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Postby Tyrael » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:57 pm

I wouldn't say brainstorm is necessarily 'overpowered', it's just that other colors lack the utility that blue offers

I do indeed feel that the format is rather diverse, even though nearly every deck does play brainstorm and friends

I wouldn't be upset if wizards decides to ban it at one point though, even though they probably won't
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Postby LP, of the Fires » Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:00 pm

Ross paired against the worst BUG delver player in the world. Up 2-0.
Devon O'Donnell plays in a lot of events around here. He's a really nice guy, though yeah, he's certainly not looking good here right now.
To be fair to O'Donnell, he's in the same top 4 with Reid Duke and Tom Ross and thus obviously did ok for himself.

He certainly played horribly in the match, but that can largely be chalked up to matchup inexperience and/or nerves. It was horrible though.
You gotta understand, I love the beatdown. I really do. I always have.

Beatdown is hard, though.


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Postby LP, of the Fires » Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:01 pm

Legacy Sucks because agro isn't viable.

There, I said it.
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Postby Tyrael » Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:09 pm

Well, modern isn't that great of an environment for aggro either...
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Postby LP, of the Fires » Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:14 pm

I get to play affinity in modern.
You gotta understand, I love the beatdown. I really do. I always have.

Beatdown is hard, though.


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Postby Mcdonalds » Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:16 pm

Which is funny because literally every person I've met who plays that deck hates playing it

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Postby Khaospawn » Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:18 pm

I get to play with Goblin Guide. :shrug:
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Postby BlakLanner » Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:21 pm

I get to play with Goblin Guide. :shrug:
Pretty much this. It isn't a cakewalk but you can play aggressive in both Modern and Legacy.
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Postby rcwraspy » Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:21 pm

Legacy Sucks because agro isn't viable.

There, I said it.
Delver strategies are fun, though of course not "aggro." But you're typically the beatdown.

Is Merfolk still floating around somewhere on the fringes of playability in Legacy?
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Postby BlakLanner » Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:22 pm

Merfolk is viable but on the downswing with Miracles picking up.
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Postby Lightning_Dolt » Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:42 pm

Legacy and Modern suck. They only cater to certain kinds of players.

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Postby rcwraspy » Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:44 pm

Legacy and Modern suck. They only cater to certain kinds of players.
and what kind of player is that?
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Postby LP, of the Fires » Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:44 pm

Which is funny because literally every person I've met who plays that deck hates playing it
They must hate fun.

To play affinity, you have to enjoy decision making, embrace constant high risk/reward situations as they present themselves to you, and be ok with playing against hate cards frequently.

A pattern with my deck selection is that I tend to play decks that are very hateable. The reason for this is that most people tend to not test there postboard matchups and think there hate cards win the game. Either that, or they don't test vs. competent pilots. Most of the time the hate is either very beatable, or can be played around(or both).

You should NOT play affinity if you're:

1) risk averse.

2) weak at math

3) hate to
mulligan.
You gotta understand, I love the beatdown. I really do. I always have.

Beatdown is hard, though.


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Postby Mcdonalds » Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:52 pm

Most just don't like dealing with the hate cards, I'd imagine the first time someone goes in dry with a stony silence or someone goes "EOT Pestermite, untap, splintertwin?" when your on affinity, you simply want to punch a wall
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Postby Mcdonalds » Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:56 pm

Is Merfolk still floating around somewhere on the fringes of playability in Legacy?
It's okay, there is a build with maindeck Chalice of the voids and 4 cavern of souls that is supposedly real legit, although I feel BUG strategies simply crush that build

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Postby LP, of the Fires » Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:59 pm

Look at Greg Hatch's deck tech on merfolk from the invitational.

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Postby rcwraspy » Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:48 pm

somewhere there's a joke about playing against Reid Duke and not knowing how to "put up your dukes."
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Postby Tyrael » Sun Aug 31, 2014 10:20 pm

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Postby zemanjaski » Sun Aug 31, 2014 10:31 pm

The format changed and I reconsidered my position on a few cards. Overall, some of the changes were good, some were whatever. You have to make some radical concessions to beat UW Control.
you mean you were wrong about eidolon
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Postby zemanjaski » Sun Aug 31, 2014 10:33 pm

Any plans for a write up Z? Would love to hear your thoughts about the deck changes. I too have made my way to 4 eidolon in the SB however I am on two glares.

Was 8 4 mana spells an issue for you? I find myself really liking stoke, and have cut down on the WLH.

Congrats on 3rd, certainly a respectable finish, if only prize payouts supported it.
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Postby Kaitscralt » Sun Aug 31, 2014 10:33 pm

grats on third
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Postby Lightning_Dolt » Sun Aug 31, 2014 10:47 pm

Legacy and Modern suck. They only cater to certain kinds of players.
and what kind of player is that?
Players who enjoy playing blue or jund.

People who enjoy playing combo or control.

People who enjoy playing rock vs paper with no scissors.
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Postby Mcdonalds » Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:03 pm

Basically your mad you can't play mono red like you can in standard

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Postby Lightning_Dolt » Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:06 pm

No, I think it's a bad format when Aggro, Combo, control and midrange are not represented.

I think it's a bad format when you have to play a certain colour to be competitive.

I think it's a bad format when I am unable to find any decks I enjoy playing.

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Postby zemanjaski » Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:10 pm

grats on third
Thanks. Hopefully I can do better next time.
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Postby zemanjaski » Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:11 pm

Legacy is gas. BUG Delver all the way.
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Postby Lightning_Dolt » Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:14 pm

If you enjoy that sort of thing.

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Postby zemanjaski » Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:17 pm

There isn't really a reason for aggro to be viable in legacy really; control and tempo have access to all the cheapest interaction and the ever-present threat if combo means that you can't play goldfish decks. The aggro decks that do exist play a more complete game plan and are successful within that space.

No one should want mono red commons to be competitive in eternal formats.
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Postby Lightning_Dolt » Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:19 pm

Nice, new Sorin seems playable / sweet.

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Postby Khaospawn » Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:20 pm

Lightning Bolt is still Red. And a common.
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Postby Khaospawn » Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:21 pm

Actually, Rift Bolt, Lava Spike, Searing Blaze, Flame Rift, and Fireblast are Red commons too.
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Postby Khaospawn » Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:21 pm

I'm just gonna leave now.

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Postby zemanjaski » Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:22 pm

Reading comprehension is an uncommon though.
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Postby Lightning_Dolt » Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:22 pm

No one should want mono red commons to be competitive in eternal formats.
Mono red commons is not the only thing I enjoy. I like playing fair and interactive games.

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Postby Khaospawn » Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:22 pm

And common sense is a mythic rare.
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Postby Mcdonalds » Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:23 pm

No, I think it's a bad format when Aggro, Combo, control and midrange are not represented.

I think it's a bad format when you have to play a certain colour to be competitive.

I think it's a bad format when I am unable to find any decks I enjoy playing.
You realize that given Wizards largely designs set so combo ISN'T viable in standard, I guess every standard season since time spiral (ignoring post banning Zendikar-Scars) has been bad as well.

Thus, the only good format is edh

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Postby Lightning_Dolt » Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:24 pm

Deadguy Ale and Evagreen were the closest things to legacy decks I liked.

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Postby Khaospawn » Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:24 pm

No one should want mono red commons to be competitive in eternal formats.
Mono red commons is not the only thing I enjoy. I like playing fair and interactive games.
Keith....competitive Magic is most certainly not fair and interactive.
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