[Fedoras of Salvation] - White Knights ITT

[LP, of the Fires]

More along the lines of Mazes end is possible and it's reasonable to expect some crazy person to top 8 an event with mazes end spiking all the prices of those cards.

Kiora and Courser of Kruphix are a big game.

[Purp]

Courser is ok, problem is that you are inevitably going to verdict it away. Kiora is good though.

[Dechs Kaison]

I'd think Prophet of Kruphix would be most important. Lets you tutor on opponent's turn.

[Wraith223]

[quote="[url=viewtopic.php?p=182724#p182724:mp8i0nwe]Kaitscralt » Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:23 pm[/url:mp8i0nwe]":mp8i0nwe]Faeries was the best deck until BBE came along. Then it was just another deck. It thrived against Doran Rock and other Tarmogoyf decks, as well as against red aggro and combo.

Volcanic Fallout came shortly after, the nail in the coffin. They printed that card just to stop Faeries, to put things in perspective.[/quote:mp8i0nwe]

Yeah, Volcanic Fallout ended my use of Fairies. Illness in the Ranks will be a sideboard card finally.

@Freedom, Fairies was quite oppressive. It can lock out certain decks like Tron or decks that play at sorcery speed. It's almost annoying as Land destruction.

Has the rule on mana leaving the pool between turn phases changed cause that's what made Mystbind Clique mean.

[Stardust]

Faeries was the best deck until BBE came along. Then it was just another deck. It thrived against Doran Rock and other Tarmogoyf decks, as well as against red aggro and combo.

Volcanic Fallout came shortly after, the nail in the coffin. They printed that card just to stop Faeries, to put things in perspective.

Fallout came before BBE and didn't do much to stop the fae. It helped, but it wasn't enough by itself.

[Stardust]

Has the rule on mana leaving the pool between turn phases changed cause that's what made Mystbind Clique mean.

It did change, but in the wrong direction. Mana pools empty at the end of steps now whereas before it emptied at the end of phases (most phases only have one step anyway, so it's basically the same as ever).

[Dechs Kaison]

Faeries with Mistbind becomes most oppressive deck out there.

Omnath, Locus of Mana decks on the rise.

[Self Medicated]

Looks like I picked the wrong time to build a Modern deck.

[hamfactorial]

I don't think losing DRS is going to kill everyone's hopes and dreams, it just means that Jund gets a bit worse, Pod gets better (lulz, like it needed the help) and there's greater need for GY hate out of the sideboard.

[Kaitscralt]

Faeries was the best deck until BBE came along. Then it was just another deck. It thrived against Doran Rock and other Tarmogoyf decks, as well as against red aggro and combo.

Volcanic Fallout came shortly after, the nail in the coffin. They printed that card just to stop Faeries, to put things in perspective.

Fallout came before BBE and didn't do much to stop the fae. It helped, but it wasn't enough by itself.

Right, I had my sets backwards, happens a lot with my mind.

nAlara Reborn ushered in all sorts of decks, with Cascade and 5 Color Control pushing Faeries away. The meta shifted dramatically.

I stand by Faeries falling out of favor before then, though. Decks like Boat Brew were on top.

[Dechs Kaison]

Looks like I picked the wrong time to build a Modern deck.

Anytime is the wrong time to build a Modern deck.

[redthirst]

Anytime is a good time for pie.

[Dechs Kaison]

Anytime is a good time for the D.

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[redthirst]

Anytime is a good time for the D.

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nHey, you said it, not me.

Also, I notice that Platty Thanked that post - I have it on good authority that he is also a fan of the D.

[Dechs Kaison]

Well played.

[redthirst]

You should change your name to "Dicks Wantsom".

[Dechs Kaison]

Note to self: Don't mess with vindictive mods.

I mean, hey, it's better than MTGS mods, but only just.

[Kaitscralt]

Nothing is better than mtgs or it's mods

[redthirst]

Nothing is better than mtgs or it's mods

"it's mods"

Calculated Dechs trolling or happy accident?

[Valdarith]

I've been thinking about Maze's End for the past couple of days. It does seem pretty good now. I think you can afford to run one copy of each guildgate since you now have Kiora as an alternate wincon. If Nightveil Specter exiles one of your gates, just UNLEASH THE KRAKEN!!! That way you can be solidly in Bant colors for Detention Sphere, Supreme Verdict, Sphinx's Revelation, Urban Evolution, Kiora, Jace, etc. Throw in Elixir for potential milling of gates plus cycling your cards and you have a deck?

[rcwraspy]

I've been thinking about Maze's End for the past couple of days. It does seem pretty good now. I think you can afford to run one copy of each guildgate since you now have Kiora as an alternate wincon. If Nightveil Specter exiles one of your gates, just UNLEASH THE KRAKEN!!! That way you can be solidly in Bant colors for Detention Sphere, Supreme Verdict, Sphinx's Revelation, Urban Evolution, Kiora, Jace, etc. Throw in Elixir for potential milling of gates plus cycling your cards and you have a deck?

are you going to be able to protect Kiora well enough to do that though? I don't know, it's been beaten into me pretty well that you should never rely on a PW's ultimate.

[Dechs Kaison]

Nothing is better than mtgs or it's mods

"it's mods"

Calculated Dechs trolling or happy accident?

Hard to troll from the ignore list. At least, until some jackhole quotes it.

Yes. Its. At least she used the correct "than."

[Kaitscralt]

Nothing is better than mtgs or it's mods

"it's mods"

Calculated Dechs trolling or happy accident?

iPhone

[rcwraspy]

Nothing is better than mtgs or it's mods

"it's mods"

Calculated Dechs trolling or happy accident?

Hard to troll from the ignore list. At least, until some jackhole quotes it.

Yes. Its. At least she used the correct "than."

Its not easy to get it write. But than again I speak English good.

[Purp]

Jace is bad in Mazes End. Defend the Hearth will protect Kiora. Mazes end is all about using your fogs correctly, and understanding when it's better to fog or take damage.

[deck]Lands: 25
4 Maze's End
2 Azorius Guildgate
2 Dimir Guildgate
2 Golgari Guildgate
1 Gruul Guildgate
2 Izzet Guildgate
2 Orzhov Guildgate
1 Rakdos Guildgate
2 Selesnya Guildgate
2 Boros Guildgate
2 Simic Guildgate
1 Forest
2 Island

Instants: 18
4 Fog
4 Druid's Delieverance
4 Defend the Hearth
3 Riot Control
2 Sphinx's Rev
1 Cyclonic Rift


Sorcery/Ench: 14
4 Supreme Verdict
3 Detention Sphere
2 Urban Evolution
3 Divination
1 Merciless Eviction
1 Crackling Perimeter

Creatures: 3
3 Gatekeeper Vine[/deck]

Been running that all season and can easily 3-1/4-0 FNM. Came in 9th at States with it. Except at States i ran Saruli Gatekeeps instead of the vines.

[Dechs Kaison]

Its not easy to get it write. But than again I speak English good.

Trying too hard.

[rcwraspy]

Jace is bad in Mazes End. Defend the Hearth will protect Kiora. Mazes end is all about using your fogs correctly, and understanding when it's better to fog or take damage.

I guess my point was that the most popular deck in the format runs 4x Hero's Downfall and with the B/R scryland people now have access to 4x Downfall and 4x Dreadbore.

EDIT: I mean, we've always had ACCESS to it, just now more people will be combining those colors with the inclusion of the scryland.

[Kaitscralt]

You know I'm on my phone when all my sentences start with a capital letter

[redthirst]

Nothing is better than mtgs or it's mods

"it's mods"

Calculated Dechs trolling or happy accident?

Hard to troll from the ignore list. At least, until some jackhole quotes it.

Yes. Its. At least she used the
correct "than."

Its not easy to get it write. But than again I speak English good.

I see what you did they're.

[Dechs Kaison]

A buddy of mine likes to comfort me whenever I get upset about poor grammar.

He always says, "They're, their..."

[Valdarith]

That's the beauty though, wraspy. Kiora is the alternate wincon while doing exactly what the deck wants to do.

Purp, thoughts on one-of guildgates and more hard removal over fogs?

[Dechs Kaison]

It actually looks interesting, but what do you do about the Land Destruction in the format?

Oh. That's right. What Land Destruction?

[rcwraspy]

That's the beauty though, wraspy. Kiora is the alternate wincon while doing exactly what the deck wants to do.

Purp, thoughts on one-of guildgates and more hard removal over fogs?

Sorry, I'll fully state my thought process. I was leaving out bits and pieces.

You first posted about Nightveil Specter taking a 1-of Guildgate, and you wondered if that would be OK because you can rely on Kiora's ultimate. I would think that situation renders your primary win condition moot.

But that's also the deck that runs 4x Hero's Downfall, which kills Kiora without combat damage, which therefore can not be fog'd.

If B/r Devotion becomes a thing and still runs Nightveil, that will give the deck access to even more PW hate in the form of Dreadbore.

[Purp]

When I ran Maze's End at states, Ashiok was popular in the Esper builds at that time. With UB possibly being a strategy, more mill cards might see play. But if not, I think you could cut SOME of the guildgates to 1 ofs, the rakdos and orzohv one come to mind. I always thought negates or essences scatters wouldn't be terrible. I do think we need to find courser a home in the deck.

[redthirst]

[quote="[url=viewtopic.php?p=182815#p182815:2jke8tgp]Dechs Kaison » Mon Feb 03, 2014 4:05 pm[/url:2jke8tgp]":2jke8tgp][quote="[url=viewtopic.php?p=182808#p182808:2jke8tgp]redthirst » Mon Feb 03, 2014 3:56 pm[/url:2jke8tgp]":2jke8tgp][quote="[url=viewtopic.php?p=182803#p182803:2jke8tgp]Kaitscralt » Mon Feb 03, 2014 3:49 pm[/url:2jke8tgp]":2jke8tgp]Nothing is better than mtgs or it's mods[/quote:2jke8tgp]

"[i:2jke8tgp]it's[/i:2jke8tgp] mods"

Calculated Dechs trolling or happy accident?[/quote:2jke8tgp]

Hard to troll from the ignore list. At least, until some jackhole quotes it.

Yes. Its. At least she used the correct "than."[/quote:2jke8tgp]

You can ignore Admins? I just assumed that wasn't an option...

[Valdarith]

That's the beauty though, wraspy. Kiora is the alternate wincon while doing exactly what the deck wants to do.

Purp, thoughts on one-of guildgates and more hard removal over fogs?

Sorry, I'll fully state my thought process. I was leaving out bits and pieces.

You first posted about Nightveil Specter taking a 1-of Guildgate, and you wondered if that would be OK because you can rely on Kiora's ultimate. I would think that situation renders your primary win condition moot.

But that's also the deck that runs 4x Hero's Downfall, which kills Kiora without combat damage, which
therefore can not be fog'd.

If B/r Devotion becomes a thing and still runs Nightveil, that will give the deck access to even more PW hate in the form of Dreadbore.

If he takes a gate AND has all the things for Kiora, I'm willing to live with that. But that's why I'd consider an Elixir in the mainboard to shuffle cards back into the deck.

[Dechs Kaison]

This post was made by redthirst who is currently on your ignore list. Display this post.

Apparently works with mods, too.

[TubeHunter]

Did somebody say

[center]MAZE'S END[/center]

?
?

[rcwraspy]

Did somebody say

[center]MAZE'S END[/center]

?
?

reported for using mod color.

[hamfactorial]

Reported for considering Maze's End