that is considered profit or value. In real life, prize payouts are not always exactly the same, and as such it is much harder to simply give you a function by which you can calculate your earnings or what place you need to get into in order to generate value from your winnings.

Despite that, there are a few guidelines to keep in mind when
considering what events to play in and what events to simply pass on in order to gain value. These are the ones that I like to consider when I sign up for an event.

Number of enrolled players
The number of players in the event you're about to play in weighs in heavily on the amount of prize support that will be available for the pool. Most decent game stores will add 1.5 packs per player to the prize pool, rounding up. So if you're in an event with 8 players in it, the pool of prizes available to the winners will be 12. Most stores will have a trickle-down structure for their prize support for swiss events, which means that usually they'll allocate a certain number of packs to players who are 3-1, and the rest goes to the 4-0 player. So if there are 3 players at 3-1 and 1 4-0 player, they might allocate 2 packs to each 3-1 player and 6 packs to the winner at 4-0.

Events that cut at the top 8 are generally treated in the same fashion,
and the trickle-down is simply ordered by placement based on tiebreakers, etc. Events that are cut at top 8 are sometimes pooled at 1 pack per enrolled player, especially if they're events that scale well into 40+ players, so keep this in mind. It's very difficult for some stores to offer prize support at 1.5 in an event that large due to inventory constraints, so if that's the case, there may not be anything "shady" going on, it's really just based on actual physical limitations. This is something worth keeping in mind if you're playing at larger stores. Usually these kinds of stores will offer credit instead of packs though, so this is pretty rare, but I've personally been privy to it happening in the past in my time working at an LGS.

The entry fee into the event
Larger events usually garner not only larger crowds, but larger entry fees. Generally for a constructed tournament you can expect to pay anywhere from $5 to $10,
and these are the types of events that are pooled at around an average of 1.5 packs per player. Some stores will have different tournament pods with different entry fees and different structures for prize support, so be sure to ask how they're rationing prizes before entering split events like this.

The local game store I play FNM at has 2 pods, one is $5 and is pooled at 1 per player, while the $11 pod is pooled at 1.75 per player. The $5 tournament is meant for players playing "for fun" or simply playing budget lists, while the $11 pod is generally tier 1 decks and decks that are tuned for high level competitive play. In this article, we'll be taking our budget lists into the latter pods, because the prize support is better and the decks we'll be playing are designed in such a manner that they beat out competitive lists a large enough majority of the time that you can gain value even if you don't win the entire thing.

The environment
One advantage that you, as a paper player have over Magic Online players is that you get to actually see the types of people that you're playing with and against, as well as the type of store you're playing in. Those of us who have been playing this game for long enough can get a pretty good feel for what kind of competitive level play you can expect from a store simply by hanging out for a little while before an event and chatting/trading with other players. Obviously the demographics are pretty wide, but the general "feel it out" point is still a big one and with time most players will learn to do this immediately.



Choosing the deck

With these things in mind, we come to the next order of business. We need a deck to play. The idea behind this is to keep the cost of the deck low, which allows for value to be accrued at a faster rate. Modern is a format where budget decks aren't easy to come by, but at the time
of posting many players are simply transitioning their Standard decks and playing them in the Modern format, so this is good for us because that means that many cards we'll already have will be good enough to get us there.

Some budget lists are better than others in terms of consistency, and today I'm simply going to attempt to keep my deck under $100. Shouldn't be too hard, right? Historically budget lists have been decks that play a lot of basic lands and uncommons, and red has always been the favored color to do just that, so it seems almost intuitive that the first deck that I'll check out will be a mono red list.

[deck=All-In Red]
Creatures (35)
4 Goblin Bushwhacker
4 Signal Pest
3 Legion Loyalist
4 Burning-Tree Emissary
4 Stormblood Berserker
4 Lightning Mauler
3 Goblin Wardriver
3 Firefist Striker
3 Gore-House Chainwalker
3 Chandra's Phoenix

Spells (7)
4 Lightning Bolt
3 Dynacharge

Land (18)
4 Rootbound Crag
14 Mountain

Sideboard (15)
4 Shrine of Burning Rage
4
Ancient Grudge
3 Combust
2 Faerie Macabre
2 Burning Earth
[/deck]

So how far back is this going to set us? Well, assuming we have to buy everything from Starcity, this puts us back...

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Not bad, right? That means you only need to win about 15 packs and the deck is paid for completely. Everything beyond that is generated value. This is obviously assuming that you needed to purchase every card in the deck, which may or may not be the case. Consider how much you can cut into this cost just by having a lot of these pretty easy-to-get commons and uncommons ahead of time.

Another aggro deck that can be similarly explosive is Infect. There's a couple of versions, but sticking with our budget theme, I'm going to simply build the absolute cheapest, yet most effective list dime-for-dime.

[deck=Mono Green Infect]
Creatures (16)
4 Blight Mamba
4 Necropede
4 Ichorclaw Myr
4 Glistener Elf

Spells (
24)
4 Ranger's Guile
4 Giant Growth
4 Mutagenic Growth
4 Rancor
4 Groundswell
4 Vines of Vastwood

Mana (20)
17 Forest
3 Inkmoth Nexus

Sideboard (15)
4 Viridian Corrupter
3 Dismember
3 Wild Defiance
3 Apostle's Blessing
2 Faerie Macabre[/deck]

You'll like this one, it's even cheaper.

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So this one pays for itself in roughly 9 packs! The most expensive card in this list is Inkmoth Nexus at roughly $5.50~ too, so it's an easy one to assemble. If you choose not to play Inkmoth Nexus you cut this investment in half, so it's a very good deck to start out with if you have only about $10~ to spend.


What about players who don't like aggro? Well, you're pretty covered, too. There's some pretty amusing combo decks out there that you can play, and I'll do just a few of them here.

This first one is your typical Treasure Hunt deck. The idea is to cast Treasure Hunt and discard a
bunch of lands to a discard outlet for value. The one shown here is Zombie Infestation, although there are versions of the deck that run Seismic Assault and a bunch of RU dual lands.

Things to keep in mind with this deck is that Reliquary Tower is very important, and if you don't hit one on your first Treasure Hunt, you might lose horribly due to having to discard at end of turn. Because of this, it is generally recommended that you try and combo at 4 mana instead of simply slamming Treasure Hunt at 2 mana and hoping you hit R.Tower.

[deck=Treasure Hunters]
Spells (5)
4 Treasure Hunt
1 Zombie Infestation

Lands (55)
24 Island
24 Swamp
4 Reliquary Tower
3 Contested War Zone

Sideboard (15)
15 Mountain[/deck]
I'm not going to include a sideboard in this one because a sideboard seems pretty pointless for this deck anyway. That being said, the price on this one...

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Yep. The most expensive
card in this deck are Reliquary Towers at $.99 a piece.

If you're interested in looking through some more decks, I'll be making a separate thread full of decks that can be used in tandem with the information in this article. You can find that thread here. (Eventually.)



But I want to build my own deck!

And I encourage you to do this, especially if you are a decent deckbuilder. There is a lot of reward to doing this given that you're acquainted with proper deckbuilding skills, the most obvious being that you can metagame very easily while doing this. You're going to know what people in your store/local area are playing, and building your own deck allows you to tune specifically against common or troublesome matchups specifically.

That being said, you need to remember a few key things when budget building if you want to do well.

You need a deck that rewards good technical play
This is
probably the most important one. Your deck doesn't necessarily need to be doing absurdly powerful things as long as it allows you the freedom to play tight, technical Magic. What I mean by this is that you never want to feel as though you're helpless to a situation at any given time, and many of the cards in your list should allow you to manipulate the board state in some way. This does not mean that you need to be playing removal. People often misunderstand what I mean when I say this, and automatically assume that it means you should be playing a bunch of reactionary spells, which isn't at all true. A player with good technical skills will be able to manipulate the board very easily by simply making the right attacks and being able to do proper combat math each turn. Reading your opponent's required blocks, how the board state will resolve after attacks, etc are all very important skills to have, and if you're going to play, or even play against creature-based aggro, youll want to make sure you shore up these skills.

Pick a deck and stick to it
A common mistake with budget builders is that they build the cheapest possible deck, begin grinding with the deck, and then later upgrade to a "better," different deck once they've accrued some value, basically setting them back to a profit of $0. While this is obviously the goal of the entire challenge, I see a lot of players do this before they've even really accrued true value. (Playing for free PLUS profit.)

There are dangers involved with jumping to an entire new deck, too. The most obvious one being that you're unfamiliar, and you won't be playing at your best with a list that you don't know through-and-through. That being said, if you aren't able to play well consistently with the list until you've practiced a bit more, you should probably just wait a while and keep playing what you're comfortable with.

My advice to those of you trying to get the best mileage
out of your deck is to simply upgrade your list incrementally. An acquaintance of mine grinded his way into the format playing mono green Infect, playing all basic lands and commons/uncommons under a buck, but when he started to accrue value he started upgrading the deck in small ways, such as buying Inkmoth Nexus' and Rancors, etc. He saw his normal 3-1 record more regularly increase to 4-0, netting him profit at a faster rate than he had previously, despite only spending small amounts of money on the deck he was already comfortable playing before. This allowed him to accrue his value faster while also providing him with the means to play in each event for free.

Play an archetype you're familiar with
Another common mistake I see is people jump into the format and play an archetype they are not good at. I see this most commonly with control players who try and jump into the format with an aggro deck because of how many cheap aggro builds there are out there as
opposed to the small number of control lists. If you aren't used to playing the type of deck you're playing, you are going to perform worse than someone who prefers that type of deck a vast majority of the time, as well as suck the fun out of playing the format preemptively.

If you are a control player and you want to get into the format cheaply, you can do it. Just like in any other format, the most important tool you have as a control player is the ability to know the format ahead of time. Your deck is less about card quality and more about knowing what to react to, so if you do your research ahead of time, you can very easily play a control deck that doesn't have a bunch of money cards in it and simply win on the back of an Emeria Angel and proper spot removal and counter magic.

I don't see this same syndrome in aggro players and combo players as much, but that could very well be due to the abundance of these types of decks in the format already. With such a
large card pool it's pretty intuitive to play these decks if that's what you're inclined to do.

Use your knowledge of your local meta to your advantage
You might go in unarmed for your meta the first few times and scrub out, and that's an unfortunate way to start, but it does provide you with crucial information regarding what the players in your area are playing. Being an eternal format means that unlike Standard, many players will be playing the same deck for long stretches of time because they aren't necessarily incentivized to switch to a different one. In rotating formats it's pretty easy to switch between decks because the card pool is so small and readily available, but Modern and Legacy have never been particularly well known for this. That being said, if you notice that a certain archetype is very popular, you need to either build a deck to beat it or prepare your current deck to deal with it. For instance, if Birthing Pod variants are popular, you
need to pack proper graveyard hate as well as ways to deal with the pod itself. Ramp or aggro strategies popular? Consider a sweeper like Pyroclasm to keep yourself in the drivers' seat in these matchups.

It's hard to go wrong with a proper sideboard. When building this sideboard you obviously want to try and blanket as many matchups as possible, but if you know for a fact that one deck is particularly rampant there is also nothing wrong with simply targetting sideboard hate against it. You see this pretty regularly against Affinity, where most decks will simply play Shatterstorm and Ancient Grudge not just because they're good cards individually, but because they literally make Affinity unplayable.

That being said, what are some "general" sideboard cards that are good to have? Here's a short list of sideboard cards that I consider to be pretty decent blanket cards, and I'll explain why.

Dismember: This is just a good card for dealing with just
about any threat you need to kill. Being available to every color is a big selling point on this card, as it gives colors that ordinarily don't have decent spot removal a way to deal with key threats.
Pyroclasm/Whipflare: Both of these cards are excellent against ramp and aggro strategies, as they kill mana dorks and weenies pretty handily. Whipflare is obviously worse against Affinity but better if you're the one playing Affinity, where Pyroclasm is good no matter what. Pick your poison, as you'll get a lot of mileage no matter which one you pick.
Relic of Progenitus/Faerie Macabre/[card]Grafdigger's Cage[/card]: Graveyard hate is usually pretty important because there are quite a few decks out there that interact favorably with the graveyard. There is no "best" graveyard hate, so feel free to make a
judgment call. Some players don't mind having it out on the field so that their opponent has to answer it before they can "go off," where other players prefer to sneak attack their opponent with the Faerie. Whatever works for you.
Blood Moon: This card is popular in aggressive red decks as a sideboard card against 3 and 4 color decks, as well as Tron strategies. There are times where your opponent simply has no way of dealing with Blood Moon and loses the game due to being unable to cast any of their spells, so the effect is obviously very powerful, but at the cost of making your mana base all Mountains as well. If you're already playing all Mountains, or have already played out your gameplan, this often protects you from disruption.
Spreading Seas: This card is popular in control lists that want to punish their opponent's ambitious mana bases. It's also a good Islandwalk enabler in some versions of Merfolk, so it's certainly
something to look out for. I've seen it played in UW control as a way to mana screw opponents early into the game in order to gain a turn or two of breathing room, while also cantripping.
Smash to Smithereens/Ancient Grudge/Shatterstorm: Most of this is technology to combat Affinity, but some of it is simply to kill Swords of X and Y and random Sundering Titans and Wurmcoil Engines.
Shadow of Doubt: Good against certain fetch-based combo, as well as being a way to punish players who play fetches. I've seen a few control decks use it to also stop Trinket Mage and Treasure Mage as well. I think it's an underrated card.


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Post #3 by Khaospawn » Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:13 am

As the saying goes, "Don't play cheap decks. Play cheap archetypes.
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Post #4 by Alex » Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:59 am

Khaospawn » Sun Jul 28, 2013 6:13 pm wrote:As the saying goes, "Don't play cheap decks. Play cheap archetypes.

As long as you build your deck well you can play just about any archetype you want and go 3-1, the ones I'm listing here are more or less just examples of decks I would feel comfortable playing on a budget in order to take a tournament by surprise.

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Post #5 by zemanjaski » Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:53 am

Agreed. I might actually join you in this endeavour and make a video series.
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Post #6 by hamfactorial » Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:16 am

This is an excellent idea, Alex, thank you for starting this up. I've already acquired most of the Modern cards I need for a few decks (aggro, burn) but I've never tracked winnings relative to the purchase price of a deck.

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Post #7 by Kazekirimaru » Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:44 am

Holy actual fuck at that Treasure Hunt deck.
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Post #8 by zemanjaski » Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:59 am

If anyone wants to be slightly less budget, I'm happy to suggest changes to the RG deck (don't worry, no Goyfs!).
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Post #9 by photodyer » Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:59 am

Outstanding article, Alex...well beyond the value of many of the articles regularly printed by your employer and their peers. I haven't scouted it out, but am I guessing correctly that Sally has primers for the popular Modern decks that one could use for getting familiar with the format? I for one have only been in the game since the release of ISD and need to get up to speed on what one can expect to see in the format and how to play against the usual suspects.
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Post #10 by zemanjaski » Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:17 am

Yeah pretty much. Even better is that these are goldfish decks; so once you've got the mechanical skills sorted you literally start grinding value. I really like this approach (it's how I play online).
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zemanjaski » Sun Jul 28, 2013 8:59 pm wrote:If anyone wants to be slightly less budget, I'm happy to suggest changes to the RG deck (don't worry, no Goyfs!).


More information can't be a bad thing, zeman...post away. I'm just amazed to see that I have almost all of the cards in Alex's AIR list...
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Post #12 by zemanjaski » Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:24 am

Copperline Gorge over Rootbound Crag for starters.
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Post #13 by Jack » Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:44 am

That combo list is whack. It's like dredge, but somehow less consistent and resilient and more all-in. I'd sideboard laboratory maniac, just for lolz.
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Post #14 by Alex » Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:14 am

zemanjaski » Sun Jul 28, 2013 10:24 pm wrote:Copperline Gorge over Rootbound Crag for starters.

I jammed Rootbound Crags in there because that's what I happened to have and the difference is pretty minimal. Playing Copperline Gorge actually lowers the price of the deck a few dollars, as Copperline Gorge is only about $3.50. Not a significant impact but still worth mentioning.

The Treasure Hunt deck is actually stolen from a guy at my store. He went 4-0 a few weeks ago playing it, apparently he dodged UWR matchups because that's basically the only deck that can really interact with it other than Gifts Ungiven Tron.


I'm not done writing this thing yet, I just have some family over and my nephew
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Post #16 by zemanjaski » Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:28 am

Yeah I'm certainly not trying to be picky; it's more about showing that you can build a cheap but competitive deck that can turn a profit :)

Copperline is more expensive than Rootbound here, so my mistake.
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Post #17 by Alex » Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:35 am

zemanjaski » Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:28 pm wrote:Yeah I'm certainly not trying to be picky; it's more about showing that you can build a cheap but competitive deck that can turn a profit :)

Copperline is more expensive than Rootbound here, so my mistake.

Everything here is just going to be based off of whatever Starcity is charging for the sake of consistency.

It's pretty strange that fastlands are expensive in Australia. They bombed in price here almost immediately after they rotated.

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Post #18 by Christen » Mon Jul 29, 2013 6:26 am

That Treasure Hunt list.... I must play it.
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Post #19 by hamfactorial » Mon Jul 29, 2013 6:34 am

Christen » Sun Jul 28, 2013 10:26 pm wrote:That Treasure Hunt list.... I must play it.

I laughed out loud when I saw the decklist. Losing to this would put me on a mixture of tilt and amazement that I might never recover from.

Yet another reason why I love my 4 sideboard Rakdos Charm.

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Post #20 by Alex » Mon Jul 29, 2013 7:39 am

hamfactorial » Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:34 am wrote:Yet another reason why I love my 4 sideboard Rakdos Charm.

That would be the literal most brutal beats ever. One does not simply "forget" about a beating that bad.

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Post #21 by rcwraspy » Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:56 pm

Thanks for posting this, Alex! I'm just starting to get into Modern myself, and though I played in the '90s, I'm pretty similar to Photo that I've only picked it back up since INN came out. Which means I've got SOM/INN/M12 standard cards through now, other than what I've cherry-picked for Modern, casual, and EDH decks I've built. That said, I went on an eBay spree over the past few months and have gotten a good number of Modern staples, only missing 4x Misty and 2x Verdant for my fetches. Taking this type of an approach would be a great way to round out that collection, rather than continue to spend on eBay.

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Post #22 by Platypus » Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:58 pm

Alex » Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:39 am wrote:
hamfactorial » Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:34 am wrote:Yet another reason why I love my 4 sideboard Rakdos Charm.

That would be the literal most brutal beats ever. One does not simply "forget" about a beating that bad.


The Seismic Assault version would be immune to Rakdos Charm, and perhaps safer altogether. How would that list look? just replace Zombie Infestation with Seismic Assault and the Swamps with Mountains? Or is the casting cost of SA too difficult without duals?

I want to play that deck! But my go-to place is all out of Reliquary Towers, wtf...!

About red/green lands in the AIR
deck, what about Karplusan Forest? It's cheaper than both Rootbound Crag and Copperline Gorge, and always comes untapped in play.
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Post #23 by Nuwen » Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:41 pm

About halfway to freerolling through Modern.

Going to see if I can pick up the rest (Phoenix, BTE, Striker) for <$6-7 buy-in.

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Post #24 by Alex » Sat Aug 03, 2013 9:54 am

How's it going so far, Nuwen? I'm interested in knowing how well this worked on MODO as well.

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Post #25 by Nuwen » Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:00 pm

Alex » Sat Aug 03, 2013 4:54 am wrote:How's it going so far, Nuwen? I'm interested in knowing how well this worked on MODO as well.


So far I'm $22 in the hole ($12 to go 2-2 and 0-3, the rest on deck). Keeping a .txt log of important capital commitments.

A 3-1 win will cover all expenses up to that point, and 4-0 will put me in the green. An additional non-paying loss will make any future 3-1's redzone, but like every gambler I expect my initial investment to approximately match first paying return.

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Post #26 by TubeHunter » Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:25 pm

If I only enjoyed the modern format :) Good article btw.
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Post #27 by Alex » Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:35 pm

Nuwen » Sun Aug 04, 2013 2:00 pm wrote:
Alex » Sat Aug 03, 2013 4:54 am wrote:How's it going so far, Nuwen? I'm interested in knowing how well this worked on MODO as well.


So far I'm $22 in the hole ($12 to go 2-2 and 0-3, the rest on deck). Keeping a .txt log of important capital commitments.

A 3-1 win will cover all expenses up to that point, and 4-0 will put me in the green. An additional non-paying loss will make any future 3-1's redzone, but like every gambler I expect my initial investment to approximately match first paying return.

i.e. scruuuuub

My results have been similar thusfar. I'm down $8.50 right now, but I incurred this cost by
buying Burning Earths for the sideboard. Before that I was barely in the green. This is only 2 events into the experiment, although I had the fortune of not having to purchase any other card other than the BE's in the entire list.

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Post #28 by hamfactorial » Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:55 pm

I keep getting shit on by fringe decks like Soul Sisters and GW Auras.

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Post #29 by TubeHunter » Sun Aug 04, 2013 11:00 pm

hamfactorial » Sun Aug 04, 2013 2:55 pm wrote:I keep getting shit on by fringe decks like Soul Sisters and GW Auras.

Turns out modern will do that to Ya. But due to no mtgo, at cocatrice you get shit
On by gems such as 8-rack and GargaBalance. Though it doesn't help that I play barely competitive decks as well.
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Post #30 by hamfactorial » Sun Aug 04, 2013 11:16 pm

After a bunch of testing against Tron, I've discovered that Magus of the Moon is too slow and simply swinging through his Wurmcoil Engine with Firefist Striker is the better way to go.

Maybe some number of Skullcrack are necessary to help with the lifegain matchups like Soul Sisters and Hexproof. Alternatively, Stigma Lasher for maximum lulz.

It doesn't fit within the budget theme of the deck as-is, but I'd love to swap my 8 fetches in and run Geth's Verdict and laugh at the hexproof decks I keep seeing.

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Post #31 by Alex » Sun Aug 04, 2013 11:18 pm

hamfactorial » Sun Aug 04, 2013 5:16 pm wrote:After a bunch of testing against Tron, I've discovered that Magus of the Moon is too slow and simply swinging through his Wurmcoil Engine with Firefist Striker is the better way to go.

Maybe some number of Skullcrack are necessary to help with the lifegain matchups like Soul Sisters and Hexproof. Alternatively, Stigma Lasher for maximum lulz.

It doesn't fit within the budget theme of the deck as-is, but I'd love to swap my 8 fetches in and run Geth's Verdict and laugh at the hexproof decks I keep seeing.

You could just upgrade to 8 white duals and play Celestial Flare.

Also gives you [card]Wear // Tear[/card],
which isn't irrelevant.

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Post #32 by hamfactorial » Sun Aug 04, 2013 11:38 pm

I've been thinking about AIR after adding a splash color.

[mana]B[/mana] gives us Dark Confidant, which may be quite useful for "free" CA, Rakdos Charm and edict effects like Devour Flesh, Geth's Verdict and the ultimate walking edict, Gatekeeper of Malakir.

[mana]W[/mana] gives us really sexy sideboard tech with Rest in Peace, Stony Silence, Suppression Field, Path to Exile and some sweeper protection / direct damage in Boros Charm and Wear // Tear as you mentioned.

[mana]G[/mana] gives us above-the-curve creatures (Flinthoof Boar, etc) and artifact/enchantment removal (
Naturalize
, Krosan Grip and creature protection (Vines of Vastwood).

[mana]U[/mana] gives us card draw stapled to removal with Electrolyze, Izzet Charm and cheap tempo with Vapor Snag. Maybe more, I'm not much of a blue mage.

I like the possibility of RW most.

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Post #33 by Alex » Sun Aug 04, 2013 11:52 pm

I'm going to start a deck development thread that relates directly to this article. The intent of the thread is to build mildly competitive decks that can be grown into full-fledged, fetch land toting machines via grinding. I think this will be a good exercise for a lot of us.

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Post #34 by hamfactorial » Sun Aug 04, 2013 11:54 pm

Want me to edit that last post out and move it over to the new one?

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Post #35 by Alex » Sun Aug 04, 2013 11:55 pm

No, that's fine, I'll just leave the first post in the new thread to you.

Here you go.

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Post #36 by hamfactorial » Mon Aug 12, 2013 7:03 pm

The AiR deck is fun to play, but routinely gets stomped. I can barely keep a 50% win rate in the tournament practice room on MTGO. It either needs more reach, tougher creatures (folds hard to Pyroclasm) or operate on an axis that popular decks (uwr, Jund) can't easily target.

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Post #37 by Khaospawn » Mon Aug 12, 2013 9:40 pm

Ham, I recommend Goblins. I think it's faster and a little bit more resilient to Pyroclasm since it plays lords and things like War Marshal and Dragon Fodder.

However, an early Elesh Norn or the Soul Sisters matchup is pretty much unwinnable, but then again, you have the same terrible disadvantage playing with AiR just the same.
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Post #38 by Khaospawn » Mon Aug 12, 2013 9:44 pm

But I base this on NO MTGO testing whatsoever. Just from my experience with my local playgroup. But we have all the tier 1 decks.
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Post #39 by hamfactorial » Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:31 am

I'd believe it, Khaos. My LGS has no Modern scene, so my testing is entirely against tier 1 copy/paste stuff on MTGO. Goblins might fare better, but I've been trying as hard as possible with the stock AiR list that Alex posted.

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Post #40 by Alex » Tue Aug 13, 2013 5:18 pm

Khaospawn » Mon Aug 12, 2013 3:40 pm wrote:Ham, I recommend Goblins. I think it's faster and a little bit more resilient to Pyroclasm since it plays lords and things like War Marshal and Dragon Fodder.

However, an early Elesh Norn or the Soul Sisters matchup is pretty much unwinnable, but then again, you have the same terrible disadvantage playing with AiR just the same.

Elecktrickery has been a bigger issue for me than Pyroclasm, since a lot of the decks that can play Pyroclasm don't play it well. (It wipes their board too.) Some aggressive strategies are adopting Elecktrickery as a way to combat this type of synonymous scenario.


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