[Fedoras of Salvation] - White Knights ITT

[Alex]

That post is way better with AutocardAnywhere turned on.

[zemanjaski]

Hmm?

[Alex]

Train of Thought shows up as a card link, which made me lol.

[photodyer]

Redthirst posited that Larry was acting less brainless over on Sally, but I beg to differ...here's his "wisdom" on the hasty, blue-hating hydra:

" This hydra is bad and will not see any play whatsoever. it is well below the curve. If it was a 4/4 for 4 then fine. But a 3/3 for 4? Thats terrible. Not a card which will see ANY play AT ALL. Mark my words.

It isnt even an early pick in limited. It is even worse than Vastwood hydra which seems no play in constructed obviously and even goes fairly deep in limited as nobody picks it because it is trash"
Last edited by Larry94; Today at 05:22 AM.

I'm leeching this, but couldn't resist as someone is having fun trolling over there...

[DroppinSuga]

My fellow redbros, I come before you today a humbled man.

[redthirst]

You just don't understand how subtly Larry is improving his posting now.

I said his posts were less garbage and, for the first time ever, he has proven me wrong.

[redthirst]

My fellow redbros, I come before you today a humbled man.

What up Sugs?

[DroppinSuga]

My fellow redbros, I come before you today a humbled man.

What up Sugs?

Oh nothing. I'm just practicing for when I really get to use that speech.

[rcwraspy]

Z, could you find room in your landbase for Mutavault in that Trading Post deck? It seems the man-land would be good in a control matchup.

[redthirst]

My fellow redbros, I come before you today a humbled man.

What up Sugs?

Oh nothing. I'm just practicing for when I really get to use that speech.

Gotcha. Well, it's good. Gave me chills.

[DroppinSuga]

My fellow redbros, I come before you today a humbled man.

What up Sugs?

Oh nothing. I'm just practicing for when I really get to use that speech.

Gotcha. Well, it's good. Gave me chills.

We're on the right track.

[redthirst]

WINNER!

[Alex]

These people are morons. Why do they keep saying "OH ELFBALL IS GOING TO LOVE THIS CARD?"

Elfball does not give a shit about this card.

[redthirst]

These people are morons. Why do they keep saying "OH ELFBALL IS GOING TO LOVE THIS CARD?"

Elfball does not give a shit about this card.

And neither do I.

In other news, RDW is cheap as hell. I just pre-ordered what I'd probably need for the deck:
4 Hammer
4 Temple of Triumph
4 Satyr
4 Strike
4 Fanatic

For less than $30... and a full half of that was for the lands that I may not even need.

[DroppinSuga]

These people are morons. Why do they keep saying "OH ELFBALL IS GOING TO LOVE THIS CARD?"

Elfball does not give a shit about this card.

And neither do I.

In other news, RDW is cheap as hell. I just pre-ordered what I'd probably need for the deck:
4 Hammer
4 Temple of Triumph
4 Satyr
4 Strike
4 Fanatic

For less than $30... and a full half of that was for the lands that I may not even need.

Did you use tcgplayer? I've been shopping around and haven't found anything that low yet.

[redthirst]

I snipe eBay auctions for the rares and just BIN the uncommons.

[rcwraspy]

Ok Redbros, need a little help.

I'm going to a $5k tomorrow and still haven't decided what to run. Unfortunately I haven't played very much since M14 came out because Law School has kept me so busy. But I have all the cards I need from M14 to make things.

I'm comfortable with the following decks, and have the cards I'd need for them:
B/G Midrange
Dos Rakis
AIR
KDW
G/R Dragonmaster
Gruul Burning Tree aggro

In the Boston area at a large event you can pretty much expect to run across every archetype, but it's usually very net-decked and leans control. I'm expecting a lot of:
U/W/x
Jund
G/R Dragonmaster

With a smattering of B/G Midrange, Aristocrats, and Hexproof.

I don't want to play B/G Midrange or G/R Dragonmaster mirrors. I feel like mulligans aside, those simply come down to the die rolls. I think I'm leaning toward something like this:

[deck]
Land (25)
4x Blood Crypt
4x
Dragonskull Summit
10x Mountain
3x Mutavault
2x Rakdos Guildgate
2x Swamp

Instant (6)
2x Doom Blade
4x Searing Spear

Planeswalker (3)
3x Chandra, Pyromaster

Creature (17)
4x Ash Zealot
4x Chandra's Phoenix
2x Exava, Rakdos Blood Witch
4x Falkenrath Aristocrat
3x Thundermaw Hellkite

Sorcery (9)
3x Bonfire of the Damned
1x Dreadbore
3x Pillar of Flame
2x Rakdos's Return

Sideboard (15)
3x Tribute to Hunger
3x Boros Reckoner
1x Doom Blade
3x Olivia Voldaren
1x Rakdos's Return
2x Dreadbore
2x Sire Of Insanity
[/deck]

I can burn out aggro and hopefully keep a handle on G/R Dragonmaster with all the removal. And with all the haste I really don't have a dead top-deck against a control opponent. I wouldn't expect much of a mirror to this, except maybe in the form of B/R Zombies or a true Dos Rakis build.

Thoughts?

[redthirst]

The Hammer I picked up as soon as it was spoiled - got 4 for $6.00 shipped.
The Temple I waited a few days for initial prices to drop since everyone thought they were shit - got 4 for $15.00
The Satyr I just picked up for like $5.00.
Fanatics were $2.00 a playset and Strike was $1.00.

[Alex]

You want to be playing Charlie Murphy in a meta like that. GR cannot beat Mutilate.

[rcwraspy]

And maybe Sire should be Zealous Conscripts in the board.

[DroppinSuga]

I really need an eBay account.

[rcwraspy]

You want to be playing Charlie Murphy in a meta like that. GR cannot beat Mutilate.

Well, it is the deck I'm most familiar with, and the one I've had the most success with. Just stick to my guns and run it I guess. Maybe I was trying to be too cute and "attack the meta" with the above list.

Thanks!

[redthirst]

[quote="rcwraspy » Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:41 am"]Ok Redbros, need a little help.

I'm going to a $5k tomorrow and still haven't decided what to run. Unfortunately I haven't played very much since M14 came out because Law School has kept me so busy. But I have all the cards I need from M14 to make things.

I'm comfortable with the following decks, and have the cards I'd need for them:
B/G Midrange
Dos Rakis
AIR
KDW
G/R Dragonmaster
Gruul Burning Tree aggro

In the Boston area at a large event you can pretty much expect to run across every archetype, but it's usually very net-decked and leans control. I'm expecting a lot of:
U/W/x
Jund
G/R Dragonmaster

With a smattering of B/G Midrange, Aristocrats, and Hexproof.

I don't want to play B/G Midrange or G/R Dragonmaster mirrors. I feel like
mulligans aside, those simply come down to the die rolls. I think I'm leaning toward something like this:

[deck]
Land (25)
4x Blood Crypt
4x Dragonskull Summit
10x Mountain
3x Mutavault
2x Rakdos Guildgate
2x Swamp

Instant (6)
2x Doom Blade
4x Searing Spear

Planeswalker (3)
3x Chandra, Pyromaster

Creature (17)
4x Ash Zealot
4x Chandra's Phoenix
2x Exava, Rakdos Blood Witch
4x Falkenrath Aristocrat
3x Thundermaw Hellkite

Sorcery (9)
3x Bonfire of the Damned
1x Dreadbore
3x Pillar of Flame
2x Rakdos's Return

Sideboard (15)
3x Tribute to Hunger
3x Boros Reckoner
1x Doom Blade
3x Olivia Voldaren
1x Rakdos's Return
2x Dreadbore
2x Sire Of Insanity
[/deck]

I can burn out aggro and hopefully keep a handle on G/R Dragonmaster with all the removal. And with all the haste I really don't have a dead top-deck against a control opponent. I wouldn't expect much of a mirror to this, except maybe in the form of B/R Zombies or a true Dos Rakis build.

Thoughts?[/
quote]

Here's Dos Rakis:

[deck]Creatures: 28
4 Stromkirk Noble
4 Rakdos Cackler
2 Stonewright
4 Ash Zealot
4 Spike Jester
3 Boros Reckoner
4 Falkenrath Aristocrat
3 Thundermaw Hellkite

Spells: 8
4 Pillar of Flame
4 Searing Spear

Lands: 24
4 Blood Crypt
4 Godless Shrine
4 Dragonskull Summit
12 Mountains

Sideboard: 15
3 Rakdos's Return
3 Olivia Voldaren
4 Dreadbore
4 Mizzium Mortars
1 Boros Reckoner[/deck]

SB:
Control: -4 Pillar, -3 Reckoner; +4 Dreadbore, +3 Return
Midrange: -4 Noble, -4 Cackler, -4 Pillar; +3 Olivia, +1 Reckoner, +4 Mortars, +4 Dreadbore
Aggro: -4 Noble, -4 Cackler, -2 Stonewright; +3 Olivia, +1 Reckoner, +4/3 Mortars, +2/3 Dreadbore

Quick, dirty, easy. May be a little dated, though - I haven't actually played it in a month.

[Alex]

You want to be playing Charlie Murphy in a meta like that. GR cannot beat Mutilate.

Well, it is the deck I'm most familiar with, and the one I've had the most success with. Just stick to my guns and run it I guess. Maybe I was trying to be too cute and "attack the meta" with the above list.

Thanks!

It has basically everything a deck could want right now; a board wipe for aggro, Scavenging Ooze for flash, Thragtusk for everything in between, and Desecration Demon for winning.

[DroppinSuga]

Swagtusk for showing that you love fat hogs.

[warwizard87]

Some one asked earlier why rdws vs midrange red, #1 I'm more familer with rdws then red midrange. So I'm more comfortable with that style of deck and have more confidence in my abilities to play rdws ins unknown format. #2 card selection, to be honest picking the right mix for big red is more difficult then picking the right mix for rdws, for big red I have to play the right cards for the right deck. In a undefined meta this is more difficult to do. #3 price, I am on a budget. I hate using that as excuse but its true. Rdws is easier and cheaper to build then big red. #4 consistency, the rdws will be more consistent at a event like states, which is what I am gunning for. Its going to punish the untuned decks many people bring to states or even the tuned ones who don't draw that piece of removal or miss a land drop.

Those 4 reasons combine to make my deck choice.

[Shardoon]

This is exactly how we're going to roll post rotation:

---

Franck438 is ready to start the game.
Shardoon has loaded a deck (ilf722od).
Shardoon is ready to start the game.
The game has started.

It is now Shardoon's turn.

It is now the untap step.
Shardoon rolls a 14 with a 20-sided die.
Franck438 rolls a 5 with a 20-sided die.
Franck438 shuffles his library.
Franck438 shuffles his library.
Franck438 shuffles his library.
Franck438 shuffles his library.
Shardoon draws his initial hand.
Franck438 shuffles his library.
Franck438 draws his initial hand.
 Shardoon: gl
ip
kp
It is now the draw step.
 Franck438: kp
It is now the first main phase.
Shardoon puts Mountain into play from hand.
Shardoon taps Mountain.
Shardoon puts Firedrinker Satyr into play from hand.
It is now the second main phase.
It
is now the ending phase.

It is now Franck438's turn.

It is now the untap step.
Franck438 draws 1 card(s).
Franck438 puts Temple of Silence into play tapped from hand.
Franck438 is looking at the top 1 card(s) of his library.
Franck438 puts a card from library on bottom of his library.
Franck438 stops looking at his library.
It is now the ending phase.

It is now Shardoon's turn.

It is now the untap step.
Shardoon untaps his permanents.
It is now the upkeep step.
It is now the draw step.
Shardoon draws 1 card(s).
It is now the first main phase.
Shardoon puts Mountain into play from hand.
It is now the beginning of combat step.
It is now the declare attackers step.
Shardoon taps Firedrinker Satyr.
Franck438 sets counter life to 19 (-1).
Franck438 sets counter life to 18 (-1).
It is now the combat damage step.
It is now the second main phase.
[b:
267q98rn]Shardoon taps Mountain[/b].
Shardoon taps Mountain.
Shardoon puts Rakdos Cackler into play from hand.
Shardoon puts Firedrinker Satyr into play from hand.
Shardoon places 1 red counter(s) on Rakdos Cackler (now 1).
It is now the ending phase.

It is now Franck438's turn.

It is now the untap step.
Franck438 untaps his permanents.
Shardoon sets PT of Rakdos Cackler to 2/2.
Franck438 draws 1 card(s).
Franck438 puts Temple of Deceit into play from hand.
Franck438 taps Temple of Deceit.
Franck438 is looking at the top 1 card(s) of his library.
Franck438 puts a card from library on bottom of his library.
Franck438 stops looking at his library.
It is now the ending phase.

It is now Shardoon's turn.

It is now the untap step.
Shardoon untaps his permanents.
It is now the upkeep step.
It is now the draw step.
Shardoon draws 1
card(s).
It is now the first main phase.
Shardoon puts Mountain into play from hand.
Shardoon taps Mountain.
Shardoon taps Mountain.
Shardoon taps Mountain.
Shardoon puts Chandra's Phoenix into play from hand.
It is now the declare attackers step.
Shardoon taps Rakdos Cackler.
Shardoon taps Firedrinker Satyr.
Shardoon taps Firedrinker Satyr.
Shardoon taps Chandra's Phoenix.
It is now the combat damage step.
Franck438 sets counter life to 17 (-1).
Franck438 sets counter life to 16 (-1).
Franck438 sets counter life to 15 (-1).
Franck438 sets counter life to 14 (-1).
Franck438 sets counter life to 13 (-1).
Franck438 sets counter life to 12 (-1).
Franck438 sets counter life to 11 (-1).
Franck438 sets counter life to 10 (-1).
It is now the ending phase.

It is now Franck438's turn.

It is now the untap step.
Franck438 untaps his permanents.
nFranck438 draws 1 card(s).
Franck438 puts Temple of Deceit into play tapped from hand.
Franck438 is looking at the top 1 card(s) of his library.
Franck438 stops looking at his library.
It is now the ending phase.

It is now Shardoon's turn.

It is now the untap step.
Shardoon untaps his permanents.
It is now the upkeep step.
It is now the draw step.
Shardoon draws 1 card(s).
It is now the first main phase.
Shardoon taps Mountain.
Shardoon taps Mountain.
Shardoon puts Ash Zealot into play from hand.
It is now the beginning of combat step.
 Franck438: jeesus
It is now the declare attackers step.
Shardoon taps Ash Zealot.
Shardoon taps Rakdos Cackler.
Shardoon taps Firedrinker Satyr.
Shardoon taps Firedrinker Satyr.
Shardoon taps Chandra's Phoenix.
[b:
267q98rn]Franck438 has conceded the game.[/b]
Franck438 has unlocked his sideboard.

[Helios]

http://www.starcitygames.com/article/26 ... Bombs.html

On Painted Stone:
"Looking at the deck, you can see there really isn't anything it can do against Sneak and Show."

No. Just no. Looking at the deck, you see that there are 6 turn 0/1 counters for sneak & show. Plus turn 1 Blood Moon is a thing; if you get that before they crack a fetch and they don't have an Island, that's pretty much game.

#rage

[rcwraspy]

It's possible what I posted earlier is just a powered-down version of Jund since it's missing Farseek, Huntmaster, and Thragtusk. I suppose the intention was to make something people wouldn't see coming, could handle Aggro and Dragonmaster, and could punish control.

Redthirst - thanks for the Dos Rakis list and SB plan. I ran that exact (well, 1 Mortars in side was a Tribute to Hunger, but rest was same) list and SB plan at an event a few months ago and did fairly well. I think the issue with a true Dos Rakis build right now, though, is that game 1 it's just a very tough matchup against Dragonmaster or big Naya. They ramp into the same fatty you're playing and punish you with it more quickly. Games 2 and 3 you can deal with it since you're siding into a more controlling strategy, but you're still on the back foot the whole time.

[redthirst]

It's possible. Like I said, I haven't actually played it in a while - and I don't think I've played it at a competitive anything since M14.

[DroppinSuga]

thirst, when you go to a tourney do you need to register your crankshaft as well?

[rcwraspy]

thirst, when you go to a tourney do you need to register your crankshaft as well?

Of course he does. People always want to know who's the beatdown.

[rcwraspy]

I just realized that they reprinted Wild Guess in M14. I think that makes it into some R/x control builds after rotation.

[warwizard87]

This is exactly how we're going to roll post rotation:

---

Franck438 is ready to start the game.
Shardoon has loaded a deck (ilf722od).
Shardoon is ready to start the game.
The game has started.

It is now Shardoon's turn.

It is now the untap step.
Shardoon rolls a 14 with a 20-sided die.
Franck438 rolls a 5 with a 20-sided die.
Franck438 shuffles his library.
Franck438 shuffles his library.
Franck438 shuffles his library.
Franck438 shuffles his library.
Shardoon draws his initial hand.
Franck438 shuffles his library.
Franck438 draws his initial hand.
 Shardoon: gl
ip
kp
It is now the draw step.
 Franck438: kp
It is now the first main phase.
Shardoon puts Mountain into play from hand.
Shardoon taps
Mountain.
Shardoon puts Firedrinker Satyr into play from hand.
It is now the second main phase.
It is now the ending phase.

It is now Franck438's turn.

It is now the untap step.
Franck438 draws 1 card(s).
Franck438 puts Temple of Silence into play tapped from hand.
Franck438 is looking at the top 1 card(s) of his library.
Franck438 puts a card from library on bottom of his library.
Franck438 stops looking at his library.
It is now the ending phase.

It is now Shardoon's turn.

It is now the untap step.
Shardoon untaps his permanents.
It is now the upkeep step.
It is now the draw step.
Shardoon draws 1 card(s).
It is now the first main phase.
Shardoon puts Mountain into play from hand.
It is now the beginning of combat step.
It is now the declare attackers step.
Shardoon taps Firedrinker Satyr.
Franck438 sets counter
life to 19 (-1).
Franck438 sets counter life to 18 (-1).
It is now the combat damage step.
It is now the second main phase.
Shardoon taps Mountain.
Shardoon taps Mountain.
Shardoon puts Rakdos Cackler into play from hand.
Shardoon puts Firedrinker Satyr into play from hand.
Shardoon places 1 red counter(s) on Rakdos Cackler (now 1).
It is now the ending phase.

It is now Franck438's turn.

It is now the untap step.
Franck438 untaps his permanents.
Shardoon sets PT of Rakdos Cackler to 2/2.
Franck438 draws 1 card(s).
Franck438 puts Temple of Deceit into play from hand.
Franck438 taps Temple of Deceit.
Franck438 is looking at the top 1 card(s) of his library.
Franck438 puts a card from library on bottom of his library.
Franck438 stops looking at his library.
It is now the ending
phase.

It is now Shardoon's turn.

It is now the untap step.
Shardoon untaps his permanents.
It is now the upkeep step.
It is now the draw step.
Shardoon draws 1 card(s).
It is now the first main phase.
Shardoon puts Mountain into play from hand.
Shardoon taps Mountain.
Shardoon taps Mountain.
Shardoon taps Mountain.
Shardoon puts Chandra's Phoenix into play from hand.
It is now the declare attackers step.
Shardoon taps Rakdos Cackler.
Shardoon taps Firedrinker Satyr.
Shardoon taps Firedrinker Satyr.
Shardoon taps Chandra's Phoenix.
It is now the combat damage step.
Franck438 sets counter life to 17 (-1).
Franck438 sets counter life to 16 (-1).
Franck438 sets counter life to 15 (-1).
Franck438 sets counter life to 14 (-1).
Franck438 sets counter life to 13 (-1).
Franck438 sets counter life to 12 (-1).
Franck438 sets counter life to 11 (-1).
nFranck438 sets counter life to 10 (-1).
It is now the ending phase.

It is now Franck438's turn.

It is now the untap step.
Franck438 untaps his permanents.
Franck438 draws 1 card(s).
Franck438 puts Temple of Deceit into play tapped from hand.
Franck438 is looking at the top 1 card(s) of his library.
Franck438 stops looking at his library.
It is now the ending phase.

It is now Shardoon's turn.

It is now the untap step.
Shardoon untaps his permanents.
It is now the upkeep step.
It is now the draw step.
Shardoon draws 1 card(s).
It is now the first main phase.
Shardoon taps Mountain.
Shardoon taps Mountain.
Shardoon puts Ash Zealot into play from hand.
It is now the beginning of combat step.
 Franck438: jeesus
It is now the declare attackers step.
nShardoon taps Ash Zealot.
Shardoon taps Rakdos Cackler.
Shardoon taps Firedrinker Satyr.
Shardoon taps Firedrinker Satyr.
Shardoon taps Chandra's Phoenix.
Franck438 has conceded the game.
Franck438 has unlocked his sideboard.

That's what I am hopeing happens every round at states hah

[Kazekirimaru]

I still don't understand why a green hydra has haste.

[rcwraspy]

I still don't understand why a green hydra has haste.

Because it's Xenagos's best friend, and is therefore a Gruul card at heart.

[DroppinSuga]

I still don't understand why a green hydra has haste.

You don't need to understand it, you just need to accept it. - MarRo

[redthirst]

I still don't understand why a green hydra has haste.

You don't need to understand it, you just need to accept it. - MarRo

That's my line.

[Kazekirimaru]

Out-of-flavor cards give me hives.

[DroppinSuga]

Take some Benadryl then.