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Postby Valdarith » Wed Apr 01, 2015 12:52 pm

I hope this deck continues to lay low so Virulent Plague doesn't become a problem. The only counters to that strategy besides Erase are Outpost Siege on Dragons to burn them out or maybe Keranos.
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Postby windstrider » Wed Apr 01, 2015 2:19 pm

I'm torn between wanting to play a Red Devotion list with a possible splash for something or go with an R/B Aggro list.

Regardless, it seems like tokens are going to be a thing, so token hate is necessary.
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Postby Lightning_Dolt » Wed Apr 01, 2015 3:38 pm

Let's brew teh RB Aggro.

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Postby Pedrobear » Wed Apr 01, 2015 3:52 pm

Will test R/W old skewl tonight to see if it's still viable. Maybe adding B or going back to full Mardu.

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Postby hamfactorial » Wed Apr 01, 2015 3:57 pm

Let's brew teh RB Aggro.
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Postby windstrider » Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:07 pm

An idea:

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Lands 23
4 Bloodstained Mire
4 Temple of Malice
4 Swamp
11 Mountain

Creatures 27
4 Zurgo Bellstriker
4 Bloodsoaked Champion
4 Ire Shaman
4 Silumgar Assassin
1 Tymaret, the Murder King
2 Pitiless Horde
2 Goblin Heelcutter
4 Thunderbreak Regent
2 Kolaghan, the Storm's Fury

Spells 8
2 Ultimate Price
4 Lightning Strike
2 Act of Treason

Planeswalkers 2
2 Chandra, Pyromaster
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Assassin is an interesting card that I want to try out somewhere. It looks like it has potential.

Edited the spell selection and added in another creature to bring it to 60.
Let's brew teh RB Aggro.
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Postby GoblinWarchief » Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:58 pm

If i played rakdos i'm sure i would want 4 thoughtseize alongside rabblemaster and pitiless horde. Stripping a removal spell from their hand then jamming one of them could win a lot of games and could even make maindecking a couple duress acceptable.

I have some issues finding a decent 2 drop though. i don't want it to be double red because mana problems, and i don't want ire shaman as my only 2 drop because he is more a 3 and i am already playing rabbles and hordes. 1-2 tymarets are fine for sure, but then ?
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Postby Kaitscralt » Wed Apr 01, 2015 5:00 pm

who said RB aggro
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Postby Kaitscralt » Wed Apr 01, 2015 5:00 pm

name names
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Postby hamfactorial » Wed Apr 01, 2015 5:04 pm

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Postby hamfactorial » Wed Apr 01, 2015 5:04 pm

:ohdear:

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Postby Lightning_Dolt » Wed Apr 01, 2015 5:29 pm

Will test R/W old skewl tonight to see if it's still viable. Maybe adding B or going back to full Mardu.
Dromoka's Command makes chained to the rocks extra bad, so RW doesn't really make sense.

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Postby RedNihilist » Wed Apr 01, 2015 5:40 pm

Nowadays enchantment hate is everywhere.
RW is so last month.

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Postby Pedrobear » Wed Apr 01, 2015 6:16 pm

Completely forgot that mode. My bad.

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Postby lorddax » Wed Apr 01, 2015 9:17 pm

For those who've been grinding standard, whats in your gauntlet?

Do we have any decks we have more faith in than others or are we running a diverse red set? I'm on mono red aggro that goes to -4 fodder -4 hordeling +4 regents +4 sieges, but not sure if staying there is a good option as it lacks a way to recover if games start to stretch past t6.
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Postby Purp » Wed Apr 01, 2015 9:58 pm

Not playing token generators in mono red significantly weakens the power level and consistency of the deck.

Jeskai Aggro is the best deck in my opinion. It has the best ability to tweak for a meta game, and gives you plenty of ways out sideboard your opponent.

Also been toying with an esper aggro list from japan, it's real fun.
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Postby zemanjaski » Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:11 pm

Can you show me the esper aggro list?
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Postby Kaitscralt » Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:16 pm

sounds like shit
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Postby Khaospawn » Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:22 pm

I bet there's not enough Siege Rhino in it.
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Postby zemanjaski » Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:23 pm

If it's Japanese and kawaii I'm obligated to try it.
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Postby Purp » Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:24 pm

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Postby Purp » Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:25 pm

Sorry for shit quality
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Postby LP, of the Fires » Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:26 pm

_Soku_ Strikes again.
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Postby Lightning_Dolt » Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:27 pm

That's actually kinda sweet.

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Postby lorddax » Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:34 pm

[deck]Grixis Giggles[/deck]

Insert more looter effects and whatever instant or sorcery you want to cast over and over and over and over again. Ignores timing restrictions on sorceries :) Can also jump you WAY above the power curve if you want to go that route as well.
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Postby zemanjaski » Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:42 pm

Could I get a link? I don't know the art on most of the new cards.
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Postby Purp » Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:46 pm

[deck]

4x Temple of Enlightenment
4x Temple of Deceit
2x Swamp
3x Polluted Delta
2x Island
1x Temple of Silence
3x Caves of Koilos
2x Plains
3x Flooded Strand

4x Thoughtseize
1x Ultimate Price
4x Hero's Downfall
2x Duress
3x Dig Through Time
3x Anticipate
2x Defiant Strike
1x Murderous Cut

4x Seeker of the Way
4x Monastery Mentor
2x Tasigur, the Golden Fang

2x Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver
1x Sorin, Solemn Visitor
3x Myth Realized




Sideboard

2 Ultimate Price
2 Self-Inflicted Wound
2 Negate
1 Narset Transcendent
2 Erase
2 End Hostilities
1 Duress
2 Disdainful Stroke
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Postby LP, of the Fires » Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:47 pm

The BW warrior deck I posted is actually really good.

I highly recommend it, especially if you like non-interactive aggressive decks.
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Postby zemanjaski » Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:55 pm

Thanks Purp
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Postby LP, of the Fires » Wed Apr 01, 2015 11:01 pm

Secure the wastes just does so much in a 2-color agro deck. It lets you justify playing a higher land count(do to being a mana-sink) which is good because it makes it easier to get your colored-mana requirements.

It also DRASTICALLY increases the power level of your brutal hordechiefs which is otherwise a fragile high variance card in addition to making chief of the edge and sorin go from good to insane.

The most interesting thing so far is trying to figure out how to sideboard vs. aggressive decks. If it's just red agro, you can go all in on surge or righteousness, but whats more interesting is playing something normally very low-impact like chief of the edge which actually makes your guys reasonable as blockers since the red decks have so many token makers. Along the lines of playing bad creatures, if you want to go really deep, festering goblin is basically a 2-for-1 against them while being a 1-drop.
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Postby rcwraspy » Wed Apr 01, 2015 11:02 pm

4x dtk commons uncommons just arrived. Opened the box and the smell reminded me of starter packs of revised back in 94. Too bad no duals in this box.
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Postby Nuwen » Wed Apr 01, 2015 11:41 pm

Going a different direction - does anyone have any experience with arranging a play testing session for something they designed, either virtual or in person? Been working on a new card game for a couple years now and have a few mechanics / ideas I want to test before going further. Z-man Games liked the pitch but won't consider anything till theres a full prototype. Inspiration of game is D&D, MtG, WoW TCG PvE, Descent/HeroQuest, Pathfinder Adventure Card game.
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Tabletop Simulator has seen some pretty big functionality patches in the past ~4 months, but I don't have experience using it. I do know that a modding community for it exists, which is where I'd start researching. Again, no idea what the learning curve is like & the engine is still considered an early access release on steam.
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Postby Nuwen » Thu Apr 02, 2015 12:01 am

Ugh my r/b testing still didn't provide anything worth a writeup. I've iterated through that same list with about ~15 different mainboard changes, played a couple dozen sets against assorted netdecks. Additionally realized that I'm not even sure where the acceptable competitive bar is, besides UP THERE SOMEWHERE. ~70% win rate, where a VERY SIGNIFICANT(tm) number of those sets include game 1 win? Lower?

I also like to feel out derivative sensitivity, which is super annoying to track in a local cockatrice game. You can't clone or fork the gamestate, which is what I used to do with Arthur when we'd test - "okay, let's say I do this instead..."

Playing 1 drops of opposing colors doesn't seem doable with the current mana. Correct me if I'm wrong, this is observational and not yet supported by math
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Postby Purp » Thu Apr 02, 2015 12:10 am

Rb is not a deck. No need to waste time testing.
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Postby LP, of the Fires » Thu Apr 02, 2015 12:46 am

OK.

If you're going to play a deck, you need to figure out what the incentives are for playing it and how to make them work.

If we're going with RB agro, first thing is we need to figure out if we want to be base black, or base red, then figure out what we want from the other color to supplement our strategy. To go out of mono-red, you're either splashing for unconditional removal(chained to the rocks) or something supremely powerful that aids your strat(atarka's command). What black adds in things like downfall is more color intensive then chain, so I'd scratch Red splash black out of turn.

For Black agro, adding reach is actually a reasonably big deal, so I'd start with a black agro shell and just add burn spells and/or rabblmaster, though rabbles is less important since black already has quality 3s(pitiless horde/herald of torment).

The other more radical option is playing both colors equally and raising the curve which I actually did relatively successfully last format with the RB bestow deck utilizing mogis' warhound, herald of torment, and gnarled scarhide in concert with prophetic flamespeark along with high quality haste threats in exava and stormbreath. I think pedros played it a decent amount on modo and had success there.

You could try the middle ground approach as there are still most of the pieces, though I'm not sure how good it would be in this format as the cards are overall better and the painful mana would be a bigger issue. I'd start with Black agro splash red since black already has enough good cards to build a reasonable deck and being able to burn people out is enticing.

None of this covers the fact that whenever you brew, you're in danger of building a worse version of an existing deck, but that's always an issue in brewing and you largely just have to stay cognizant of that fact in your process.
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Beatdown is hard, though.


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Postby LP, of the Fires » Thu Apr 02, 2015 1:14 am

Unrelated, SCG players are very good at building GR agro and doing a shit job of it.
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Postby Jamie » Thu Apr 02, 2015 1:23 am

they really like their green cards unless your name is Adrian sullivan

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Postby LP, of the Fires » Thu Apr 02, 2015 1:26 am

It perpetuates that idea that Reid Duke and Kibler are the only players that know how to build green decks.
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Postby Valdarith » Thu Apr 02, 2015 2:41 am

Unrelated, SCG players are very good at building GR agro and doing a shit job of it.
This is the meta I live in. GR decks EVERYWHERE ALL THE TIME.
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Postby Valdarith » Thu Apr 02, 2015 3:23 am

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