[Primer] Boros Burn

[Lightning_Dolt]

9 in, 9 out vs control sounds good.

Although, to be honest, I didn't hate shock vs control running rams.

[Purp]

My thoughts exactly re: chandra purp. I think dropping the BL for anothe Chain might be ok, but it has been pretty clutch at times.

I like that BL is a catch to any problem cards we could see g1... See Whip. I typically don't need to draw more than one chain in G1 of any matchup because I already feel favored. 2 -1 Split seems fine.

[Lightning_Dolt]

Thpughts on the list posted above? Always trying to trim fat.

[Khaospawn]

Thpughts on the list posted above? Always trying to trim fat.

I'd rather play a Mortars instead of the new threaten, but other than that, I'd sleeve up that deck in a heartbeat.

[Purp]

[deck]Creatures:8
4 Eidolon of the Great Revel
4 Chandra's Phoenix

Spells:29
2 Chained to the Rocks
1 Banishing Light
3 Shock
4 Boros Charm
4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet
3 Searing Blood
4 Skullcrack
4 Warleader's Helix

Lands:23
2 Mana Confluence
9 Mountain
4 Mutavault
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Temple of Triumph

Sideboard:15
2 Chained to the Rocks
4 Firedrinker Satyr
2 Wear // Tear
4 Satyr Firedancer
1 Chandra, Pyromaster(+1)
2 Stormbreath Dragon(-1)[/deck]

If I had to play today that's what I would play. I think both Pyro and SBD are good vs control, I already feel favored vs control. If I expected more mirrors, I'd do 2 chandra 1 SBD.

[Lightning_Dolt]

Not feeling harness? I haven't sideboarded it in lately

[Purp]

I sideboard it in one matchup and never drew it. I can't imagine it ever doing significantly more than a Chandra would in that matchup. I also like that Chandra is good is in pretty much every matchup.

[Lightning_Dolt]

Chandra does much less versus monsters. We have no way to protect her so she's good for one damage and fogs a polukranos for a turn. Don't even usually get the falter because HEXPROOF IS COOL WOTC!

[Lightning_Dolt]

Harness is pretty much just for monsters and B/x.

[Khaospawn]

I'm going to out to play some Standard tonight (oddly enough, something I never do on a Monday).

I'm bringing this:

[deck]
Creatures 8
4 Eidolon of the great Revel
4 Chandra's Phoenix

Enchantment 3
3 Chained to the Rocks

Burn 26
3 Shock
3 Searing Blood
4 Magma Jet
4 Lightning Strike
4 Skullcrack
4 Boros Charm
4 Warleader's Helix

Land 23
4 Mutavault
4 Temple of Triumph
4 Sacred Foundry
2 Mana Confluence
9 Mountain

Sideboard 15
3 Satyr Firedancer
1 Chained to the Rocks
2 Mizzium Mortars
1 Blind Obedience
1 Spark Trooper
1 Chandra, Pyromaster
2 Stormbreath Dragon
4 Firedrinker Satyr
[/deck]

[dauntless268]

Purp, L_D, how would you SB vs. BW Control with Blood Baron and Obzedat? I do miss a Reprisal and/or Mortars in your SBs...

EDIT: I also wonder if 2 Wear/Tear is a bit too much. Is it for Control? Mind you people still play Fiendslayer Paladin

[Khaospawn]

Purp, L_D, how would you SB vs. BW Control with Blood Baron and Obzedat? I do miss a Reprisal and/or Mortars in your SBs...

They plan is simple : only get paired against Burn and B/g decks.

[Khaospawn]

Also, they kill the Batman.

[Khaospawn]

LD, what are your thoughts of trying a 1/1 split on Deicide and Wear//Tear?

[Elricity]

[quote="[url=viewtopic.php?p=229040#p229040:36g1kn4b]magicdownunder » Sun May 18, 2014 6:28 pm[/url:36g1kn4b]":36g1kn4b]Seems like lots of people are doing well, shame about the Bg match in top8 - but its nice too see victories against the Monster brews with the MD [card:36g1kn4b]Eidolon of the Great Revel[/card:36g1kn4b].



[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jItznJlrqHE:36g1kn4b]G2 R1 Naya Hexproof vs Rw Burn (MDU) SE 7098044[/url:36g1kn4b]
[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDjfVcQv6Eg:36g1kn4b]G2 R2 Naya Hexproof vs Rw Burn (MDU) SE 7098044[/url:36g1kn4b]
[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-ohjQ7AFjM:36g1kn4b]G2 R3 Naya Hexproof vs Rw Burn (MDU) SE 7098044[/url:36g1kn4b]

[/quote:36g1kn4b]

So it looks like the hexproof matchup is moving away from unwinnable. Interesting.

[billhc]

Hello guys! I need some help to buy an sideboard plan to a specific meta!

I'm using the magicdownunder old burn list.

[deck]// Lands 23
7 Mountain
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Temple of Triumph
3 Mutavault
1 Boros Guildgate
2 Temple of Silence
2 Temple of Malice

// Creatures 8
4 Young Pyromancer
4 Chandra's Phoenix
// Enchantments 3
3 Chained to the Rocks

// Burns 26
4 Skullcrack
4 Boros Charm
4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet
2 Flames of the Firebrand
4 Warleader's Helix
4 Shock
[/deck]

In my meta I got a BG devotion, BR devotion, GR monsters, Esper Control, Golgari Aggro and a RDW. Can you guys help me with a sideboard plan to this specific meta?

[Khaospawn]

Hello guys! I need some help to buy an sideboard plan to a specific meta!

I'm using the magicdownunder old burn list.

[deck]// Lands 23
7 Mountain
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Temple of Triumph
3 Mutavault
1 Boros Guildgate
2 Temple of Silence
2 Temple of Malice

// Creatures 8
4 Young Pyromancer
4 Chandra's Phoenix
// Enchantments 3
3 Chained to the Rocks

// Burns 26
4 Skullcrack
4 Boros Charm
4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet
2 Flames of the Firebrand
4 Warleader's Helix
4 Shock
[/deck]

In my meta I got a BG devotion, BR devotion, GR monsters, Esper Control, Golgari Aggro and a RDW. Can you guys help me with a sideboard plan to this specific meta?

Since you're on the YP$ plan, I'd start with 4 Mizzium Mortars. That much is
certain.

After that, you have all sorts of goodies:

Blind Obedience, Spark Trooper, Chandra, Firedrinker Satyr, Chained to the Rocks, Wear//Tear.

Whatever tickles your fancy.

[zenbitz]

No one likes 3 SFD 3 YP 3 EGR huh? I am actually on 2 Eidolons because I am still collecting them (4 YP).
I think I like 1 YP 3 EGR main, 3 SFD 2 YP side.

Getting the 2nd Eidolon down seems a little winmore.

Lighning Dolt, do you really play zero chains vs. control? I guess no one plays fiendslayer anymore (the fools)... although the occasionaly archangel is pretty bad too. I guess it's rare enough to wait for game 3.

[LP, of the Fires]

You win game 1 something like 80% of the time, so even if they play FSP and they draw it and they win g2, you can always adjust your plan game 3. What's most likely to happen though is they play Nightveil spector and you just clean it up with shock and go about your business.

[Lightning_Dolt]

@ KS: i don't think you need mizzium with firedancer. Deicide would work if we were interested in killing gods, but we're better just ignoring them (unless they're an active Thassa). Wear is just better at 1 cc.

@ dauntless: haven't played bw in over a week, but you just have to go for the T6 kill. Wear // tear is applicable vs control and courser decks. Most control has moved away from FSP and started playing ram.

@billhc: just run MDU's SB. Alternatively, read over the last few pages for advice. You can also check out my article a few pages back for my list / sb guide.

@ Zenbit: yes, zero chains. Can't afford dead cards. The longer the game goes, the worst your chances are. You need to throw everything at their face until they are at about 6 mana then you play whatever you can at EoT with skullcrack up (or bluffing it).

If they have FSP, they have it. Play your skullcracks accordingly.

I recently
played a game where I beat 2x FSP with multiple skullcracks.

[Khaospawn]

Mortars is awesome, dude!

[magicdownunder]

Purp, L_D, how would you SB vs. BW Control with Blood Baron and Obzedat? I do miss a Reprisal and/or Mortars in your SBs...

They plan is simple : only get paired against Burn and B/g decks.

Different meta!!

Ux Devotion and WB control which are non-existence the SCG or GPT circles make up 10% of our winning meta game online, so adjust accordingly since we can't all wear the same shoe (heck right now
with the rise of W and B aggro (and NVS again.....) I can recommend Fotfb without feeling bad )

@Dautless268: I just checked out goldfish, damn you've been on fire - your super secret Trooper tech is even been used by other random 4-0'ers and 3-1'ers.

[LP, of the Fires]

IDK why people don't play BW in paper. That deck is fire.

[BiddingMaster]

With my old list i had glares in the side because i couldnt beat fiendslayer paladin. Now that they are playing ram i find myself boarding out chains since a critter plus a burn spell kills it. Also they only play it as a 2-3 of and i dont see them draw them all that often. Ive seen it across the board only a small percent if the games that i have played. I like wear tear but im thinking of going back to glares to deal with brimaz along with detention sphere. The number of times i have needed an instant speed enchantment removal has been low enough fir me to consider it. Im thinking of going up to three chandra because we do have three enchantment removal and we have enough agression to force a sphere on our dudes. Right now im running ligjtning dolts list and so far im doing really well with it. Im not really feeling the dragons usefulness against control since they have elspeths. I also feel like we need some extra
inevitability against mono black. I have beaten the deck more times than i have lost with it but i think their draws were not really all that stellar. Also i think junk and bw will manhandle us without her.

[magicdownunder]

IDK why people don't play BW in paper. That deck is fire.

I share the same thoughts about Ux Devotion (people were actually shocked it did well ).

I havn't played in awhile but it seems like Green got hated out again (they didn't even last 2 weeks this time round), Small Aggro and BW Control are back while Esper/UW are still fighting for that No.1 control spot.

I wish I could just slam SBD in my 75 like L_S and Purp but dragons seem to have an adverse fear of doom blades.... so I'll stick with T//T as my preferred weapon against control.

@Online players: B Aggro and W aggro are still byes no? or with Master of the Feast and 2-4x Keening
Apparition gave them a real fighting chance?

[dpaine88]

Heres a Stacity premium article with MJ(Michael Jacob) playing 4 rounds with Burn.
http://www.starcitygames.com/article/28 ... ndard.html

EotGR sucked balls for him and honestly was pretty shitty for me.

I love YP$ and think I will be going back to that.

[Khaospawn]

Man, Monday Night Magic sucked major donkey balls last night. My brother, my friend, and I traveled 30 minutes to a different game store, where I end up getting paired against my brother and his B/g deck. After 2 fun games, I choke on mana in Game 3 to lose the match to him. In round 2 I get the BYE. In Round 3 I get paired against my friend and his U/W/R deck. After 2 fun games, I choke on mana in Game 3 to lose the match to him.

Before Round 4 starts, the store owner announces that Top 8 is already locked up, the remaining match doesn't matter (I'm assuming that all the people 'drew in.'), and that top 8 was going to begin playing for the prize(s).

Some kid walks up to me and says," I know our match doesn't matter, but do you still want to play? I'm on R/W Burn!"

I should've played him, but I didn'
t. I was tilted because I came all the way out here to face to new people and different decks, and all I ended up facing is my brother, my friend, and a chance to play against the Burn mirror (which, after FNM, I'm sick of playing against).

But all was not lost! I did find a shiny Boros Charm, which made the whole trip worthwhile.

[Khaospawn]

Anyways, moving forward, I'm now a huge fan of Eidolon. He's interesting in that even when he's irrelevant as a creature on the board, he's still impacting the boardstate. There's times where it's correct to side him out and times when to put him back in, all during the same match. I'm sad to not use Ash Zealot, but where Ash Zealot is outclassed early on more and more often, the Eidolon demands respect at all points in the game, both by you and your opponent.

[Purp]

yeaaaaaaaah

http://sales.starcitygames.com/deckdata ... Show+Decks

[Khaospawn]

yeaaaaaaaah

http://sales.starcitygames.com/deckdata ... Show+Decks

16 card sideboard

[Purp]

-1 Harness.

[Tyrael]

Haha that Constellation deck

I'm a fan

[Purp]

He's a guy at my LGS, he brewed it up nicely. He beat a control player by swinging with a 20/20 mutavault. Also, swing for 63 on a mono black aggro player haha.

[dpaine88]

So who else in the YP$ camp? EoGR just wasnt that great for me and YP has always been an awesome card for me in other decks.

Also, kinda up in the air with Mana Confluence vs Boros GG.

As MJ said in his video, there is not much action on turn 1 and 3, making it easy to play them. Life from Mana conf can def add up quick against aggro or mirror.

[Purp]

In 10 rounds of states I never had to play the Mana Confluence earlier than 3. Even when it was in my opener. YP$ forces you to SB into trying to play a grindier game, which is not where I want to be against BG Devo and Junk Control (sfd is SIGNIFICANTLY better in this matchup).

MJ piloted the deck terribly in every round of that video.

[LP, of the Fires]

I tried telling niggas, Strength of the fallen is a stupid card.

[magicdownunder]

So who else in the YP$ camp? EoGR just wasnt that great for me and YP has always been an awesome card for me in other decks.

Also, kinda up in the air with Mana Confluence vs Boros GG.

As MJ said in his video, there is not much action on turn 1 and 3, making it easy to play them. Life from Mana conf can def add up quick against aggro or mirror.

I've been on the YP$ and GG camp since the beginning, YP$ works better in a boarder more fleshed out meta game compared with Revel which is very effective at striking a very particular meta (Control and Mirror - Young is better vs Black and everything else including jund and junk (though it does require some long term planning to see why)), I think the only reason why you'll want Revel MD is for the
Dancers in the SB which are better for the non-removal heavy MUs like Gx Devo, Dredge, Ux Devo, B aggro and W aggro (vs jund or junk using two burn on someones face only to have your dancer removed is VERY painful (esp. if that burn could of been pointed at the creature), thus I prefer Reprisal, MM or Fated Conflagration in those MUs).

Last Time

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Here is the current list I'm running:

[deck=MDU's Rw Burn]Lands 23
8 Mountain
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Temple of Triumph
3 Mutavault
2 Boros Guildgate
1 Temple of Malice
1 Temple of Silence

Creatures 08
4 Chandra's Phoenix
4 Young Pyromancer

Exile 03
2 Chained to the Rocks
1 Banishing Light

Burn 26
4 Boros Charm
4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet
4 Shock
4 Skullcrack
4 Warleader's Helix
2 Searing Blood

Sideboard 15
4 Toil // Trouble
4 Eidolon of the Great Revel
3 Mizzium Mortars
2 Chained to the Rocks
1 Fated Conflagration
1 Reprisal[/deck]

I've taken three SE events with it so far, so I'm
liking it.

SE Report 7098044
G1 R1 RDW vs Rw Burn (MDU) SE 7098044
G1 R2 RDW vs Rw Burn (MDU) SE 7098044
G1 R3 RDW vs Rw Burn (MDU) SE 7098044

G2 R1 Naya Hexproof vs Rw Burn (MDU) SE 7098044
G2 R2 Naya Hexproof vs Rw Burn (MDU) SE 7098044
G2 R3 Naya Hexproof vs Rw Burn (MDU) SE 7098044

G3 Split

SE
Report 7098125
G1 R1 RDW vs Rw Burn (MDU) SE 7098125
G1 R2 RDW vs Rw Burn (MDU) SE 7098125

G2 R1 Bx Devotion vs Rw Burn (MDU) SE 7098125
G2 R2 Bx Devotion vs Rw Burn (MDU) SE 7098125

G3 Split

Short Animation about the Mirrodin (plane)

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3Sr6LBTWNI

One of our earlier works.... make sure to visit link for more

[zemanjaski]

Revel is better if you don't want to interact.

I'll be attending a 5K this weekend with YP$ in the main. Having spoken with MJ about YP$ vs. Eidolon, I would prefer to play the version that most leverages play skill edge over my opponents.

[zemanjaski]

In 10 rounds of states I never had to play the Mana Confluence earlier than 3. Even when it was in my opener. YP$ forces you to SB into trying to play a grindier game, which is not where I want to be against BG Devo and Junk Control (sfd is SIGNIFICANTLY better in this matchup).

MJ piloted the deck terribly in every round of that video.

I've watched your stream, don't throw stones in glass houses.

[Lightning_Dolt]

Purp did just win states... lol