Gone Postal Mafia - Game Over - Scum Win

[Wraith223]

@REZ, Good call on the role PM example.

[hamfactorial]

Rez:

I'd like to hear what you have to say about Red after the chemicals wear off. He's a promising suspect, and the stuff going on after his claim has been very interesting to watch.

Vote RedNihilist

[rcwraspy]

Checking in just to say I have a c final tonight but will be back tomorrow.

[rezombad]

Checking in just to say I have a c final tonight but will be back tomorrow.

bring a .gif, a good one.

[Wraith223]

Nobody like Supernatural? Oh well.

[InflatablePie]

tell me more about what scum don't do, pie.

too big of a list, but I'd be glad to bring things up as they happened.

so red's essentially claiming a watcher for the mail mechanic? eh, I actually don't know one way or the other if I buy the claim. leaning slightly towards believing it actually, but I don't want rez lynched today and I don't know if we can get another wagon up in time. also it's not really a PR but eh.

how do I look at a single users' posts on here?

@red: what's your role PM flavor?

[imopen2]

I didn't think about the sample pm. Ok I'm still willing to lynch red or Rez. I guess we're leaning towards red? W/e...

Unvote

Vote: Red

[Wraith223]

Can't wait till the 8th as my air card replenishes. At least there were no crying babies in the library today. See you all tomorrow.

[Stardust]

how do I look at a single users' posts on here?

Right below a users postcount you can see "(View: All /In topic)". Click "In topic".

[RedNihilist]

tell me more about what scum don't do, pie.

too big of a list, but I'd be glad to bring things up as they happened.

so red's essentially claiming a watcher for the mail mechanic? eh, I actually don't know one way or the other if I buy the claim. leaning slightly towards believing it actually, but I don't want rez lynched today and I don't know if we can get another wagon up in time. also it's not really a PR but eh.

how do I look at a single users' posts on here?

@red: what's your role PM flavor?

I'm Myron Larabee, the
friend of the Austrian Death Machine in Jingle All The Way.

[RedNihilist]

Claiming: I'm a "town" mailer (actually, the word "town" isn't used anywhere in the PM, but I'm in the blue faction) with the ability of choosing another player and see who's sending him mail.
Besides, I thought that "OMGWraithSUX" was pretty much the standard here.

Why anyone would believe this pile of shit is beyond me. We have the best hard evidence and Red has played scum before. Thus he knows better as
compared to Jack (who might be scum protecting scum). Not moving my vote as he is still the best scum read.

Tunnel me more, please
Tell me more about my scum plays, I've played scum before! Point me out the similarities between the two games, come on!
You're not just saying that I'm scummier than Jack just because lightning is supposed to strike twice in the same point more often than not, are you?

[RedNihilist]

Besides: sorry guys, I should have played better, I hope you can at least scavenge some info from my corpse.

[RedNihilist]

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[Stardust]

Official Votecount!

hamfactorial (1): Captain Murphy
rezombad (1): Lord_Mcdonalds
Lord_Mcdonalds (3): Jack, rezombad, RedNihilist
RedNihilist (5): Wraith223, InflatablePie, rcwraspy, hamfactorial, imopen2
rcwraspy (1): DroppinSuga

Not voting: Cursed_Pride

With 12 alive, it is 7 to lynch.

[RedNihilist]

Red has a really good claim. He (correctly) explained that town is the blue faction, yet "town" is not explicitly stated in the label. He claimed a power role that is very believable in the context of this game. Sure, it's an easy one to make up, but the fact that we didn't get a counter claim for multiple days is evidence that he's probably telling the truth.

this shit is all in the fucking OP

Nice aggression here, drunkmobad.

Let's play a game: we've got a mail system, and I've claimed watcher.
Nobody counterclaimed.

So, I guess:
- you think a game
with a mail system is very unlikely to feature a role like that;
- you think the real watcher is hiding;
- your Tourette kicked in before your brain could shift back to his normal state.

Be kind and explain me your thoughts about my role, thanks.

[RedNihilist]

Unvote
Vote RedNihilist

That's L-1, I want to see a claim.

Unvote

Rez:

I'd like to hear what you have to say about Red after the chemicals wear off. He's a promising suspect, and the stuff going on after his claim has been very interesting to watch.

Vote RedNihilist

Nice
stunts here, bro.

[RedNihilist]

So: I'm town and everyone who thinks I'm not is not doing his homework properly.

I feel like imopen is town.
rezmo is taking approach which is of course good, more so in a game with lots of not-so-active players like this one; I think he's town but kudos to him if he's actually scum and trying to direct lynches.
For the same reason (trying to keep things going, rather than let the game freeze), I think Pie is safe as well.

Jack is null to me, and his reaction to my claim can either be genuine or a way to clear himself because he know I'm flipping mail watcher.

Wraith: There will be one day when I'll actually try to understand what's inside that head, but for now I'll keep my sanity.

[RedNihilist]

CM is very inactive nowadays, isn't he. Null.
I stand by my previous town read on Suga.

C_P is town (DUH).

[RedNihilist]

After the re-read I don't like voting LMD anymore.

Unvote

[RedNihilist]

raspy, are you scum with ham?

[rcwraspy]

holy diarrhea posts, rednihilist.

If you'd been this active all game I'd read these successive posts as town motivated. But you haven't been active, and now that the noose is almost around your neck you're getting really defensive. That's scum behavior, so my vote stays.

raspy, are you scum with ham?

No.

[RedNihilist]

I'm already hanging, I just want to generate content before being lynched.
Besides, if it weren't for the late Easter (21th April) combined with two italian national holydays (25th April and 1st May) that made my work a mess in the last month I would have been more active.

[rezombad]

how do I look at a single users' posts on here?

http://diestoremoval.com/search.php?t=2 ... r=rezombad

just change the name


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So I was going to do a bunch of things, but I'm glad red posted all that shit. Now I don't have to work at mafia.

cp is town
im town
rcwraspy is town
I like pie as town

cm null leaning town
suga leaning town, pure gut, dealwithit

wraith is a mystery wrapped in an enigma this game.
jack is also in the null region. though i want to say slightly scummy im just not sure here.

ham is in the null scum region, for every town post i read from him i read
something that makes me think he's not town

lmd scum leaning null. i need to reread, but seems scum
imopen scum leaning null. i need to reread him also, but i think he's scummy. though less scummy than lmd for sure

rednihilist: scum
-so ive been hung up on lmd, and i still think he's scummy but reds recent post spree has a lot to work with:

Red has a really good claim. He (correctly) explained that town is the blue faction, yet "town" is not explicitly stated in the label. He claimed a power role that is very
believable in the context of this game. Sure, it's an easy one to make up, but the fact that we didn't get a counter claim for multiple days is evidence that he's probably telling the truth.

this shit is all in the fucking OP

Nice aggression here, drunkmobad.

Let's play a game: we've got a mail system, and I've claimed watcher.
Nobody counterclaimed.

So, I guess:
- you think a game with a mail system is very unlikely to feature a role like that;
- you think the real watcher is hiding;
- your Tourette kicked in before your brain could shift back to his normal state.

Be kind and explain me your thoughts about my role, thanks.

He doesnt quote my post right after that says "the first shit" i.e. the blue and whatnot.
as far as the role it's not a real watcher as I read the claim, you just watch the mail so basically not a real watcher if this game has any pr's
way to name call though not a very good town mindset to just throw around neurological disorders as if they were insults.

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Unvote
Vote RedNihilist

That's L-1, I want to see a claim.

Unvote

[quote="hamfactorial » Mon May 05, 2014 6:51 pm":
2yyynv8p]Rez:

I'd like to hear what you have to say about Red after the chemicals wear off. He's a promising suspect, and the stuff going on after his claim has been very interesting to watch.

Vote RedNihilist

Nice stunts here, bro.[/quote]

nice something, he unvoted after the claim.

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raspy, are you scum with ham?

made me think of this post:

I'll be honest: while ham is 100% the most valuable lynch on this day, I'd rather lynch scum rather than hang him for info.

I guess I'll vote Jack for his selective lurking then.
It's not like he's going to be lynched
before being able to return active again.

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willing to hammer red, no longer drunk, AMA

[InflatablePie]

is it bad if I'm slightly leaning town on Red now but still want to vote him?

ISO him real quick - he interacts with Wraith early on, then asks Wraith about rez/ham. this shows a town mindset because Red himself is unsure of his reads on the two, so asking someone who may be a scumread of his (he suspects Wraith later I think? I can't tell what he's getting at when he talks to Wraith and voted LMD) of his opinion makes sense from a town perspective. shows he's trying to gather reads and whatnot

on the other hand that's about all I have and it's nothing completely solid. there's not much else to analyze. also, this is BAD logic, but I guess a mail-watcher isn't necessarily a confirmed town role? on the other hand, despite town not being in the sample PM, it's not enough to clear Red BUT I think scum would have a chance at missing that detail.

unvote for now. I'll revote if everyone
else refuses to move.

thing is we can also leave red alive, see if scum kill him, if not we analyze his results and we can lynch him if we still think he's scum tomorrow. this is probably a good plan.

SPEEDWAGON GO

still town - rez, ham, me, wraith, CM, Jack, C_P

others - red, LMD, rcw, imopen, Suga

looking at this, if I toss red into my townreads pile: LMD, rcw, imopen, Suga. I'm most sure of the townreads on Wraith and Jack (and me/CP obv), fairly certain on ham/rez but could be wrong possibly, and least sure on CM.

even if I'm wrong on one read (don't think I'm wrong on two unless red + townread is scum), I can eliminate two players from this lynch pool... maybe.

imopen's been showing what I think is town frustration recently. not liking his post on this page "oh right sample PM duh" and
some other things at the start of the game bugged me.

Suga I don't like still. He had a bad vote on the hamwagon IIRC but I don't know why he would avoid the Red wagon here unless he was scum and 1-2 of his buddies were on the wagon?

LMD I don't even know.

rcw's been in the background, mentioned this for a while now. Really not liking his vote on Red here.

rcw's my preferred vote on the four but I don't know. Ran over him real quick in ISO and can't read him for shit.

halp :<

[InflatablePie]

unvote
in case Stardust misses it in that block of text.

also, rezzy, nothing of what you said really 'damns' red as scum.
- use of language w/r/t "watcher" is not indicative of scum, nor is name-calling
- red pointing out ham's claim reaction isn't scummy
- I do not get the point on the last quote. also I've done the "person votes me, I call them scum with someone else who is also voting me" thing as both alignments, so if that's your point it's null

[Stardust]

Official Votecount!

hamfactorial (1): Captain Murphy
rezombad (1): Lord_Mcdonalds
Lord_Mcdonalds (2): Jack, rezombad
RedNihilist (4): Wraith223, rcwraspy, hamfactorial, imopen2
rcwraspy (1): DroppinSuga

Not voting: Cursed_Pride, RedNihilist, InflatablePie

With 12 alive, it is 7 to lynch.

Deadline is 71 hours from the time of this post.

[imopen2]

Yea I think I'm out on the red lynch for today. I haven't read the last 4-5 posts and I don't have time right now but I'm going back to my original

Unvote

Vote: Rez

[hamfactorial]

I'm having trouble (lozl, as usual, since I'm shit at mafia) figuring out what to do. I don't really feel good about lynching Red. I weakly suspect that he is scum, but also keep going back to the thought that a mislynch today puts us down 2 players tomorrow. In a small game, that makes me nervous.

C_P's experience of Red as playing differently as town in a previous game helped me hold my vote on him last night. Today, Red seems annoyed with us but resigned to his fate. I behaved similarly earlier when I thought I was dead, and when I was the day 1 lynch in Ragnarok.

Has he been lynched as scum in any other completed games?

[rezombad]

If you're not willing to lynch red or lmd, and you're not willing to make a compelling case against someone, you are voting no lynch.

[hamfactorial]

My vote is still on Red right now, and it was on LMD before that. I'm asking for some input from my team, not trying to waffle my way through day 1.

[rcwraspy]

If you're not willing to lynch red or lmd, and you're not willing to make a compelling case against someone, you are voting no lynch.

Well, there's another option. There's a wagon on you too.

[imopen2]

Can we just lynch Rez and see what happens?

[Captain Murphy]

I feel bad about my inactivity, I'll get on in the morning definitely this time, I've been too busy to do anything

[rcwraspy]

Can we just lynch Rez and see what happens?

I'm coming around to the idea but I still have red as a stronger scum read right now. I want to see that wagon through first.

[rezombad]

If you're not willing to lynch red or lmd, and you're not willing to make a compelling case against someone, you are voting no lynch.

There's a wagon on you too.

No there isn't.

[Wraith223]

Red is just flailing to me. Just telling me I am crazy does not clear a scum tell of asking for claim with low votes. Now he responds with scum hunting? Little late in my opinion. Also, its not that hard to fast read the thread and post something for town. The claim of being busy seem BS to me now that he had a decent vote count. His brain dump on the key board seems pushed if or he is just selling it harder as scum do. Keeping my vote on him as the attitude and multiple brain dump posts do not sit well with me.

Rez's point on the town email example in the OP puts in a stronger town setting to me, but he could be bussing Red. It's a theory.

This is the most indecisive bunch of players I have ever seen. Jack and Suga are pretty much useless this game on reads for town. LMD is not voting Red for the scum tell of claim question way to early. I don't get town this game. Unless.......We have the scum team tied up on
a vote of their own? Red, Rez, Jack, and LMD created very odd interactions with votes and posts when each they got wagoned. Jack was slightly defended by Rez, and Jack has been nearly silent on any votes. LMD was targeted by Cursed_Pride and a bandwagon quickly grew with Red asking the scum question. Red is called or bussed by Rez. LMD stoops responding and is silent. (think Red and and LMD can't be together in a scum team. Problem is created with Rez. If he is scum; LMD or Red is town.) Red's odd claim with the OP and Watcher seems made up, but he could have ignored/forgot the OP example. The watcher claim role does not feel town, unless its a tracker of sorts? Back to the interactions....CM, LMD, and Jack have been very silent on Red's scum tell and diarrhea of the key board. (Multiple posts that could have been condensed into one if checked properly in full editor seems hastily made. Sniping at me is not helping town at all either.) The three players mentioned are not helping town by being silent
now. We need to get a true group consensus for a vote or move on. Inflatablepie has made some good points on Red for being town, but more opinions would be nice.

@Mod, what's the status on CM? Is he alright or you going to replace him? We need more reads BAD. No one is talking to him and posting is extremely low on correspondence with other players. It's not helping town at all with a deadline.

[Wraith223]

CM! glad you are here! You got your post in before I sent mine. Thoughts?

[Wraith223]

Well my time at the library is ending and am leaving for the day. Might not be able to post anything tomorrow as family are coming over. "Shit relatives!"

See you all definitely Thursday!

[rcwraspy]

[quote="[url=viewtopic.php?p=224227#p224227:aabi2pk5]rezombad » Tue May 06, 2014 3:26 pm[/url:aabi2pk5]":aabi2pk5][quote="[url=viewtopic.php?p=224218#p224218:aabi2pk5]rcwraspy » Tue May 06, 2014 1:17 pm[/url:aabi2pk5]":aabi2pk5][quote="[url=viewtopic.php?p=224206#p224206:aabi2pk5]rezombad » Tue May 06, 2014 3:00 pm[/url:aabi2pk5]":aabi2pk5]If you're not willing to lynch red or lmd, and you're not willing to make a compelling case against someone, you are voting no lynch.[/quote:aabi2pk5]
There's a wagon on you too.[/quote:aabi2pk5]
No there isn't.[/quote:aabi2pk5]
LMD and Imopen have their votes on you right now and others have expressed interest in voting you or looking more deeply at your posts. That sounds like a wagon to me.

[rezombad]

If you're not willing to lynch red or lmd, and you're not willing to make a compelling case against someone, you are voting no lynch.

There's a wagon on you too.

No there isn't.

LMD and Imopen have their votes on you right now and others
have expressed interest in voting you or looking more deeply at your posts. That sounds like a wagon to me.

im pretty sure lmd is scum and he voted me OMGUS style, im also pretty sure i pointed that out when it happened.
imopen thinks im scum literally every game (except for boondocks, lol)
the fact that no one has actually cased me means there is no wagon. You're welcome to go ahead, it will help me get a solid read on you.