[Fedoras of Salvation] - White Knights ITT

photodyer · Postby **photodyer** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:11 am

Re: Manticore not having hexproof - Hey look it has bestow so you have to kill it twice!

Re: Bestowing the manticore--shoot the target out from under the Bestow...problem solved.

Helios · Postby **Helios** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:12 am

People trying to figure out what deck they're going to play post-rotation when they still have 106 cards to spoil make me chuckle. My playtest buddy was doing it all day today and I was like "DUDE. CHILL."

JS: have you tried the Nykthos devotion lists ala Eric Smith? Hilariously fun.

Photo: Oh look, now you have to kill it again

RaidaTheBlade · Postby **RaidaTheBlade** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:14 am

Actually, I hate to say it, but rakdos minotaurs might be possible. A lot of them have 3 toughness, which gets past the sweeper...

Also, yeah I know Helios... I just get overeager...

photodyer · Postby **photodyer** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:15 am

I'm still having problems figuring out how I wanna play it come born. It's looking like the current style of aggro might not be enough, with black having that sweeper...

I'm liking the idea of a rakdos midrange, but everything I try seems to have one issue or another e.e

As it should be...a format is at its best when no given deck can dominate all other strategies. Delver Standard got annoying that way...there were a number of decent deck strategies that never really had a chance to shine because of UW Delver.

photodyer · Postby **photodyer** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:20 am

Photo: Oh look, now you have to kill it again

Need more caffeine...forgot that Bestow is an exception to the stack rule on enchantments (I haven't played with them enough to question it). You are in the right, friend Helios--my bad.

RaidaTheBlade · Postby **RaidaTheBlade** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:30 am

I didn't even mean it that way photo. Big glaring holes issues is what these are...

My temptation is to load up on 4/5 drop creatures and then run a lot of kill, but then the deck get criticized for being too slow. But if I fit in more creature that are faster,it feels like it'll fold to mono-black and it's sweeper, which I can't do...

Blargle.

Kazekirimaru · Postby **Kazekirimaru** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:30 am

I'll make that Manticore work somehow. It's my obligation as a johnny to make things work.

Or i'll just put it in an EDH deck with Child of Alara or something.

Either way.

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:31 am

People trying to figure out what deck they're going to play post-rotation when they still have 106 cards to spoil make me chuckle. My playtest buddy was doing it all day today and I was like "DUDE. CHILL."

JS: have you tried the Nykthos devotion lists ala Eric Smith? Hilariously fun.

Photo: Oh look, now you have to kill it again

Not interested. It plays with too many cards I dislike.

I don't imagine it being all that fun for me personally either.

It's like "Do I have Nykthos?"

"Yes, I win."

"No? I have to play a fair game with terrible cards."

I also don't like decks that lean that heavily
on one card.

photodyer · Postby **photodyer** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:41 am

My temptation is to load up on 4/5 drop creatures and then run a lot of kill, but then the deck get criticized for being too slow. But if I fit in more creature that are faster,it feels like it'll fold to mono-black and it's sweeper, which I can't do...

Blargle.

No, if you run 4-and 5-drop creatures and boodles of removal your deck gets called Midrange Control, and is subject to the impact of the meta on such decks. Jund last season was hardly even what one could call a deck because it lacked cohesion--it was a pile of good cards--but it was a strong player in the meta on 18-ish creatures and lots of removal. BG and BW mid/control were by the same token reasonable choices that could top out any tournament, though they were weak to blitz
strategies that could kill them before they could stabilize.

What would draw criticism would be trying to build a deck with an aggro strategy and including a bunch of high-cost drops and no means of casting them early--that gets called "too slow" because you're not controlling the board to pave the way for your big monsters to take over.

DarthStabber · Postby **DarthStabber** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:44 am

Chromanticore so cool looking, don't care if unplayable crap, must have foil!

Hate 3/1 no draws guy, working on nekusar and it poops on my deck, hard. Oh well, glad I am going the removal heavy route.

Alex · Postby **Alex** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:29 am

People trying to figure out what deck they're going to play post-rotation when they still have 106 cards to spoil make me chuckle. My playtest buddy was doing it all day today and I was like "DUDE. CHILL."

Its pretty easy to speculate on, anyway. There are hundreds of cards already in the pool that we know about. If you really wanted to try out an archetype but couldn't make it work due to a hostile meta, the weeks following a new set are the prime times to do it. I've wanted to play RB or Grixis control for a while, so I'm going to use the chaos to settle on a list that I like and adjust it accordingly as things settle down.

MattT · Postby **MattT** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:08 am

That UB thing again. I got thinking of Devotion instead and the MonoB shell again. Lazav [mana]BBUU[/mana] + Underworld Connections [mana]1BB[/mana] = online Phenax. The two cogs to get him animated is a Hexproof guy who alings well with your Dimir suite of counters and removals, plus a hard to remove card draw. Seems like a pretty safe bet to get a huge indestructible guy with an additional upside (probably discard of some sort).

You´d wreck MonoB and Aggro with the Scatters (plus something). Control would have little and nothing that effects but sweepers to touch your devotion. And boy are they in trouble if you hit their Aetherling with Seize.

Say:

4 Pack Rat
4 Lazav, Dimir Mastermind
4 Desecration Demon
4 Phenax

4 Thoughtseize
4 Dimir Charm/Pharikas Cure/Bile Blight/Drown in Sorrow
4 Essence Scatter
4 Hero´s Downfall
4 Underworld Connections

24 land

All supposing
Phenax isn´t a completely worthless...

zemanjaski · Postby **zemanjaski** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:22 am

I just hope Phenax is a win-con card; like passive mill or sonething so I can be ultra lazy.

Khaospawn · Postby **Khaospawn** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:31 am

But yeah, trying purple with blue highlights, and the highlighting cap hurts cause you poke a miniuature crochet needle through tiny holes in it and pull your hair through.

No. Just...no.

zemanjaski · Postby **zemanjaski** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:53 am

MattT · Postby **MattT** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:03 am

I just hope Phenax is a win-con card; like passive mill or sonething so I can be ultra lazy.

Discard when you play a guy. Pack Rat ftw!

Khaospawn · Postby **Khaospawn** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:29 am

e.e

e.e

Platypus · Postby **Platypus** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:41 am

ә.ә

zemanjaski · Postby **zemanjaski** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:51 am

Working on this in modern.

[deck]Next Level Cuneo[/deck]
Creatures
4 Snapcaster Mage
4 Vendillion Clique

Artifacts
1 Batterskull
3 Vedalken Shackles

Instants
4 Cryptic Command
4 Electrolyze
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Mana Leak
2 Spell Snare
4 Think Twice

Lands
1 Breeding Pool
2 Misty Rainforest
4 Scalding Tarn
4 Steam Vents
2 Sulfur Falls
4 Tectonic Edge

8 Island
1 Mountain

Sideboard
2 Ancient Grudge
1 Batterskull
1 Crucible of Worlds
1 Dispel
1 Engineered Explosives
1 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Magma Spray
1 Negate
2 Pyroclasm
2 Relic of Progenitus
2 Sowing Salt
[/deck]

This is untuned, but I'm actually excited to play a deck in the format.

#unbanJTMS

zemanjaski · Postby **zemanjaski** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 12:03 pm

Signature Crucible of Worlds too.

zemanjaski · Postby **zemanjaski** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:17 pm

http://www.zimbio.com/quiz/Ukldm8Pi5Ub/ ... +Character

I got Obi-Wan Kenobi.

zemanjaski · Postby **zemanjaski** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:20 pm

Fucking spoil Phenax already, and let him cost 1UB because Thassa turned out to be balanced.

zemanjaski · Postby **zemanjaski** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:21 pm

Let his passive be mill 3 + secondary effect so I can turn 3 Phenax then durdle until you die.

zemanjaski · Postby **zemanjaski** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:21 pm

PRINT A BETTER DROWNYARD

zemanjaski · Postby **zemanjaski** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:24 pm

I lay odds Redthirst gets Han Solo.

Alex will probably get Leia.

zemanjaski · Postby **zemanjaski** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:45 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgeKfzD5PlU

DroppinSuga · Postby **DroppinSuga** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:53 pm

I got Luke Skywalker somehow.

zemanjaski · Postby **zemanjaski** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:54 pm

I would have assumed garbage compactor monster

DroppinSuga · Postby **DroppinSuga** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:55 pm

You're off your game.

zemanjaski · Postby **zemanjaski** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:56 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQfqmvf9Ddw

zemanjaski · Postby **zemanjaski** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:56 pm

I don't have a game, I call it as I see it and move on.

zemanjaski · Postby **zemanjaski** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:58 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQfqmvf9Ddw

+1

zemanjaski · Postby **zemanjaski** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:59 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQjh9H-ymK4

zemanjaski · Postby **zemanjaski** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 2:04 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IvoHN3mgpM

zemanjaski · Postby **zemanjaski** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 2:06 pm

They were all in love with dying
They were drinking from a fountain
That was pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain

Some will die in hot pursuit in fiery auto-crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit will sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life that is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain

zemanjaski · Postby **zemanjaski** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 2:08 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgSPaXgAdzE

DroppinSuga · Postby **DroppinSuga** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 2:14 pm

7 - Post bad Youtube videos Zem

zemanjaski · Postby **zemanjaski** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 2:15 pm

I think the best Smashing Pumpkins song is Disarm.

windstrider · Postby **windstrider** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 2:15 pm

Based on some of those musical selections, I think we need a new die roll for Zem: Stoned Zem.

zemanjaski · Postby **zemanjaski** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 2:16 pm

7 - Post bad Youtube videos Zem

I am in too good a mood to tell you what I think of you.

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